This poetgirl on Instagram says some off the wall shit.

Some of these old bitches have totally lost their mind and just spread misinformation.

This is more than mildly infuriating for me but I wasn’t quite sure where else to post this lol.

    • Dozzi92@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 天前

      The first country to recognize the US was Morocco, an overwhelmingly Muslim nation then, and before then, and now. And for that long-lasting support, real Americans suggest they don’t belong here.

    • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 天前

      Personally I do think it should be required to post some amount of Islamic concepts. Among the many ways we are too provincial is seeing everything through the eyes of a single religion family. Even our friends and neighbors seem alien when we aren’t even aware there are other religions.

      Let’s require at least some comparative religion study, perhaps in social studies and history. The major religions have had a huge impact on the development of our societies and we should all be more familiar with beliefs held in common or u destined where they’re actually different (and not just the Fix News version)

      • andros_rex@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 天前

        Most states do require some comparative religion in high school history. I’ve taught it.

        Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and the Abrahamic faiths were in the curriculum. What was really fascinating was having a high schooler that had no idea what Christianity was. I live in the Bible Belt!

        But yeah, understanding things like the Five Pillars of Islam humanizes Muslims. Understanding why a classmate isn’t eating all day, knowing that Muslims are required to donate some to charity if they can…

        I think even some of the quasi Christian groups should be covered, but that’s a lot dicier. I don’t know if JW kids’ parents would want them to learn about the Great Disappointment, or Mormon families would approve of discussing Jo Smith’s child brides… (much less that official Mormon theology was that Native Americans would turn white if converted, or the best outcome for black folks was being a servant in the afterlife)

        • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 天前

          Why should that be it? Throw in Deism to understand the attitude of the US founders, then round out most of the population with Islam, Hindu, Jainism, and probably many more. You have to cover Judaism because of its influence on Christianity. And of course agnostics and atheism to round out the beliefs. You’ll never hit all the possibilities but perhaps it would be ok to cover families of beliefs, such as if native belief systems are similar (I have no idea and that’s a shame)

          • Glitterbomb@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            9 天前

            I meant that’s the only place it should be learned about, and not plastered on the wall. I’d gladly shove all the other fairy tales in there too

            • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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              9 天前

              Actual inter-religious comparative theology is probably even better for developing skeptical critical thinkers than not teaching people about religion at all. I would love to see schools adopt that sort of coursework.

              • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zipEnglish
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                7 天前

                We’ve had a marked drop in literacy and math skills in the last decade. We need to shore up those core skills before adding in any kind of social comparisons. The lack of understanding of nuance and context in text has directly led us to where we are in this country.

                • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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                  7 天前

                  I agree that those are huge issues. I guess in my opinion, philosophy courses like what I described tend to improve literacy and math skills by requiring you read and write deliberately, think about the nuances of words, and build logical, self-consistent arguments/statements.

    • scout10290@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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      9 天前

      Yes. I have served with some.

      Also, let’s not forget the interpreters we had that risked their lives to help us. Many we worked to bring back to the states. They are amazing people and I would choose any interpreter that I ever worked with over my own mom. My mom was horrible btw.

  • tartarin@reddthat.comEnglish
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    7 天前

    Whatever, the whole point is the religion shouldn’t be in schools in the first place. Get it out.

  • katy ✨@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    9 天前

    tell me you’ve never been to arlington national cemetary without telling me you’ve never been to arlington national cemetary

    • scout10290@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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      9 天前

      Ha true.

      But also I’ve never been and I fought in the early 2000s. I just lost too many buds and could never bring myself to go there. But family went and took pics and parents if my buddies sent me funeral DVDs that I still can’t bring myself to watch.

  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    8 天前

    I’m pretty sure there have been plenty of Jews, Muslims, Atheists, and others that have bled for the US too.

    • breecher@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      7 天前

      It is pointless to engage with that point of their argument, because the underlying premise that the 10 commandments are hung in the classroom on account of Christians dying for the US is even more wrong.

      So by entering the discussion about whether Muslims have fought and died for the US, they will imply that you have accepted their underlying premise. There is no good faith arguing with fascists.

  • ch00f@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 天前

    My mom once asked if my Jewish girlfriend celebrated Thanksgiving. When I scoffed, she reminded me that there weren’t any Jews on the Mayflower.

    I reminded her that there weren’t any Catholics either.

    • scout10290@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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      9 天前

      Nice. You gave her the burrrnn. Good job. We need to really start correcting much of this type of misinformation out there when people say it one day many many more will believe it.

      • squaresinger@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 天前

        It’s a fight against windmills. There’s a certain type of person who’s just totally resistant against learning new stuff. They got their opinion and that’s truth and screw everything else.

        You might correct one thing, but by the time you did that they already dug up three new pieces of garbage.

        It’s so frustrating.

        • ch00f@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          6 天前

          she once refused to back down on the fact that Jupiter doesn’t have a solid surface. Best I got was “I don’t know about that.”

  • kibiz0r@midwest.socialEnglish
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    9 天前

    Lots of folks in the US don’t really have an understanding of religion as a separate thing from nationality.

    They think of “being Christian” as “being like the other white people in my neighborhood growing up”. End of thought.

    So drinking beer, watching football, and hating taxes are all “Christian things” to them.

    So when they say “Christians — and only Christians — died for this country”, they’re 100% correct, according to their understanding of “being a Christian”. Cuz to them it basically just means “being an American”.

    There’s really no way to convince them otherwise. It’s like telling someone that Velcro is really called “hook and loop”.