I realize there’s no singular answer for this, but many of the MAGA crowd attribute many of our current woes to the prior administration, like cost of living, inflation, unemployment rates, etc.
I’d imagine that every day that passes and we get more and more distant from Biden’s presidency, it gets a bit harder to blame him for every problem.
e.g. It’d be hard to blame many of the increased prices on electronics on him, since much of this has been driven by Trump’s tariffs (but I bet someone will attempt to refute this!)
This is a long-winded way of me asking the community, have you seen any Trump fans start to come around at all? When do we start living in the conditions (good or bad) of Trump’s America and stop laying blame on the last administration?
I’m interested to see what people of all persuasions feel about this.
For myself, I have seen some minor loss of enthusiasm among Trump followers, but I haven’t seen anyone register as a Democrat yet :)
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I hear there’s a new conservative community in town: !conservative2@lemmy.today
The mod there doesn’t seem to cut Trump any slack. Still, not sure we needed another comm though.
LOL! The guy said the trade deal that was made between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico (USMCA) was done by an idiot and had to be re-done.
That was HIS DEAL! HE WROTE IT!!!
Did he take accountability? Of course not!
LOL! The guy said the trade deal that was made between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico (USMCA) was done by an idiot and had to be re-done.
That was HIS DEAL! HE WROTE IT!!!
Well, he’s not wrong…
LOL! True!
have you seen any Trump fans start to come around at all?
I have, but it’s not exactly common. And it doesn’t always change their minds entirely.
When he is forced to.
When other countries start invading?
I hope that happens soon.
The answer is ‘never’. If these people were capable of self reflection then Trump wouldn’t have a second term. That’s not how cults of personality work.
Once he bites the big one, we’ll start hearing horror stories from his flunkies that are no longer afraid to tell the truth, but it won’t amount to anything at that point, as MAGA still won’t believe any of it.
You just hope that all the self serving gremlins that gravitated towards Chief Cheeto spend the rest of their lives like adults that peaked in high school. Just trying to relive the glory days while slowly sliding into liver cirrhosis and amphetamine addiction while being ignored by their families
I’m 100% sure that’s true for some people, but I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump. I am really disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories, as they are beyond reason.
However, I’m interested in anyone that falls outside those categories, as those are the people whose minds can be changed.
Trump is a bold, unapologetic fascist. You need to accept this fact, or it will kill you. He will never take responsibility because that is not how fascism works.
disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories
I am also disinterested in the entire human race.
Don’t fall for the fallacy of binary thinking. A good way to oversimplify your opponents/enemies is to put them totally in another category from yourself. Life is rarely this simple. There’s a huge continuum of beliefs and behaviors that fall between these two belief systems.
I recall my acquaintance being surprised that I wasn’t for “open borders” even though I voted for Biden. The idea that one could have a belief that is independent of Trump and Biden had not occurred to him.
What’s 1 thing Trump has done that you agree with?
There are very, very few. I cited some cannabis policy above.
…you think people totally against Trump need to be more open to changing their minds?
I don’t see this happening, but let’s say he reverses course and renounces all his past decisions, steps down and the USA enters a new golden age. Should we be totally against that too? For any given position, I try to keep in mind what would have to happen to make me reverse that decision. If the answer is “nothing”, then I may be missing something, or maybe I am letting my personal prejudices get in the way of what could be a good outcome.
It’s often confusing when someone we really dislike does something we agree with, but it is a thing that can and will happen from time to time.
I look at this similarly to how I view my atheism. If a God were to appear and demonstrate all kinds of supernatural activity and capability, I think I’d have to renounce my atheism. I don’t think that’s likely to happen, but if it did, I do have a condition where I would reverse my belief.
Same thing with being anti-Trump. I am for now, but there are certain unlikely conditions that would make me reconsider that, should they occur.
I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump.
At this point you absolutely fucking can.
No, there are at least two other types:
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The uninformed. Keep in mind that the vast majority of people in the US are completely uninformed about any of this. I’ll regularly see posts by people who I think of as more or less intelligent and aware of world events who will nonetheless be completely in the dark about what Trump is up to.
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The propagandized. There are a ton of people for whom the anti-Democrat propaganda has worked, and who will “hold their nose” and vote against the person they’ve been told is a baby-killer or whatever. They don’t support Trump in everything he does, but they’d rather him than someone who wants to put political dissidents in a gulag. They don’t see the irony now, because the propaganda doesn’t tell them about CECOT.
I also am fully willing to believe that there are others who aren’t against or for him, but they definitely aren’t particularly loud.
anti-Democrat propaganda
Because Demcorats are immune to propaganda, right? BlueMAGA is no better at detecting propaganda as MAGA
I don’t know where you get the idea that that’s what I was saying here. I was talking about Trump supporters, and I don’t think many of them are Democrats.
Who said that?
Who said that?
The strawman.
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I have to really, really dig for this one, but Trump’s attitude re: cannabis is that it should be up to the states to decide, and has also been quoted as supporting medical cannabis. I think overall, this is a good move, not as good as it being Federally legal would be, but a step in the right direction.
It’s just the other 99.95% of the things that he does I don’t agree with. :)
I think being totally against a convicted felon rapist who is actively dismantling the protections that have been in the Construction for centuries and constantly finding ways to line his pocket is totally within reason.
He will take accountability at the same moment the Austrian mustache man too accountability for the holocaust. That is, he will go to the grave never taking accountability.
What, you think any of the stuff he said is expected by his base?
It was never about the stuff he said, it was about how you didn’t have an answer to it he couldn’t counter, so you lose and they win.
What you lose and they win about was never the issue, and there is no consequence to it beyond perhaps the opportunity of another argument they may have a harder time winning, but they know how to win arguments against you, so they’re not particularly worried.
Individuals with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) typically struggle significantly with taking genuine accountability for their actions and the impact they have on others.
It sounds like you just want to know at what arbitrary amount of time trump gets the blame for Biden’s failings, even though they are Biden’s failings.
There are some things that will always be the Biden admin’s fault, like the rampant inflation and price increases that lead to the current cost of living crisis. That inflation and those increases of prices across the board haven’t gone away, and likely never will. The only way they do is by absolutely massive deflation, or a depression in other words.
Something that cost $5 in 2021 should only cost $5.50 or so now if inflation didn’t go crazy, but instead it costs $8 because of the Biden admin. Trump can’t “fix” that. The only ways are a depression, which would be seen as a failure even though it’s what’s needed, or for real wages for every person in the country to skyrocket 30% more than inflation, without causing extreme inflation, which isn’t possible.
The tariffs are a risk, for sure - but the goal of them is to make things cheaper after a bit of short term pain as countries reduce their tariffs on US products to below where they were before to make the USA reduce their tariffs back to what they were, because the countries can’t survive without US exports. It’s a negotiating tactic, and it’s already worked with a lot of countries. The big one still in the air is China, but it’s showing good signs.
He seems to disagree that it can’t be fixed:
“Starting on Day 1, we will end inflation and make America affordable again,” he said at a campaign event in August.
https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-inflation-economy-biden-rcna192015
Inflation is currently at the lowest it has been since the first 2-3 months of Biden’s term.
In America and prettyuch worldwide. Inflation was a result of both Trump and Biden policies during covid and similar government policies worldwide. Not to mention, the pandemic itself. Trump didn’t get inflation under control. He’s risking a recurrence.woth tariffs.
I didn’t say that trump got it under control, just that it is under control now while it was out of control at almost all time highs during Biden’s term.
Ok, so lies by omission. If you’re playing semantics rather than good faith discussion at this point, it’s clear you don’t have a point to make.
I wish you the economy you voted for.
You came at me saying I said something I didn’t. You’re the one not having a good faith discussion.
He’ll never take accountability. He has to be held accountable, which will also never happen.
Donald Trump has not been held accountable by anyone since his father died. Even when he was convicted of felony paperwork violations, his punishment was to get elected President (again!).
He also raped someone and it was proven in a court of law.
Straight to the Oval Office!!!
Never.
He literally said “I think the good parts are the Trump economy, and the bad parts are the Biden economy.” Even the interviewer said nothing about it. If he ever sees accountability, it’ll be after a lot more suffering on our part.
The blame needs to be placed squarely on capitalism and not a specific person. It’s capitalism that’s fucking us, government is the legislative arm of capitalism. Edit sp
