MudMan

Hey, if extremely good, hassle-free emulation didn’t do it I wouldn’t hold my breath, but I guess more options can only help.

I am pretty sure that this honest leftist self-criticism thing is against online decency rules and I demand to see the manager.

Oh, I’m super onboard with it. I don’t collect old games for speculative purposes. Hell, I didn’t collect that one at all, I just bought it when it came out.

Well, there goes the market value of my launch edition of Fire Emblem Patth of Radiance (look it up, it’s no joke).

Honestly, given Nintendo’s scorched earth approach to third party emulation I’m not inclined to give them extra money on top of their base subscription for this. Double that for the choice of making visual improvements to backwards compatible games a paid upgrade.

Man, English is a mess.

I don’t know how you fix that problem, but I’ll admit that you do need some functional anti-cheat. Nobody wants to go back to the days of PC gaming being the wild west while consoles were nice and secure.

I wonder if in a world less focused on Windows some multiplayer games would just work on some secure container type of thing, or just have most of the gameplay run on server or something. There are definitely other solutions that wouldn’t rely on the Windows-specific crutches of the current implementations.

I heard they finally have official support. How well it works I don’t know. I haven’t tested it yet.

I think the assumption that people are going to have AMD hardware is a bit of an issue with this argument. Even with their current gen success they are under 10% of the market. That’s all good for committed Linux users who built their PCs with Linux compatibility in mind, but 90% of the desktop market (for gaming at least) is going to be repurposing a Windows device with a dedicated Nvidia GPU.

I think that’s fair. And for a whole bunch of device types, it’s obviously the default (and often only) option. I think Linux users get too stuck on desktop usage viability. Linux is best when tuned for specific hardware and function, not trying to be everything for everybody at the user level.

Hey, at least you’re honest about it.

I don’t shill for software, man. Not for free, anyway.

But, you know, I talk to enough people about tech stuff to know that Linux getting name dropped generates at most some brief flicker of recognition in like 95% of adults, not some half-remembered decades-old stereotypes. There just isn’t enough awareness to support misconception here. And some of the misconception isn’t that “mis” in the first place, for the standards of non-technical normies.

FWIW, I’d love a free, usable mainstream OS alternative to Apple and Microsoft. I don’t think Linux as currently designed is built to be that effectively, but it’d sure be nice if somebody figured it out. Someone that isn’t Google trying to open yet another revenue stream for ads.

Man, scale is such a hard thing to get intuitively.

I mean, yeah, Linus Sebastian has a huge following. It’s a huge following of self-selected nerds, though. Most people have no idea who he is. Wouldn’t even know what he’s talking about if you showed it to them.

And that was one thing that he did once. That mostly nobody cared about unless they are an active Linux fan. Which is itself a tiny niche.

Humans just have a hard time parsing when things are big or small, particularly if it’s things they are a part of. This is not stupidity, it’s just how human perception works. It works both ways, too. A lot of mondern media is about having these parasocial relationships with huge media personalities and thinking you’ve found some hidden gem only to find out that your grandma follows them already.

It’s not that we’re dumb as a species, it’s that we’ve created this ecosystem built specifically to exploit human perceptual limits for profit and now it’s all we have. It kinda sucks.

Sorry, I went places there, but this whole thread (and honestly, the entire Lemmy linux community) makes me think about this constantly.

You’d think, but at least in my Manjaro install I had the exact same, if not a bit worse, of an experience trying to share an exFAT drive than a NTFS drive. I don’t recommend it either way.

I definitely play enough games without full Linux support that I wouldn’t have switched fully, even if I didn’t need Windows for work. The anticheat issues are one thing, but with a high end Nvidia card I found a bunch of proprietary features either didn’t work or underperformed compared to Windows. Mix that with a HDR, VRR display and it was a bit of a mess.

Linux was snappier for desktop office work most of the time, though.

Hosting the games on NTFS and loading them into Steam from there under Linux is possible. It is inconsistent and a hasssle, though.

I will say the setup the OP suggests is totally doable, but when I’ve had it that way it turned out to be easier to just do everything else on Windows than to flip back and forth, so after I updated some hardware I haven’t been on a hurry to set up Linux again.

I’d say it’s more convenient to do this long term if you have two PCs. Maybe a laptop for Linux work and a desktop with a powerful GPU for gaming. Being able to have both on sleep and quickly switching back and forth is less likely to make you (well, me, at least) lazy than having to reboot each time.

I don’t think they expect gaming on Linux to be anything. I don’t think they consider gaming on Linux at all.

Here’s my alternative proposal for their thought process:

“Linux?”

Alternately “I wonder what’s for dinner”.

People really overestimate how top of mind Linux is for the average Windows user.

Wait, which of these Windows users are aware enough of Linux to have a formed expectation of Steam working under it or not? Like, they don’t know enough to understand what it is, but they’re super concerned that Steam, of all things, won’t run on it?

Are these Very Real Windows Users from Canada? Did they approach the poster with tears in their eyes?

whipers ominously

Double decker tape recorders.

Sure, but it doesn’t take as much to keep doing it as it does to figure it out the first time, and both are way beyond moose level.

Plus you don’t have to be great at it. We sucked at figuring out why you can’t just keep doing underground potato in the same place forever and our first few millenia of attempts to solve it were mostly just throwing random crap in there with potato.

Which, incidentally is about as much intelligence as it takes to “make a difference”. Anon is here assuming you need an engineering degree to outsurvive a moose, when all it takes is “hey, if put bad potato underground many good potato come up later”.

And just to be clear, the “hype” works more or less the same way when it’s leftie nerds cheering the drops than when it’s cultists cheering the increases.

Which is probably why people weren’t acknowledging that despite the huge drops they were still up year on year.

Not what I’m saying. I’m saying that a) copy pasting into the terminal isn’t the horrifying breakdown of usability Linux advocates seem to believe it is, and b) there are more pressing issues about how often you need to troubleshoot something in the first place.

On both Linux and Windows it’s relatively rare to have to reinstall a driver in the first place because both are able to pick up your hardware, set themselves up and keep themselves updated with minimal user intervention.

The real problem isn’t whether fixing the exceptions to that involves typing. The real problem is how often there are exceptions to that. In Linux it’s way more likely that the natural process of setting something up or customizing something will require some fiddling, while Windows is more likely to make you install some bloatware or not give you much choice, but most likely will get things working for you the way it wants them to work.

That is very much a user-friendly approach, despite its annoyances. The problem isn’t that there is a command line interface, the problem is that it’s littered in the middle of doing relatively frequent, trivial things. On purpose, even.