Serious answers only. For over a year I was told that trump “doesn’t have anything to do with that”.

I honestly need to know from an actual Republican who believed trumps words and is now witnessing p2025 almost hit 50% completion with the department of education getting dismantled.

And with that; how do these people feel that public schools, daycare centers and tech schools all going to cost 3-6x as much as it does now for tuition?

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    Like it’s their third rail of blow and their homie just picked up another ounce.

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    You were lied to, unfortunately. Project 2025 was always their plan, and as you’re seeing now, they’re going full steam ahead with it. The best thing you can do now is learn from this mistake. Don’t trust what politicians tell you they want, or tell you they’re doing; see for yourself what they’re actually doing.

    By the way, you’re going to get responses from like 95% leftists since it’s lemmy. Doesn’t mean they’re wrong though.

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    they’re not going to “snap out of it”. what he does for them isn’t the point. he could personally fire each and every Republican and fuck every one of their wives but as long as he’s a big tough guy triggering the libz, it’s all fine. this is just 21st century politics now.

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      Dang. At least in Black Mirror 21st century politics got to be shadow-ruled by an animated blue dog puppet, which took a modicum of the edge off the oppression.

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        I remember finding that episode annoying when it first came out.

        I watched it again after 2016, and boy did I view it differently.

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    Do you think that Project 2025 isn’t what a bunch of conservatives want? It didn’t just come from one person. A bunch of people wanted to vote for this.

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      ive known about it and who wrote it when it first showed up online. i know its a hardcore Christian conversion of the USA and i see it as the US turning into some sort of north korea

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    Project 2025 is the most double talky I’ve ever seen Donald Trump. “Project 2025? Nope, never seen it, never heard of anything in it, but it’s got some great ideas. I’m not going to follow it and I don’t have anything to do with it but I hear it has some really good ideas, but I won’t be adhering to them.”

    Reminds me of the “Unite The Right” rally where he wouldn’t really condemn anyone: “Those folks are really nasty, but also there’s a lot of good folks.”

    I think this is part of his “charm”. He double talks, so if you are a fan you perk up on the positives and let your eyes glass over during the bad parts.

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      this was actually a key part of Hitler’s strategy. early on in the Nazi meetings they would try to pin down and give an exact agenda and set of policies.

      he would yell at everyone that they’re missing the point. it’s more about the vibe than the logic. being vague and ambiguous keeps your options open.

      “It is not truth that matters, but victory.” Adolph

      By refusing precise definitions, you are able to retroactively decide what the ideology “always meant”. so when it’s convenient to hate against health insurance CEOs you are “against the swamp”. when it’s convenient to dismantle the government you are “against the swamp”

      it can mean whatever you want it to. similar with the “enemies of the state”

      nazis would use the word marxists or “degenerates” very loosely. makes it very easy to shift blame to a specific target or another when necessary

      berlin’s degeneracy is because of gays, somewhere else it may be gypsies, another it’s the jews, etc.

      today we see phrases like “radical leftists” “cultural marxists” “woke ideology” etc

      a federal judge blocked some of Trump’s orders (Trump ignored it of course) and what does he call him? a radical left judge. something that couldn’t be further from the truth- radical left would imply some type of communist or socialist. but it doesn’t really matter because the term is vague enough it can work

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    I don’t know anything about it. What is it? I guess it’s got some good stuff in. But I wouldn’t endorse it. Whatever it is.

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    The person i was talking to about it said that he doesn’t want Project 2025 put in place, but also voted Trump and (as you said) said Trump “doesn’t have anything to do with that”.

    When I went to talk to them again after the election, he had either deleted his account or blocked me after I ask about Trump appointing many involved with Project 2025.

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      Trump knows that his supporters are going to turn on him eventually, which is why he’s working so hard to set up an infrastructure that can crush opposition without due process. He’s also testing the waters about ignoring court orders.

      If the supreme court lets him use the AEA then that means the president can use war-time statutes without Congress needing to declare a war, which means that he’ll be able to use a different statute to deploy the military on US territory. At that point, US democracy is officially over.

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      Wait till they officially start calling for a constitutional amendments and they suddenly start losing some of their own rights. But by then who knows what it’s gonna look like.

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      You can tell it’s hitting, every repub that was loud af about trump this trump that good idea this good idea that. The only thing I’ve heard lately is the CRT stuff that they just don’t understand because they’re unable to see anything from anyone else’s perspective and one of their buddies kids asked their parents about the racist comments they were making and if they were racist.

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    I don’t know any republicans personally but I would not be surprised if, given a choice between admitting fault and feeling bad, or literally any other option including lying or violence, they won’t admit fault. If they weren’t emotionally stunted, they wouldn’t be conservatives.

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      Humans in general are very hesitant to admit that they were wrong. Cult members doubly so.

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        It’s so unfortunate too, because so many of our society’s current ills can literally be boiled down to “so and so refused to admit they were wrong”

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          Yeah I realized admitting fault is kind of a power move. You can just be like “oh! I was wrong. Woops” and what might have been a like hour long argument about some unimportant minutia instead just wraps up. Nothing bad happens.

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      This is why blaming conservatives or getting them to admit fault doesn’t work. It only makes them become more defensive and entrenched.

      A better approach is to appeal to their victim complex. IE: Instead of “Trump is ruining this country and its your fault for voting for him!” try “Dude, Trump is screwing us! This isn’t the great America we were promised!” or some variation of that. Gotta use different tactics.

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        I’m not sure it’s possible to blame Trump rather than his voters when he literally promised to make most of these changes. It might be more effective to say that Trump was misled by Musk.

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        Yeah, you have to make them see you as a member of a shared in-group. That’s the most important thing to them (and many people, honestly. we’re all susceptible to tribalism and such)

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      I have literally stopped speaking to my parents over this and have put the ball in their court, telling them that all they need to do is re-evaluate their position about this one fucking guy and admit they were wrong.

      And I guess they’re fine with just not speaking to their son instead.

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    At this point, I don’t know why Republicans don’t outright just say they want people who they see as less than them suffering and/or dead. That’s their only consistent political view.

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    Please insert face in designated slot; the next available leopard will feast on it momentarily.

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      Pretty much. Somethings are going to be the same, they’re just that obvious, the sky is blue, water is wet, and we should deport illegal immigrants. But a lot of p25 goes well beyond that.

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      I just meant like no “Kamala Harris genocide derrererre” comments or someone changing the subject because libs

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        You’re not gonna get an answer here. Try asking on a random Instagram APNews thread. Most of the answers you’ll get are from bots, but Republicans are taught to parrot whatever they say, so it’s basically the same thing