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ICEGestapo agents, more likely.If those soldiers and cops are there solely at the behest of s despot like the current one in office then they are expendable
If it comes to the point where the government is so bad that civilians have to fight against it, then the soldiers and police officers should join them.
That would be nice, wouldn’t it ? unfortunately cops are lawful evil, meaning they gave allegiance to DAS KAPITAL
Most will not. Look at history.
I said “should”
Yea, so here’s the thing bud, those guys are there to protect the capital owners… Sorry. Pete’s right about their inclusion however not accepting if they fail to stand down then they should go too.
Leftists with guns: this is fine
To answer Pete Buttigeg:
That’s the point! We’re not Benjamin Netanyahu who enjoys targeting everyone but soldiers and police officers.
You know those Russian soldiers dropped their weapons during the October revolution.
If American soldoers are wise, they’d do the same.The “don’t step on me” people who talk about the right to bear arms often celebrate the police and the military
Well that sounds like more people need to bear arms.
He thinks he’s talking to conservatives, playing on their “thin blue line” sympathies. But like every other rank-and-file Democrat, he has failed to read the fucking room. The right-wing in America showed us on January 6th 2021 that their support of law enforcement is purely conditional, and will be revoked the minute they don’t get their way. And the Left? We always hated cops.
His message reached zero people.
Yeah no shit buddy. It’s come to that point. I like you Pete, but don’t bury your head in the sand on this one. American soldiers defend fascism.
I like you Pete
Why, though? He’s a Neoliberal proponent of Reaganomics Lite and McKinsey grad (but I repeat myself) who keeps failing upwards.
Nah, every time pete pops up it’s something stupid that makes me like him less and less.
They’re talking about how this tweet is from 2018. Different situation then.
Maybe because he would be a fairly normal right wing figure in another country?
2018 was a different time
No, we knew it was fascism then too.
No it wasn’t. Hell, it was even 2 years into the first Trump term.
Do you think he would say anything different now?
I think his audience has shifted
In what ways?
What has Pete done to make you believe he is going after an audience that would disagree with this statement and/or that he would now disagree with this statement?
Your initial comment was that “2018 was a different time” I’m trying to understand what you think has changed so drastically since then.
I think a lot of people stopped listening to the rad libs like Maddow and became disaffected from the Democrats since then. those folks are (at least around me) engaging in more radical acts of resistance than the marching-and-shouting that dominated the public actions of that time. so while buttegieg probably hasn’t shifted much, and might think he’s still talking to those same people, many of them are no longer listening.
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He’s right, you know. If you own an AR you shouldn’t slack on practice. Go to the gun range regularly. Train how to clean and maintain it. You may one day be facing people who are well trained.
At the end of the day it’s almost always tactics and physical readiness and not weapons systems. You can buy an apprentice the very best carpentry tools, but they aren’t going to turn out anything amazing unless they practice in repetition.
Exactly. Above all real world combat experience cannot be trained. Nobody can predict how you react when under fire, at least that was my impression in Charikar province, Afghanistan in ca. 2004. Knowing the basics will definitely be helpful though.
Yep, it’s a blend of instinct, experience, and preparedness. Only one of those is something you have any control over. Better max that one out.
I’d love to see some reports of “gun toting Americans” blasting the shit out of ICE agents. The problem is ice agents and gun toting Americans are the same group.
I have noticed that ICE usually wants to conduct their splashy raids in areas with very low gun ownership, e.g., NYC, Boston, etc.
We’re not all in the same group… I’m not an ICE agent, but I am a gun toting
Americanworking class person.that’s a fucking lie. there’s plenty of armed leftists. not enough (yet) but plenty.
join us. there is no other way to stop the dystopia from spreading.
Of course this is what it means. The people who wrote down this existing right had done the same to their equivalents. It’s not a fantasy.
Democrats will happily disarm everyone and hand the keys to the nation to the Republicans. The recent exhaltation of David Hogg in the party is proof. Not even January 6th 2021 will change their minds, they will never stop on their anti gun crusade.
The justice system is not meant to protect us as we can all plainly see. We are on our own.
Democrats will happily disarm everyone and hand the keys to the nation to the Republicans.
Even today when the Republicans are years-deep into proving that all the worst things we’ve ever suspected about them and their motives are true (and more) folks are still more worried D wants to come take their guns away.
R is literally dismantling our government and trampling the rights of an ever-growing segment of our population, on a speed run to authoritarianism, but folks are still yelling about that tired bogeyman instead of using the 2A as they have always claimed they can’t wait to do. (Edited to add: And I’m not even suggesting anything super dramatic. A few folks open carrying would probably be enough. You know, like all the magas that camped outside of polling places with their AR for purposes that were 100% not voter intimidation.)
You will scream about how Dems want your guns all the way up until the brownshirts show up to take them. The fuck is wrong with some of you?
Nobody defended the Republicans, in fact the premise of the comment you are replying to is about how bad the Republicans are and how they need to be resisted.
How do you plan on resisting once you’ve been disarmed? Just vote out fascism? …Yeah that’s always worked.
The only reason you would want to be disarmed, is so that you have an excuse for your passivity.
Nobody defended the Republicans,
I didn’t suggest they did.
How do you plan on resisting once you’ve been disarmed? Just vote out fascism? …Yeah that’s always worked.
You seem to be arguing against a point I haven’t made.
The only reason you would want to be disarmed, is so that you have an excuse for your passivity.
You seem to be arguing against a point I haven’t made.
But you are really committed to fearing that decades old bogeyman more than the wolf at your door it seems.
For all those reasons you named, are exactly the reasons I don’t want Dems curtailing the right to keep and bear arms.
Notice ICE focusing on low gun ownership regions?
There is no gap differences between the managerial class of the American empire, they are in solidarity against you.
That doesn’t change my point whatsoever, even if I agreed with your characterization of the parties, which I do not.
Yeah if dems dropped gun I expect more wins but you know dnc. They dont want guns cause they already keep trying to shoot its own limbs off as it is.
The DNC is bought and paid for by oligarchs. Almost all of the richest US billionaires lean Democrat. Musk is an anomaly, and look how he’s been targeted. I’m not saying it’s entirely unmerited.
So of course the oligarchs want the working class disarmed. And they don’t want populist candidates who want to improve people’s lives and cut into profits which is why the Democrats haven’t had a real primary in awhile.
The oligarchs also fund republicans hoping to control them the same way, but Trump got elected anyway. You might actually hate him 20% less if the bought corporate media hadn’t been weaponized against him. A lot of his positions were Democrat positions twenty years ago. Hillary had some crazy “deport the illegals” quotes back in the day.
Really wish I could say you are wrong but here we are.
Where does ICE fall in this paradigm?
Target practice.
Well, the gun would certainly improve my chances in the battle against fascist cops and soldiers. Political resistance is proving to be a failure. The Dems are already thinking that Kamala (proven failure) is our best chance against Trump 3.0 in 2028. No third-party will be viable by that date.
political resistance includes strikes, protests and mutual aid. oh and also guns when (because its just a matter of when in the us) it comes time for it. libs are just doing it aimlessly, start listening to the socialists and you won’t even need to elect anyone to get shit done.
also its cute that some people think you are likely to see another election in 2028.
and proselitizing. don’t forget proselitizing. if possible go to squares and city centers, perhaps with a small table or tent, lots of pamphlets and some good will to explain.
or talk to libs on the internet, since its equivalent in many ways to city squares 😉
but yeah, it isn’t a substitute for working IRL.
This is only a problem because Americans continue to support Democrats. Unfortunately, we need to be even more clear that their corrupt and ineffectual politics are no longer desired than we did in ‘24, because the bozos are pretending they didn’t get the message. The corporate Dems work tirelessly to enable disastrous Republican policies all the time, usually at the behest of their common donors - they should just stop the charade and switch parties.
In the meantime, there are efforts to get leftist 3rd parties off the ground. This Is our only hope to “vote” our way out of fascism, and yes, I’m aware it’s a minuscule chance of success. People typically don’t vote their way out of fascism, historically speaking.
Waiting for people to wake up. At this point I am not sure they will.
It took me a moment to realize it was about AR as in AR-15 the gun and not augmented reality
It would be cool to see an arrow with a pig emoji pointing at police out of uniform.
Oh yeah the very nice police force that has absolutely not been systematically trained to shoot first and ask questions later when things go south?
