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      Like all the posing with ICE? Or using drastically more expensive ways to deport only to have lower numbers? Or is it all about getting rid of people that “aren’t like me” illegally and unethically?

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    The most heavily armed country in the world is run by someone with the emotional intelligence of a rhubarb and a cohort of sycophants. This is gonna bode well.

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    The MAGA-sect comments are really frightening. Big resemblance to the Waffen-SS supporters like back in the day.

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      The boomers are dying off.

      They’ve decided to go after the edge lord young men for their next voter base.

      Unfortunately it appears to be working.

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      This is what they want. See, Trump is utterly destroying America’s economy and nucleus of global hegemony. The people are in for increasingly tough circumstances as China just stops trading with America, and all previous allies start to shun the country. Trump is trying to grow the US military to start his fascist wars of conquest both south and north. This will also put the people in increasingly dire circumstances, both with the massive amount of death involved in such a conflict and in the mass reallocation of resources towards war efforts. He can’t talk about those things openly to the people because he’d have to admit their lives are going to get significantly worse. So, what can he do instead?

      He can do the same thing he’s been doing the entire time. Build a fervore for ethnic cleansing and eugencist racialist politics. The people are trained to lap it up without even thinking, and they get genuinely itchy for their next fix. Who’s the minority we’re hating today? Who’s the person of color we’re going to commit vile acts of cruelty on today? Where do I direct my homicidal rage at the threat to my inherent superiority today? This is how they are. Every single day, Fox News, Twitter, and the White House all come together to deliver. They fill the bowl, and the bigots heads are down gorging themselves on it while their own lives are horrifically torn apart around them.

      It doesn’t matter what else he’s doing. He’s fighting DEI. He’s putting black people and women in their place. He’s making immigrants, muslims, jews, and the queers afraid again. His support base is unyielding. We know they will never yield because fascists never do. Even decades after the end of World War 2, many former SS and former Nazi supporters STILL thought Hitler was sent from God and that everything he did was right. Even as Soviet bombs were falling on their heads. The ardent supporters of fascism will support it literally until they die. They loved that Hitler was committing genocide. They loved that he was cruel and inhuman. They admired how the image he portrayed so neatly fit with their patriarchal worldview. Its why they supported him to begin with. Economy this, nationalism that, but down to the line it was all about cruelty.

      Are the people who support these kinds of tweets petty and childish? Absolutely they are. This isn’t even about pettiness though. This is what they voted for. They voted for people of color to suffer. They voted for immigrants to suffer. If it came out tomorrow that he died in that hellhole they’d all cheer.

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      Childish and petty? Or “winning”?

      I feel like a corner piece of the puzzle of MAGA is feeling like some how sending a brown Maryland father to El Salvador makes them feel better about their shitty lives. It’s a superiority thing.

      And some how Trump and Fox News have convinced them that they share in the victories of guys like Mush and Trump enriching themselves.

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        If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.

        • Lyndon Johnson
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      They’re actually not.

      A lot of them are, and definitely the ones online 24/7.

      But trump having the actual official White House communicate like this does add up and will hurt Republican votes.

      trump isoving to fast and it’s what’s gonna end up stopping it. It’s why I hate when people act like trump is the problem, if he died today Vance takes over and they do the same evil shit, just smarter about it

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        While not the problem, Trump is still a problem. Vance doesn’t command the loyalty of the cult in the same way that Trump does. His closest successor in that regard is Musk.

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          If trump dies in office he doesn’t have to have cult backing.

          But he is more conservative than HW, and HW got the win after Reagan.

          Vance was groomed to lead this movement he even got set up with his wife by the “Tiger Mom” at Yale and then she got the wife SC clerkships.

          People are underestimating Vance just like they did trump

          Hillary pushed him to run because she thought he’d be the worst, and it backfired spectacularly. Don’t assume Vance can’t grab the reigns when crazier shit is literally happening as I type this.

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            Vance was groomed to lead this movement

            If you want some fun tin-foil conspiracy thing, there’s one I heard that I both find entirely plausible AND actually believe.

            Basically, when (not an if) Trump dies or is otherwise removed, Vance will come out as the ‘We’ve had a hard time, what with our last president being a batshit insane rot brained moron. I’m going to undo the worst of his decisions, and get MAGA back on Track’.

            And presto, we now have moved to the competent dear leader part of this whole play, and everyone from creepy neocons to the bleeding heart-ist liberals will applaud and say what a lovely thing this is, and all this change is good!

            Except it’s the same shit, just sane washed, because it’s not hard to be LESS insane than the Tangerine.

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      I think they mean Garcia isn’t coming back, not the Senator.

      As is evident in damn near every Trump social media post, they’re not big on things like clarity in writing, grammar, proper use of capitalization, correct punctuation or things as simple as a fucking paragraph.

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    The first word I’d remove is “Deported”. Reporters, editors, citizens should stop using the crimebosses’ lingo & framing. Mr. Abrego García is a (noncriminal) US resident. He wasn’t deported. He’s not Salvadoreño. He’s a first-generation American, #ABDUCTED by thugs, #TRAFFICKED by armed mercenaries, to a FOREIGN #tortureprison for profit, #slavery, #disinfo and #disruption.

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      Republicans and the Conservative Propaganda Machine has controlled the narrative in this country, political and otherwise, and your post is a perfect demonstration of it.

      If Dems ever want to regain power, they need to learn how to counter the MAGA lies, and promote their own message loudly and clearly, and stop letting the Conservative Propaganda Machine define EVERYTHING.

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        If Dems ever want to regain power, they need to learn how to counter the MAGA lies,…

        Nope. This will never end under the regular rules. This is going to take violence and things on fire to stop.

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          I agree with you, but during the Civil War, the Dems are also going to have to have a dominant message to counter the Conservative Propaganda Machine, which is extremely mature at this point. They can’t win with just one or the other, its going to take both, and probably a whole lot more as well.

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      https://www.britannica.com/question/What-major-events-took-place-during-the-Reign-of-Terror

      Laws were passed that defined those who should be arrested as counterrevolutionaries, and committees of surveillance were set up to identify suspects and issue arrest warrants. Later laws suspended the rights of suspects to both legal assistance and public trials and mandated execution of all those who were found guilty.

      Please do not romanticise such a horrendous period. If you hate McCarthyism, then you should absolutely despise this one.

      Being labeled as the enemy during a revolution often means prison / torture / death, even if you’re innocent !

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    Let’s do some fact checking.

    THEY said he was wrongly deported. Repeatedly. And refused to do anything about it.

    Our jackass Attorney General shared a link recently that said he had “no criminal background” and there’s been no actual evidence that shows he was in MS-13.

    And while I’m not sure of his technical, official status, I would say somebody who was allowed to stay in the United States by a judge because of dangers back home, isn’t consider an illegal alien any more, but a political refugee who has asylum in our country.

    You have to wonder if this whole thing is just a petty attempt at retribution by Trump, because this guy was allowed to stay in the country the first time.

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      You have to wonder if this whole thing is just a petty attempt at retribution by Trump, because this guy was allowed to stay in the country the first time.

      I think it’s simpler than that. Bringing him back would show they did something wrong, and that’s obviously impossible, because he’s the second coming of Prosperity Gospel Jesus.

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          Yes. Fascism is about normalizing treating outsiders as non-human. To do this you expand your crimes step by step. Justifying and normalizing each step. And you don’t have to do it for long. You just move onto the next worse thing quickly.

          There was a really good, almost poetic, video that covered this just as Trump took office. It’s been a good reminder for me to keep my compass and perspective.

          https://youtu.be/0YFdwfNh5vs

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          It would also mean we’d have a witness able to report on the prison’s conditions. And the administration can say he’s lying, but when there’s no other source of information about it, people are going to hear him out.

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      His official status wasn’t asylum per se, but his status was he could be deported ANYWHERE BUT EL SALVADOR if the courts deemed fit. Which he was not deported through the courts, and they sent him to El fucking Salvador, the one place it would be illegal to send him to.

      This whole situation has me so pissed off, this country sucks.

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      Don’t attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. They didn’t mean for this to happen. It was a complete accident. But not everyone working for the white house was aware the country is trans and now identifies as a dictatorship. Dictators don’t make mistakes, so reality must be retconned to support the dictator’s decisions. Their initial messaging was inconsistent, but they’re all on the same page now: the deportation was legal and justified and anyone who says otherwise will be deported.

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        They didn’t mean for this to happen.

        Like hell. Especially since they’re taking openly about kidnapping citizens and political opponents and sending them to the same fate.

        The only incompetence was not having their messaging figured out beforehand.

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      It’s even worse than that: he’s testing the boundaries.

      He’s testing if he can get away with deporting an innocent man. He’s testing if he can ignore the Supreme Court without consequences. He’s testing if the Salvadorian president will stand firm and be his good little concentration camp boy.

      If they are successful, it means they can imprison ANYONE they want to.

      If they are successful, our Bill of Rights is about to come crashing down.

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        If they are successful, our Bill of Rights has come crashing down. Past tense!

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      He has a legal status similar to refugee, but not technically the same because he didn’t apply for asylum within a year of entering.

      So yeah, not an illegal alien. Legal resident.

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        To get more technical, he had the kind of residency that has a higher standard than being an asylum seeker that prohibits them from being deported to the country they are from.

        El Salvador was the ONLY place he was not allowed to be deported to.

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    They’re throwing Trump supporters a mental gymnastics buoy they can hold onto in this horrible situation that clearly makes Trump look bad. They just want something to believe in that doesn’t conflict with their current political views. They don’t care if it is true or not.