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guix pull . . . . guix upgrade
until a pacman update breaks your system because you didn’t read the release notes telling you it needed manual intervention beforehand 🤣
Been using Arch since 2019, that has never happened to me. Apparently it’s all about the device behind the keyboard, not about pacman. 🤣
Every time there’s been need for manual intervention the update just fails, I check the news to do the thing, then update as usual
I use informant which in theory fixed this but even then there is an issue on it about some things happening earlier in pacman than the transaction hook it uses so… Bleh. This shit needs to be built into pacman itself, seriously.
That’s happened like once in the last 3 years and the notice was right in pacman before you accepted.
And that’s why I don’t use PPAs, but you do you, I guess…
Yep. I’m on Debian for many years now. Every broken update I can recall was either caused by an undocumented PPA or nvidia drivers (which have finally been fixed, for my card at least)
why does Ubuntu even use ppas
And yet I’ve never had an apt upgrade break my whole system.
Yeah, maybe I’m just not smart enough but I always have the best luck with Debian/Ubuntu style distros. I’m glad Arch users are happy with Arch, it just doesn’t work for me
sudo dpkg --configure -a
my beloved
Agreed. I ran a system upgrade at home and then went to a coffee shop. My machine didn’t boot at the coffee shop. I installed Fedora instead of doing what I had gone there to do
Define ‘Break’… /j
Unable to boot after the update. That’s happened to me multiple times with pacman, so I eventually switched to Fedora.
Jokes on you, this happened to me on fedora with an nvidia gpu.
@hperrin@lemmy.ca Interesting, how?
On artix I update system and nothing breake my system.This is a recent example of a problem that required manual intervention or the system would not boot after updates. This happens every now and then on arch, it’s why you should check arch news before updating.
For me it was that it said “forcing this upgrade may break your system, do you want to force the upgrade?”
And I was like “yeah, fuck it”, then installed mint after my system didn’t come back up (it was time for my annual re-install anyway)
No idea. I updated it, and then it wouldn’t boot. So, I reinstalled.
You must be very lucky then. I’ve seen it happen so many times.
Why -Syyu and not -Syu?
Debian users:
What do you mean by PPA?
Also:
apt-getis intended as low-level APT interface for scripts, just useaptinstead. I get why people are confused nowadays, because APT documentation is terrible.apt-getis intended as low-level APT interface for scriptsAh, that’s what they call it now.
I wonder to what they degraded dpkg then?
I thought apt-get was a transitional command made so that the devs could make a breaking change, but now that that is done, its no longer needed
Shouldn’t
updatecome beforeupgrade?Yup
God this is the one thing I just hate about Ubuntu. I just avoid ppas now
sudo emerge -avuDN world
sudo emerge -avuDUg world
–changed-use, -U:
- Tells emerge to include installed packages where USE flags have changed since installation. This option also implies the –selective option. Unlike –newuse, the –changed-use option does not trigger reinstallation when flags that the user has not enabled are added or removed.
–getbinpkg [ y | n ], -g:
- Using the server and location defined in PORTAGE_BINHOST (see make.conf(5)), portage will download the information from each binary package found and it will use that information to help build the dependency list. This option implies -k. (Use -gK for binary-only merging.)
Yeah, I used to use -U but I prefer -N personally. I like the system to be consistent with what it would be from a fresh build.
Using Debian as my main laptop distro, I am usually an arch user but figured with it being a light weight laptop I wouldn’t need arch, its been fine but installing updates can be frustrating, after a few weeks gnomes appstore breaks, then I need to use terminal to apt update, apt --fix-broken install.
Which Debian distribution are you using, stable, testing, unstable?
I take care of a couple machines for family members. Those have Debian stable with automatic update (unattended-upgrade). I can’t recall the system or packages ever breaking. At most users are a bit confused when an update change the UI a bit.
Sticking to stable and avoiding third party repos gives a pretty solid system. Only developers or sysadmins might consider Debian testing. Only people working on Debian itself should use unstable.
Don’t use gnome appstore. It’s always broken
Don’t use gnome.
Don’t use.
Fuck gnomes
Of course it won’t do anything, you need to update (refresh the index) before you upgrade (download and install updates), silly you
This meme brought to you by outdated packages in the official repo
Mfw I get to go through the same yt-dlp steps after a fresh install
Zypper gang, dup!!
[an hour later]
Done!(But actually I like it.)
zypper is unironically the best package manager. Absolute s-tier god-mode. It’s slow as hell, but that’s because it makes atomic updates. If the install doesn’t go well, it just rolls it back. I fucking love zypper, and I want to shake the hands of the people responsible for it.
Totally!!
I’m fully spoiled by it.
(And one of the reasons family and friends happen to run Tumbleweed.)
Never had an update break on headless Debian. Even when switching from 12 to 13. That shit is solid.
I’m getting used to arch on my main desktop and I still can’t figure out why the hell “sync” is the wording pacman uses for updating or why ‘y’ is refresh. Sync refresh upgrade my ass. I will admin, it is fast.Because you’re “sync”ing with the state of the repo. You’re not necessarily upgrading. Sometimes the repos have a lower version than what you have, so you would be downgrading in that case. Or sometimes you’re just using it to install a new package and its dependencies.
-uis upgrade. And-uuis upgrade or downgrade. It’s used to filter the packages that sync operates on, so basically you’re syncing any packages that have a different version than the repo.-yfor refresh? No idea.-ris root, so I guess it was already in use by the time someone added refresh?I did it on the GUI all day yesterday! The only problem Debian has is being unbreakable!
Heck, I switched repos from bookworm to trixie and installed 3 GiB worth of packages - 2.5k packages - and booted into a PERFECTLY WORKING system!
Installed the other 8 GiB afterwards and booted into a perfectly working system. Just before I thought Steam was broken, I rebooted and it came alive too.
And my GTX 1650 worked right away! Do you know how many times the daily 1 GiB update on Ubuntu breaks that?!
Flatpak updates are kinda’ slow, no 4 GiB downloads needed per day, Debian updates arrive at like 200 MiB a month except for apps like VSCode, Signal, or Discord. And - to be honest - that’s the Windows-unlike experience every distro is missing.
Debian really is unbreakable.
