• ronigami@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    How is this fundamentally different from the “my kids don’t go to school so I shouldn’t have to pay property taxes” people? Relax it’s a public good, the FAA. Everyone benefits from a public good.

    • squaresinger@lemmy.world
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      16 hours ago

      The fundamental difference is the direction of the redistribution.

      The capitalist system inherently distributes from poor to rich. With no state involved, a capitalist system strictly and always devolves into one person (or a very small group) owning everything and everyone else being owned by them. That’s why we have states that do have redistribution systems that try to counteract that: We have progressive tax systems that tax the rich more than the poor to fund free (or at least subsidized) public good systems.

      To get back to your example: The rich don’t need free schools. Even without free public education, they would still be able to afford to send their kids to expensive private schools. A free school program is there to mostly benefit the poor.

      Redistribution systems that redistribute from poor to rich on the other hand are inherently broken. The base economic system already does that redistribution from poor to rich, so allowing the rich to mooch even more off the system is not a good idea.

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      2 days ago

      And nothing will be fixed while “the left” in the US still worship and lionize Carter, who started all the mess.

      Yes, Trump is literally worse, but both parties are two sides of the same coin. You cannot save the country by electing neo-liberals, it’ll always be further right than before.

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        2 days ago

        Trumps in the process of nazi round two and your dumb ass is over here still throwing around both sides same

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          Democrats enabled him and did nothing in the gap between his first and second term to prevent him from executing the out in the open takeover plan. They did start genocide and lost the election because they ran campaign on “the most lethal military” instead of stopping the genocide, and your dumb ass still think the Democrats are you friends.

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            1 day ago

            u huh

            when they are dragging our asses to the camps better tell all our fellow prisoners so they can tell moral you are

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              I’m sure you’re really worried about being dragged to camp. Meanwhile I actually have family in ICE detention, and I lay the blame on both the fascists in charge and the idiots who still insist we should have voted for a nonviable genocidal candidate running a platform of most lethal military.

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                you have family in ice detention and you are worrying about democrats atm?

                you are either fake or hopeless either way just wtf

        • drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works
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          1 day ago

          What the democrats are doing to oppose trump (basically fucking nothing) is the most damning evidence of all, in my opinion. They are controlled opposition.

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            1 day ago

            maybe some, look at who had that lunch in Russia

            I’m sure plenty are just old and corrupt(but not Trump directed), schumer doesnt give a ahit about the is long as Israel gets paid

            it’s a class war first

        • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
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          1 day ago

          The Democrats have proven over the last 50 years that they do not meaningfully oppose Republican values.

          It’s time you start engaging with reality with the rest of us.

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            1 day ago

            I’ll agree with the Dems by and large being useless but if you thing there is no difference you are blind

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            1 day ago

            So by your logic, had Harris won the last election we would still be watching the fall of the USA and the rise of a second Nazi wave?

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              By my logic, if Harris were elected, the vast majority of Americans would see no meaningful positive change. People would get sick of waiting for these policies that will never reach or help them by design, then they elect another Republican out of spite and apathy.

              So just the same things that happened with every dem in the last 50 years.

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                No positive change is surely still significantly better than seeing a massive downturn and an uprising of a second Nazi regime… I don’t get your point.

                We’re all gonna die eventually, so should we be advocating for more murderers?

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                  1 day ago

                  So if the only parties available result in decline, when does a party come along that wants to progress instead of stagnate or regress?

                  Time to grow up as a society and pull this baindaid off that we have apathetically suffered for our entire lives

      • katy ✨@piefed.blahaj.zone
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        2 days ago

        i actually was on wikipedia looking up an article on eastern airlines (i was watching ernest saves christmas and old things make me go down wikipedia rabbit holes) and was shocked it started in the 70s under him

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    3 days ago

    But even if this tax was reduced or went away, what’s stopping the airlines from hiking up the price by that amount? Airlines are looking for any excuse to squeeze out more money from you. In that case you’d just be funding the airline execs’ private flights.

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      2 days ago

      This is about taxes funding the FAA, and the implied conclusion of the video isn’t that these taxes should be removed, but that they should be weighted more heavily towards private flights for the sake of fairness.

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      3 days ago

      How would that even work? Commercial airlines and private jet operators are different entities.

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    3 days ago

    Ehhhh. I wasn’t very impressed with this video. For one thing, it felt more like a compilation of aviation-related clips rather than any kind of meat and potato that actually described the issue.

    When they finally did, they started with the parking ramp analogy. If that truly is a good analogy, it’s not so much that a “fancy” car would pay less, it’s that a smaller car would. Pretty much any parking lot, ferry, etc that can hold different sizes of cars will charge more for a bus or semi truck than a regular car.

    They also mention that fuel taxes are higher for small planes. I would love to know more about that, because that really could smooth things over but there aren’t really any details (also $2400 for [let’s just say] a 150-passenger 737 vs $60 for a private jet may scale similarly per passenger)

    Finally, they very briefly bring up how Canada’s system is much better because it uses a factor of weight and distance… Wouldn’t that just mean those giant airliners pay more?!?

    Bonus: let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that American Airlines is public transit. It’s still a for-profit corporation and if you lower a plane’s FAA taxes, it’ll directly benefit them.

    • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.social
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      3 days ago

      The fuel rates are currently about $0.22/gallon, and are going up to $1.06/gallon over 5 years, but even that wouldn’t put them on par with commercial flights (they pay 0.6% of the fees, but use 7% of resources, $1.06 divided by $0.22 gets you 4.81x the current 0.6%, which is still 2.9% of the fees, while using 7% of FAA resources.)

      So even with the current fuel rate increases, private jets would still be paying less than half of what they end up using.

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      2 days ago

      While that’s true, and so First Class and Business Class subsidize private jets more than Economy Class does, that doesn’t change the fact that Economy also subsidizes private jets.

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          Yeah I flew for $20 not too long ago. No bags, just a small backpack. I wasn’t subsidizing shit, more expensive seats were subsidizing me.

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        Theyee probably right. We’d need to work out how much money their tickets are vs how much space they take up and compare that ratio to economy.

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    3 days ago

    But how can you expect me to think about things like this, when there’s a possibility of someone with genitals that don’t look like mine in my restroom?

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      Have you ever seen a ducks penis? Just be glad whatever genitals you have isn’t a ducks penis. It’s so fucked up that they don’t even GET a bathroom. They just pee in the drinking water. They pee in lakes. Ponds. Your bathtub. They pee anywhere they want, any time they want.

      Thats why they all hang out at parks, and the government doesn’t stop them. Think about it man. You don’t see lions and tigers and bears at the park…because Disney owns the rights to The Wizard of Oz. So you can’t see those animals for free! They gotta get locked up in jail and then they call it a zoo, and charge you $22.50 per adult, and $12 per child under 12. Except on Mondays where it’s free if you’re a local resident of the county.

      But they don’t do that with ducks. You know what else Disney owns? The Mighty Ducks. Darkwing Duck.

      And NOBODY is paying money to see those properties. So they don’t arrest the ducks, because theres no profit there. Follow the money. It all leads back to those crazy duck penis’s, and nobody wants to admit that Howard the Duck is officially a Marvel character, living in the same MCU as Spiderman, and Ironman, and the X-Men.

      THATS why ducks don’t have bathrooms, while humans fight over things like trans athletes being allowed to play sports in college, and throwing green dildos at female basketball players to promote cryptocurrencies.

      We live in the dumbest timeline.

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          I’m going to right now start the conspiracy theory that the actual US president, Donald Trump, has not worn pants or underwear in decades. He’s somehow just hypnotized us all into not noticing.

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        2 days ago

        Except on Mondays where it’s free if you’re a local resident of the county.

        I read this and immediately knew who posted it.