• mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    1 day ago

    The funniest thing about proprietary nvidia drivers on linux is that they’re still easier to install than using the GeForce app lmao.

    dnf install akmod-nvidia

    No sign in to a fat game launcher ad ridden app to upgrade your GPU driver

    • Hadriscus@jlai.lu
      4·
      2 days ago

      wow, wow there. no loud music after 8. If the nightstand mic doesn’t pick up the nightly potus prayer, your front door is getting bust open

      • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        You are in violation of the Community Guidelines due to not marking the comment “NSFW”.
        Of course we are not going to tell you why, but you get 1 strike.

        /s

    • tane@lemy.lol
      92·
      2 days ago

      This happens all the time. I still see what I call boomers (likely younger than actual boomers) call gen z millennials constantly. The oldest millennials are like mid 40s but in the popular imagination we are still kids in our 20s. It’s like society is 10-15 years behind almost

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
    132·
    2 days ago

    You can download the Nvidia driver directly from their website

    People who care about privacy wouldn’t use the Nvidia app. (And wouldn’t be on Windows)

  • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world
    6·
    2 days ago

    I don’t use that shitty application. Just use Nvidia Inspector and Nvidia Control Panel. That application is data collection spyware.

      • Mugita Sokio@discuss.onlineEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        They did release Open Kernel drivers, which I hadn’t tested. Those are the “open-source” drivers. Sure, their firmware could be proprietary (though I didn’t see any issues with it).

      • Mugita Sokio@discuss.onlineEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        That’s because people don’t really learn which operating systems work well for NVIDIA drivers. I’d recommend Mint, Pop_OS!, Nobara Project and CachyOS based upon their experience with computers. Those all work well with NVIDIA.

        • 5redie8@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          2 days ago

          Very good point, always forget Nobara exists but it seems like the best “out of the box” solution if you really don’t want to do it yourself. That being said, to learn anything you need to understand how it works and it’s endlessly frustrating to me that Linux is the one where people just throw their hands up and give up instantly if anything goes wrong and they can’t fix it in the same way they did in a completely different platform.

      • Manmoth@lemmy.ml
        3·
        2 days ago

        That certainly was the case for a long time. I’ve haven’t had any issues for 5+ years. Devs made it a priority.

      • Mugita Sokio@discuss.onlineEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        Just don’t use a monitor that’s DRM’d for Windows only. I made that mistake with an FI27Q-SA (AORUS monitor) once, and that was a $600 US waste.

    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
      662·
      3 days ago

      It’s like people are just now noticing that they have zero ability to control their own digital lives because they traded it all away in order to not have to take the time to learn how to do things for themselves.

      • bluejayway@lemmy.zip
        13·
        3 days ago

        not trying to be rude, but it’s easy to get tunnel vision especially with tech spaces. before becoming involved in tech i had no idea that linux was even a thing. most of these people need education, they just didn’t know their options. they didn’t “choose” to throw away their rights because they didn’t know they had a choice.

      • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.worldEnglish
        162·
        3 days ago

        We all need to make what we know freely available in a friendly manner to make the path to Linux easier and more fun.

        • dropped_packet@lemmy.zip
          20·
          3 days ago

          I have been offering 1:1 chats on signal to anyone who wants help switching to Linux.

          Asking questions in forums and social media is intimidating. I despise the snobbery that often represents this community. I just want to help people regain some control over their digital lives.

          • zeropointone@lemmy.world
            3·
            3 days ago

            I would be interested. So far I can’t say that I have ever been helped on social media or dedicated forums when it comes to Linux. It went mostly like this:

            Me: “I have problem X. How can I solve it or at least get closer to a solution?”

            Answer: “Lol, you idiot, you don’t even know how to do that!”

            Me: “No, I don’t know. That’s why I’m asking. So what do I have to do? Edit a certain script? Get a certain program?”

            Answer: “Grow a brain you noob!”

            (Rinse and repeat)

            Alternative answer, rarely: (Crickets)

            I came to two conclusions because of this. First: The Linux community has the highest density of trolls of all communities. By far. Second: None of those people actually knew the answer to any of my questions, otherwise narcissism would have kicked in at least once and made someone slip a solution, just to brag with their knowledge and skills. Which means that the Linux community is also the least tech-savvy community as well. By far. So if someone actually knows something about Linux, they can’t be found in any Linux-dedicated place. At all.

            Everything I learned about Linux to this day is based on trial-and-error. But I don’t have the time anymore to do that and it’s in general too time-consuming to reinstall distros over and over again because I went too far when trying something new. Currently I’m using Mint to browse the internet or do office tasks. But I would like to do more, like running certain Windows programs like DAWs with low latency. Or raising the polling rate of USB mice above 10 Hz (as in ten - that’s not a typo). Fortunately, copying or moving more than 1 GB to or from USB sticks without crashing the entire machine (no matter if NTFS or ExFAT) was solved last year, probably because of a kernel update. Well, it’s a work-in-progress-project, I know that Linux is more of a beta version of an OS and it’s free, I’m not complaining about such issues. I’m experimenting, having a look what can be done.

            I’m okay with things actually not being possible. I would never complain about ReactOS not running modern Windows programs either. But I’m tired of Linux trolls claiming all kinds of stuff without ever providing any description, tutorial or evidence. And I’m tired of them insulting me because I don’t know something they obviously don’t know either. It’s ridiculous. So yeah, I’m still interested in talking to a single person who might actually know something and who is not part of “that Linux community”.

            • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              4·
              2 days ago

              Or raising the polling rate of USB mice above 10 Hz (as in ten - that’s not a typo).

              I don’t know the answer, but I’m interested, what do you use that for?

              Fortunately, copying or moving more than 1 GB to or from USB sticks without crashing the entire machine (no matter if NTFS or ExFAT) was solved last year, probably because of a kernel update.

              I believe it has a lot to do with the default amount of dirty memory. dirty memory is mostly the write cache, which is unnecessary to have a lot of, as that does not improve anything after a certain point, but at best it can mislead you to believe that a copy opetation started with 200 MB/s and that it finished when it actually did not yet.

              https://web.archive.org/web/20220828115647/https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/decrease-dirty-bytes-for-more-reliable-usb-transfer/62513

              https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysctl/vm.html

              you can fix these limits with sysctl files. they are loaded on boot on typical systemd systems. suggestions are in the manjaro post, relevant for any desktop linux system.

              maybe it’s worth to set these up even if you are good for now. It’s good to hear a kernel change could have fixed it though. maybe they have finally revised the defaults, they wanted to do that for a few years now…

              • zeropointone@lemmy.world
                1·
                22 hours ago

                Thanks for the links. I will have a look, didn’t even know about kernel.org, nobody before you mentioned it.

                I suspect the polling rate to be responsible because the movement of all USB mice turns out to be incredibly slow and choppy. A few years ago it was the worst, it looked and felt like it was down to 2 Hz. This got slowly better with kernel updates, now it seems to be around 8-10 Hz but that still makes using USB mice pointless. The mouse problem always occurs no matter if the machine is close to idle or doing a lot (with or without USB, doesn’t matter) and no matter which brand or model.

                I also wrote a script to apply gamma correction via xgamma whenever the machine starts or returns from standby (because gamma isn’t remembered and returns to default). A little inconvenient in comparison to Windows or Mac. I would be okay with that - if the script would get executed whenever I start the machine or go out of standby. Which is not the case, sometimes it just doesn’t happen and I have to do it manually. So what’s the point of trying to automate anything then if Linux does things whenever it feels like it?

                Yes, there are applets for gamma adjustment which also remember settings. But it turned out updating them crashes Cinnamon when it tries to restart (depending on the kernel version), forcing me to force a shotdown with the power button. This is one of those problems that keeps disappearing and reappearing for years. At some point I had enough and decided to use xgamma.

                It’s all those little inconvenient and unreliable things that keep me from using Linux for anything that goes beyond browsing the web or doing office stuff (not mentioning missing drivers). I end up spending too much time with maintenance or finding workarounds, ultimately serving the machine more than the other way around.

                • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  2·
                  22 hours ago

                  I will have a look, didn’t even know about kernel.org, nobody before you mentioned it.

                  its mostly developer documentation about programming APIs, but there’s also admin docs, not only at the admin-guide pages.

                  if the script would get executed whenever I start the machine or go out of standby. Which is not the case, sometimes it just doesn’t happen and I have to do it manually.

                  what is its current trigger?

                  if yours is a systemd based system, it’s often recommended to make a service unit file for the script, like this:

                  [Unit]
Name=restore gamma on resume
WantedBy=sleep.target

[Service]
After=sleep.target
Exec=/usr/local/bin/yourscript.sh

                  save this in /etc/systemd/system/gammasleep.service (runs services as root), and run systemctl daemon-reload for it to notice the new file. systemctl enable --now to start it and make it autostarted on boot.

                  I have written this from memory on phone, so it might need corrections, but this is basically it, plus edit the exec line. docs is in man systemd.service, man systemd.unit. man systemd.directives tells you which man page documents a specific key.

                  you can check logs with journalctl -u gammasleep.service. an f gives you a running log with shorter history.

                  probably I could have written all of this after you confirmed you did not use a systemd service yet…

                  It’s all those little inconvenient and unreliable things that keep me from using Linux for anything that goes beyond browsing the web or doing office stuff

                  oh I felt the same when I first tried to switch to linux on my main desktop. everything was inconvenient without my usual tools and the system was breaking down from time to time. I got burned out, 2 years later I retried and now I haven’t gone back to the windows install for months, and there’s not much problems now. probably I was being clumsy and doing things the wrong way 2 years ago, but it’s hard to tell because I don’t remember.

        • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          82·
          3 days ago

          in a friendly manner

          Emphasis on “friendly” because there’s a big “RTFM” issue on some Linux communities. Sure, it can be annoying getting the same questions constantly. But the “RTFM” response is condescending and artificially inflates the barrier to entry. People shouldn’t be expected to read, understand, and remember 200 pages of dense documentation just to learn how to update their graphics drivers. If someone is learning how to drive, telling them “read the owner’s manual for your car” is just toxic. Sure the owners manual will have lots of useful info, but that doesn’t actually help the person who is trying to get started.

          At the very least, point them in the right direction. You can say “RTFM” while still being helpful. Oh, you want to know how to do something specific via CLI? Cool, here’s a link to that specific section, which explains what the command you need does. As it currently stands, a lot of the most crucial info for newcomers is buried in obscure wiki articles and books. And longtime Linux users treat the struggle like a rite of passage. But not everyone is interested in that; They just want to ditch Windows because they can’t install Win11, and they’re looking for friendly alternatives.

          • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
            8·
            3 days ago

            I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying.

            Linux has historically been a space for tech people and so the default assumption is that the user is competent (jokes aside…) and capable of understanding technical writing.

            So, naturally, if a person asks a question which is answered in the documentation then they’re reminded that the answers exist already in the expected places and asking other people to do your own research for you rude.

            The Linux demographic is shifting and we need to adjust, but cultural norms change slowly.

            and they’re looking for friendly alternatives.

            I think that this is part of the trap that keeps people stuck in the spyware/enshittification market.

            Technology is complicated.

            Try to imagine, from a technical point of view, how complex it is to run a service like Netflix. There are a lot of highly trained people designing, managing and maintaining the various systems to run the service that lets a user touch a picture on their phone screen to see a movie.

            The user has an easy, friendly experience but that’s only because Netflix handles all of the complexity. This seems like a good deal initially. I mean, $10 $12 $15 $19.99/mo is a good price to pay to not have to know how to do all of that.

            But, now the user is completely dependent on service providers to stand between them and the complexity of technology so they never have a chance to learn because they never see how anything works.

            This Faustian bargain is what lets these companies continue to spy on people and jack up the price of services while offering less service. Where are the users going to go?

            Linux and the open source community offer a different bargain. You have to learn how to do things for yourself, but now you have actual meaningful choices about how you use technology and a community of people who are trying to solve the same problems as you.

            Sure, it isn’t as easy. But easy isn’t free, and I’m tired of paying what they want to charge.

          • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            3 days ago

            My literal job consists of helping other (generally much less technically savvy) representatives provide support to our end users, and it being their literal job to provide “tech” help to users is still not enough of an incentive for 80+% of them to learn anything beyond basic computing. Sometimes it’s like pulling teeth just to get a fucking click path or screenshot of what’s actually happening.

            Now expand that out to now I am not getting paid to help people and those asking for help are often VERY entitled that they deserve to have their hand held through the entire process. It’s frustrating and often thankless.

            There’s an older manual for how to ask a “hacker” for technical help that I think is so spot on for setting proper expectations: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

        • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
          5·
          3 days ago

          Up until now, we’ve been hiding it in wikis and books, where we know nobody will look. 😂

          There are some user friendly distributions, but even they will be uncomfortable and frustrating to use when you’re new.

          Having to relearn how to use a computer is daunting for people. It’s a lot easier to just touch an app and have the instant gratification.

          The point of all of these apps and services is to get people dependent on them so that they’re unwilling to leave because the alternative requires effort. I don’t know that Linux, as a whole, can ever be that user friendly. But, eventually some people will be tired of being squeezed for cash and spyed on just to save a few weeks of reading and learning.

    • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
      1032·
      3 days ago

      Reminder that they already responded

      The Government has no plans to repeal the Online Safety Act, and is working closely with Ofcom to implement the Act as quickly and effectively as possible

      • Armand1@lemmy.world
        80·
        3 days ago

        Doesn’t stop us from continuing to push. Since they responded we got 300 000 more signatures.

        • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
          15·
          3 days ago

          Point is, this law was not created in service of the public. It’s just another surveillance measure. Much like Chat Control, which they’ve pushed over and over again, despite getting pushback from literally everyone around the world every time. You could have everyone in the EU sign that petition and it wouldn’t matter because it’s not for you.

        • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works
          4115·
          3 days ago

          Wouldn’t it be sick if y’all just responded on voting day?

          Here’s the pitch: Do you want to prevent horrible nonsense shit from happening? Do you like money? Are you okay with people in general? Fucking vote.

            • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works
              158·
              3 days ago

              I do not realize that, I’m not from there nor do I pay attention to their politics. This was more so a call to everyone everywhere to show up at whatever booth it may be and prevent shitty policies from being considered, let alone passed.

              That said, I do appreciate the info, and moreso appreciate that you archived it and linked a paywall free version. That was thoughtful.

              • Armand1@lemmy.world
                6·
                3 days ago

                Yeah unfortunately one vote every 4 or 5 years is not enough granularity to weigh in on specific issues. Also, politicians lie about what they will do all the time.

                Showing that a large amount of people are against an action, whether by petition or protest, is one of the tools we do have.

                This particular piece of legislation has been in the works for two administrations of two different parties. We’re kind of sick of both of them so I think many people will likely vote for a 3rd party the next time around. Possibly the more progressive splinter group of our 'left" party.

                • youmaynotknow@lemmy.zip
                  3·
                  3 days ago

                  I hope you’re right. But in my experience, every country ends up voting for 1 of the 2 largest parties because “that other party will not get even 5%” and the whole population ends up disregarding them. And this is by design.

                  Honestly, I pray that you’re right and the UK people actually tells the main parties to fuck right off.

            • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
              613·
              3 days ago

              The game has been rigged.
              Voting exists to stop you changing things.
              It makes you believed you solved the problem
              when you’ve actually accomplished nothing yet

              The voting is game is lost before it began
              with psychometric micro demographic targetting
              they can convert money into votes with simple manipulation
              it’s just a matter of which money interest push more
              on their preferred option

              but neither of the two choices is on your side

              None of the choices in democracy are working for you

              • arrow74@lemmy.zip
                61·
                3 days ago

                So main issue with this comment is the UK system allows for more than 2 choices.

                • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
                  21·
                  3 days ago

                  Yes there are many choices, very similar degrees of ultimately the same thing. Same thing here in Canada.

                  Often it’s the business elite party and the “business elite but pretending to care about the people’s interest party” and that second one is also split so the straight up business elite party has a chance to win. Followed by series of do-nothing statistically insignificant, flavour-text parties just for the impression of diversity. It’s all a little circus to give you the idea the population is in control while being completely out of the equation. It only really serves to dissipate their frustration and make them believe they’ve already done everything they could so we don’t get guillotines in the streets.

                  Make no mistake Fukuyama is right, this IS the end of history, there will not be any democratically elected changes unless the powerful decide change is in their interest and will maintain or increase their power.

                  Nothing will change until the power is physically taken away from them and history restarts.

  • obrien_must_suffer@lemmy.world
    50·
    3 days ago

    this is eventually going to restore the internet to the 1990s on alternate protocols like Gopher or breathe new life into IRC and Newsgroups.

    • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠@programming.dev
      914·
      3 days ago

      You’d have the same issue with this on Linux, no? It isn’t OS-specific.

      EDIT: I meant in general. Software on Linux is also subject to the UKs temper tantrum laws, same as on Windows. The Nvidia driver is just an example, you can also just download the driver on Windows without needing their companion app.

      • BakedCatboy@lemmy.mlEnglish
        27·
        3 days ago

        The official proprietary Nvidia drivers are just a regular Linux package I’m 99% sure, I have it installed on my laptop and it doesn’t involve a gui app at all.

        • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          125·
          3 days ago

          You don’t want to, though. They’re horrible. There’s an insane amount of effort that would be required to reverse-engineer drivers since Nvidia is at best negligent. AMD and Intel are much better about OSS.

          • codenul@lemmy.ml
            12·
            3 days ago

            been plug and play for me using Nvidia + Linux for years now. Just upgraded to a 5070ti, literally was take out old, put in the new.

            • batmaniam@lemmy.world
              4·
              3 days ago

              I’m not fully a penguin, but getting there. Saw the memes, experienced it first hand in one case and was plug and play in another. It’s luck of the draw.

              • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
                3·
                3 days ago

                There’s a learning curve, sure.

                There was one for Windows too, but most people don’t remember the hundreds of hours of learning that they’ve done to become competent users of Windows.

                Just jump in, don’t dual boot. Having no option of giving up and booting Windows makes you motivated to learn how to use Linux.

                There’s a community of people who will help (while also sometimes being insufferable assholes) and the skills you learn will be more durable. You’re not going to see Linux 11 come along and mandate that you buy a new computer or anything.

                • batmaniam@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  1 day ago

                  Oh I’ve loved it so far. And you’re right on the “what you learn is more useful”. Like I’d done a fair amount of hobby/work prototype stuff on rasbian, and eventually went “man, it’d be great if this but more horsepower” and wound up Debian.

                  Anyway, my point is despite doing a fair amount of coding, and circuit level electronics including troubleshooting comms and all the fun things like race conditions that go into that, I had zero idea how a computer was actually arranged. Troubleshooting Debian helped me with that and is infinitely transferable as opposed to being a tip and trick with windows.

                  But my original comment was just about Nvidia cards. I’ve had some I just slot in and they work, and some I have to spend an afternoon troubleshooting. Still reinforces your point though, troubleshooting it the first time was how I learned how things actually get displayed.

          • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            they are at a point where it’s not even really limited by reverse engineering, but that only the nvidia-signed drivers can increase the gpu’s frequencies to anything near performant.

            • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
              72·
              3 days ago

              That is no longer the case. The Nvidia drivers for Linux are pretty decent, these days. They’re still closed source, so if that’s a deal breaker for you, you’ll need to buy an AMD GPU.

              • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                61·
                3 days ago

                I’m not sure if the closed-source drivers have social media garbage on them at the moment, but I’m very sure that I don’t trust Nvidia not to add it.

              • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world
                4·
                3 days ago

                The problem is not that they are bad, is that if someone makes a project that depends on the specific drivers then it will work much worse if the drivers are closed source. Wayland was unusable with nvidia drivers until recently.

          • noodlejetski (he/him)@piefed.socialEnglish
            1·
            3 days ago

            NVK is very slowly getting there, from what I’ve read. if I remember correctly, it’s still gives horrible performance (about 50%-ish of the closed source ones, I think?), but it’s still miles better than “you’re really better off using your integrated GPU” that noveau offered for ages.

      • Zetta@mander.xyz
        11·
        3 days ago

        The key thing is Linux is free and open source, free as In eat shit and fucking die government fucking pigs.

      • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        3 days ago

        No you would not because you don’t need to go to the website to download software to use Nvidia on Linux. Also the Nvidia driver on Linux is literally just a driver and settings package it has no online features

      • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
        71·
        3 days ago

        I’m not aware that the Nvidia drivers for Linux require an app registration. If that were the case, I’d definitely have heard about the uproar.

  • Ilandar@lemmy.today
    592·
    3 days ago

    The internet’s inability to fact check anything before re-sharing it? Yes, I agree.