• Steve Dice@sh.itjust.works
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    Father Weasley, can’t remember his name, repeatedly shows us that wizards raised purely in the magical world are unbelievably stupid when it comes to the non-magic world so it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if they didn’t even know what a gun was.

    Wait a minute. We can go deeper. In the deathly hallows, when they tell the story about the invincible wand, the original owner loses it because someone straight up cut his throat — no magic. Harry also takes it from Malfoy by beating the shit out of him.

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      Such a simple skit but his performance in this is magnificent. I think I looked up some other videos from them, but they didn’t quite manage to capture anything equally as hilarious.

      That skit how they use shotguns in movies never fails to get me though.

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    That’s why us Latinos aren’t represented in the series. Jose el Mago would have walked up to the guy and just shanked him a bunch of times and taken his shoes

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      Probably a good thing JKR didn’t include any Latin American wizards in the series. They probably would have ended up practicing a form of magic that was basically just Aztec blood sacrifice. No way it wouldn’t be racist as fuck. This is Rowling we’re talking about. Her goblins are thinly veiled Jewish stereotypes, she has happy house slaves, and the African wizards are literal witch doctors.

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        Rowling was always known to be slightly racist but people mostly dismissed it as a sort of fantastically stupid racism. As in, the “ha ha this racist stereotype is so dumb, see how ridiculous it looks when I put it in my wizard book” sort.

        I don’t think it was until she started going full TERF that people began to realise that she’s not making fun of the stereotypes; she actually thinks casual racism is a funny and cute thing to do.

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      50 Shades of Grey was a Twilight fanfic.

      What I’m saying is, my good sir… Youre onto something magical here.

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    As if they didn’t have some simple hex that can protect them from physical projectiles.

    They would have been killed a long time ago by arrows.

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    Sometimes I feel like these stories are just generated content or made up, like a fairy tale. Well, if they’re posted too often, maybe they are. I’ll probably pass by because I can make up a story about another anon myself lol.

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      Yeah, use land mines and claymores instead far more indirect and I don’t there’s magic that can reverse being turned into chunky salsa. Also never have just a gun have multiple preferably in multiple directions so the ones using the guns can’t be taken out in one fell swoop.

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        TBH I think the dark wizards are better with covert ops so letting them learn about explosive devices might be a bad move.

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          First they have to figure out what the fuck is killing them, depending on how it’s used an explosive doesn’t really explain what it was beyond being an explosive. A short fuse grenade duck taped to the inside a door doesn’t leave a lot after it’s gone off, sure you know Frank the evil wizard is at best screaming in agony and missing a limb after an explosion but beyond that? Also it’s kinda a trope that evil wizards are technophobic and only want to rely on their magic, the ones who don’t are often the dangerous ones though in a lot of media they are also hermits who want to commit crimes against nature in peace.

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    I’m a little bit surprised Rowling didn’t throw in something about some human technology not working in the wizarding world, like electronics and firearms. Surely this came up while the books were being written.

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      I hate JKR too, but she literally did. Wizard clothes are enchanted with protego charms which turn away any mundane attacks, and wizards really have no reason to fear muggles. During the witch trials some would allow themselves to be burned at the stake because they liked how the flames tickle. It’s very much a ‘magic must defeat magic’ setting.

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      Iirc it is mentioned electricity is finicky. But given that fire works, it stands to reason all chemical reactions work. Ergo firearms.

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        For all we know the hogwarts express runs on magic and so does the car, after all it flies.

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        Pretty sure wizards are familiar with old technology like trains and cars. But like another comment said, muggles are advancing while wizards stagnate in their old ways and traditions and shit since they keep themselves so separated.

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          Combustion is very old technology. Putting it inside a different machine (e.g. a gun or a car engine) doesn’t change the chemistry. If you want to get right down to it, we’re just talking about oxidation - which means that in any sort of world where rapid oxidation doesn’t work (i.e. explosives), your lungs also don’t work because you need that oxygen bonding with the iron in your hemoglobin or you die.

          If you can light a fire, you can make an explosion. If you can make an explosion, you can use it to launch a projectile.

          There’s no world in which fire exists but guns are impossible. Even if you don’t have the metalworking sophistication for a modern gun, you could still make a Chinese-style gunpowder rocket.

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            Or just straight up bombs. The beauty is that an IED can catch even a master wizard off guard. No need for metalworking, and since they use cars, well… surely there is some character with Irish roots, right?

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            This is a world with flying broomsticks and cars, teleportation, and even time travel.

            Of course you can get away with saying gunpowder just doesn’t explode here.

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              Gunpowder is just fire propagating at the speed of sound through solid (powder). As long as sound exists, the magical world can’t contain the angry dust.

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          Explosions are combustion.

          And really we’re just talking about oxidation. If oxidation works (which it must, because the characters are breathing) then chemically-propelled projectiles must also work.

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            Nope, there’s a fundamental difference between a fuel/air mixture burning and something like gunpowder, which is a self oxidising propellant. Most explosives are in the latter category.

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              No, they’re a combustion event. An actual explosion (detonation, pre ignition) is really bad news for an engine.

              Firearms use a self oxidising propellant, so it would be quite easy to say that just doesn’t work.

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                What, pray tell, do you think is in gunpowder? It’s not magic dust that goes bang. It’s a pre-mixed, pre-compressed mixture of fuel and oxidiser. When used in a gun, whether it’s a muzzle-loader or a cartridge, the confined combustion of the mixture generates thermal energy and expanding gases that impart kinetic energy on a moving component (the piston or a projectile). The only difference is that the combustion event in an ICE is subsonic (deflagration) while the combustion in a gun is supersonic (detonation).

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                  The only difference is that the combustion event in an ICE is subsonic (deflagration) while the combustion in a gun is supersonic (detonation).

                  So what you’re saying is there’s a fundamental difference between the two?

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                  @Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works is correct.

                  I should’ve done my homework before going all “well akshullay 🤓” on them (sorry!).

                  The only similarities between the two is that they both are chemical reactions that produce a rapid release of energy. But past that, they are much different in how they get to that point.

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        I don’t remember which book but I also have this clear memory of a quick passage saying all the magic around them was messing up with electronics.

        Also I’m pretty sure in the Deathly Hallows they use the internet to follow Death Eaters sighting while they are in hiding

        (Been a while… and I’m not bothered enough to go check 🤣)

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          its either directly in the books refering guns specifically or… it might have been an official out of the books source.

          i used to be interested in this shit over a decade ago when the last books weren’t yet finished: there was a fancy flash based official site where lore snippets and bullshit from jk got published