Its a shame because they’re prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don’t understand the point of targeting a person you don’t like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don’t like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)
I’m banned from 11 communities on blahaj instance and 2 communities on feddit instance so I can’t comment or vote on stuff there but I also don’t see media posts made by users from those instances on other communities.
Reason for bans were vague, no particular comments or posts of mine was pointed out, and I’ve got no response when I asked for clarification.
i avoud controversial communities mostly for that very reason, like on reddit you can get misconstrued response and then get banned, barring if you actually said something very offensive.
this JOKER made a community to WHINE about their Ls
edit because i forgot to post the LINK!
And it got banned by the admin so he made a new one on lemmy.world! Holy shit he’s just refusing to consider he’s being weird.
Deeply unserious behavior.
Holy shit this is hilarious, my God. Terminally online behaviour.
Lmao I thought you were joking for a second
Shout out to PJ who embodies the “fuck you, I will NEVER stop posting” mentality
Doesn’t dbzer0 literally have a ‘disengage’ rule because the default experience there is "“fuck you, I will NEVER stop posting”?
That is the experience on most of the instances
“nEoLiBeRaLiSm WoN”
Hey yacht boy, what are you doing hanging out with us tankies?
It’s a rite of passage these days. Blahaj and DB0 are full of couch revolutionaries throwing bans like molotovs.
“I defeated the patriarchy today!”
obama_medal.jpg
What does this even mean? Should we not ban people who are disturbing and rude?
They get a chance to be? 196 banned me from their Matrix channel just for being a straight person. I didn’t even have a discussion with them. It was “oh, you’re not trans? Bye!”, instantly.
admin clicks on my account
“Oh, we already banned him… huh… fuck, is he right?!”
I was banned from their lemmy instance for criticizing blahaj about a month ago, I never even had a back and forth with a user on their instance. Some admin said “seeya never, then!” and banned me indirectly from a comment on another instance.
Gonna need a big [citation needed] on that one.
I’m on the 196 matrix and straight, never had any issue
Why would someone banned for transphobia lie about queer people hating him? Curious.
Congratulations
Especially the single db0 user who downvoted your comment. Every single valid critique of the instance, there they are.
Clearly this a valid argument and critique and not at all intentionally made abtract for humor, you’re right.
May be this (emphasis mine):
Removed Comment
Me: “Oh look, the ghost said something stupid again. I wonder what they’ve been up to.” [clicks profile] [sure enough, more stupid things are said, including blatant misinformation] Sorry that you say stupid things and break the rules, I guess? > I recall a few weeks back he said that because I don’t call out .ml that much (funny how he ignores me calling out Hexbear) I somehow must mass downvote his posts across lemmy. lol I’m sure you can quote me. It would be awful if your memory was as poor as your ability to construct coherent arguments. AND a place of honor in your bio? That’s unironically great. Thanks for helping spread me all over the Fediverse!Maybe the admin misread? Or they read that and then actually checked the data and found PJ did downvote all that other users stuff or smthn.
I tried to take a short look at the data but PJ has over 150k votes which probably breaks the page I use. (Admins can natively see this info in lemmy)
Or they read that and then actually checked the data and found PJ did downvote all that other users stuff or smthn.
Correct, I gave my admin over 25 links documenting it, after he said he stalks my account to do it.
That sounds a lot more justified then, thanks for the info.
For that extra certainty, was it consecutive comments and posts?
Could you have feasibly come across all of them organically if you used lemmy an unhealthy amount?For that extra certainty, was it consecutive comments and posts?
It was anything he disagreed with, so it would skip some posts.
Could you have feasibly come across all of them organically if you used lemmy an unhealthy amount?
Even for Pug, no. It was including communities for only db0 members, small communities he’s not part of, and posts going back a month.
He literally told me he saw me make one post and then stalked my account. He told me he always searches his username online for when people talk about him.
Deeply disturbed individual who needs to relax.
Because it’s rude and not constructive. It’s not a permaban offense but this kind of toxicity is part of why I left Reddit. We can do better and model positive arguments even with people we vehemently disagree with. If someone is being unreasonable, just disengage and move on.
People using report function as down vote around this here fora
This the same guy that calls POC perspective of colonisation “melodramatic”.
I would love to read that context if you have it somewhere.
Based on the conversations I’ve had with him, it’s gotta be gold.
It was in response to me linking readsettlers.org it was on my lemm.ee account
Bummer. Will have to go read the links
Its somewhere in that accounts modlogs
Using lemvotes, I’ve noticed a pattern of at least 3 users downvoting 90℅ of everything I post and I just want to say: If you don’t like me, block me. But I know at least one of those users is a drama creating bully with accounts on seemingly every single instance. Surprised they don’t use all their accounts to downvote. I guess then it would be too obvious. 🤷♂️
I think I will be blocking db0 after all.
What are the accounts? You can bring it up our admins and they’ll take care of it.
I am not sure it is really an instance specific phenomena. I have two or three users who do the same to me. One of them appears to be a german user I have never interacted with on Lemmy in any capacity that I know of. It’s just internet things.
Unsurprising, that user is a power-poster and power-mod that constantly tries to shit-stir. Figured it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.
Bruh… cowbee talking about shit stirring… i only know we’re in a glass house cause you started throwing stones.
I pretty plainly admit to focusing on correcting misinterpretations of Marxism and Marxism-Leninism, I spend very little time power posting, and I don’t own and moderate drama communities. I also don’t downvote troll people, or stalk them and post about them on drama comms.
I’m certainly opinionated, and have my own political views I don’t shy away from, but I think it’s pretty clear that this is a fundamentally different situation.
Meh, like I guess, but honestly when someone lifts you out of the bucket of shit you’re stirring, the shape of you is obscured by the fact you are also covered in the shit you stirred along with this loser.
Don’t really follow, are you just saying that because I’m opinionated and like to talk about Marxism, I’m the same kind of shit-stirrer that constantly posts memes trying to provoke a response, and mods a bunch of drama communities specifically about snooping on people for screengrabs? I can’t say I agree.
Of course you don’t agree, your head is buried in shit.
“Shit birds, randy, a wh- whole flock of em, all washing themselves with shit water in shit buckets in their houses of glass smeared in shit, randal.”
"what kind of shit birds are we talking about here mister AWistfulNihilist? The shit hawks are back again brought in by the winds of shit?
“Even worse, boy…”
“Shit Ostriches, Randy. We gotta call in the heavies on this one.”
Okay? Strange behavior on your part, you might want to look into a mirror.
I’m in the glass house with you.
Prominent is certainly a choice of words
I wouldnt be surprised if he was the source of the majority if mod reports the last few days - some time off would do him good.
Oh, yeah I think I argued with that guy when I was drunk once. Coolio
Dbzer0 mods temp banned me for trolling recently. I was actually taken aback because on Reddit my sarcasm would be pretty mild. Can’t argue with the premise, glad our mods are trying to make Lemmy less toxic and I learned a valuable lesson actually. Just disengage and move on.
While I think lemmy is great compared to reddit I still don’t like the whole upvote and downvote system. As it’s mostly based on people who agree with something and they will downvote you if they disagree with you. There should just be commends and replies to comments imo. At least downvoted posts don’t get hidden from view I guess.
I disagree with you. I’d never want to go back to the old defaults in forums, of un-threaded conversations where every comment is equal (and generally sorted by timestamp). Some comments are just better than others, and a user interface should prioritize the better comments.
Comments that are interesting, funny, or informative can be read by more people when they’re shown earlier in the page.
Comments that are rude, factually incorrect, off topic, etc., can be de-emphasized in the user interface, even if they don’t technically break any rules. I’d rather it be a community driven decision than a mod-driven decision of the harsh consequences of comment removal or user ban.
The key is to find a community whose collective opinions you respect. Crowds may not be perfect, but they’re generally better than individual mods.
And a naive “newest first” sort algorithm just prioritizes frequent posters and incentivizes “bumping” threads, which also detracts from the overall quality of a forum.
All it really does is prioritize herd mentality though, like if you don’t think like the others then you get downvoted and your comment hidden. I think this is just bad and was the main thing I hated about reddit.
Why does this matter? If I disagree and dislike something, why not give me a “don’t like that” button?
You can just say it instead.
I disagree and do not like your comment.
Because they’re awful methods of communication that lead to bad community feel? Seems straight forward to me.
Why do you feel that way? Seems like a fair way to contribute to a discussion without adding an entire comment to barely add anything.
Yeah, disagreements should not be buried.
(Upvoted because I agree with you 😅)
I’m not really seeing any receipts, so I’m going to have to go with “power tripping admins abusing power” on this one.
Honestly, if you look at the receipts, it’s even worse. It’s a pattern of instance admins harassing this guy, banning him, and then accusing him of being abusive somehow to them (by, for example, using his downvote button) and also telling people he’s a piece of shit.
It’s a pattern of instance admins harassing this guy
Someone should really ask for receipts on this one.
Look below, we’re discussing it with links and examples. Maybe “harassing” is a stretch, but they’re definitely singling him out for insults, accusations, and moderator actions in a way that to me is wildly un-called for.
I think even you have pointed to it, but PJ is a prolific poster. If he’s having a bad moment (as everyone does on occasion), it’s not just a couple of comments, it’s hundreds.
When pugjesus gets into it with someone or about something, it’s a bonafide flood of activity. If it were any other user I might even agree with you that it’s unfair, but pugjesus is not ‘any other user’. Having been on the receiving end of his ire before, I really have to say that it’s appropriate to hand out a temp ban.
Everyone needs time to touch grass sometimes -not more than when you’re days-deep into a posting bender.
People are allowed to argue on the internet, no?
We seem to have moved the goalsposts from “he’s abusive” to “he was banned from blahaj which as everyone knows means he definitely actually did something” to “he argues about politics how dare.”
170+ comments in a day is not simply ‘arguing about politics’. Even then, though, not every community or instance allows just any kind of arguing, and not every mod will tolerate a flood of reports about a single user arguing just a bit too aggressively. Especially when the specifics of the argument are borderline rulebreaking by themselves.
We seem to have moved the goalsposts from “he’s abusive” to “he was banned from blahaj which as everyone knows means he definitely actually did something” to “he argues about politics how dare.”
Sorry, who’s moving the goalposts? You accused the admins of ‘harassing’ him, then backed down to ‘unfairly singling him out’. It would be impossible to ‘single him out’ any more than he has already distinguished himself by the shear volume of his activity. A one-off heated comment is very different than dozens and dozens.
I am aware of your personal political alignment with PJ, so I understand you may identify with the content of his commenting - but the shear volume of it is enough on its own to warrant intervention.
It’s only a temp ban, anyway - a glorified time-out. I’m fine with leaving it as a disagreement.
You’re welcome to your opinion.
Db0 lol clowns. I made a comment once, got threatened, laughed at said threat, then got banned from libjerk. Some users there are as bad as the tankie trifecta
Good on the admins for not tolerating this.
…
How many downvotes exactly are we talking about here?
Is it, like, two hundred? Or is it, like, ten?
Wth is going on with the db0 instance? Db0 the guy seems very chill and understanding, at least in the posts I’ve seen.
Db0 is still very chill and understanding. Seems like the person reported here is having a hard time recently
Oof.
Db0 is still very chill and understanding
That has not been my experience at all
That’s because you’re an slopper constantly trolling in our comms.
an slopper
Not sure what a “slopper” is. Is that when people make note of sloppy grammar?
constantly trolling in our comms
This is what you have chosen to believe and regurgitate in spite of a lack of any real evidence or basic reasoning.
How could I be “constantly trolling in [your] comms” having blocked the instance months ago? Your whole claim immediately falls apart as soon as you apply any logic.
A while back I had made a few complaints about AI slop in dbzer0 not knowing about the secret hidden rule of that instance that you cannot make any reasonable complaints about AI or else you will get targeted and swarmed by frothing users and power-tripping admins/mods. Then, absolutely wild claims and accusations, at the conspiracy-theory level, were made by, and/or supported by, dbzer0 users/mods/admins and any cult-like followers of the such with a complete disregard for even simple logic, like Occam’s Razor. After some failed attempts to defend myself with reasoning from those insane claims and accusations, while admins participated or supported the mob, I had blocked the instance. Since then, I still get dbzer0 cult people following me around and harassing me with the same baseless claims you’re flinging at me now.
db0 did absolutely nothing but help support the mob-behavior,. They even supported the dbzer0 brigade of fuck_AI by showing up themself and acting like a typical politician making false claims and conveniently ignoring points in order to spin the narrative to support the aforementioned behavior.
So, yeah. I’m not a fan of db0 or the entire instance, thanks to shitty behavior like you’re showing here.
Slopper are assholes who go around hijacking comment threads to tell everyone about what they think of genAI “slop”. So I think you fit the description just fine.
Let’s analyze this encounter here to show how you and your like really like to act.
- Someone says “x person is chill”.
- I respond pretty simply “That has not been my experience at all”
- That is putting it nicely, even. Just simply disagreeing based on actual experiences with them.
- You reply with a needlessly rude response making wild claims with no proof or evidence.
- Trying to start shit, as your cult fam puts it. No chill.
- My response
- I start off by rebuffing your attempt at an insult. Again, you’re needlessly
- Then I point out very simply that your claims already fall flat as soon as you but any effort into thinking about your claims.
- I follow up with an explanation of my position with my experience and reasoning behind it.
- You double-down on trying to start shit. Clearly attempting to escalate.
- You triple-down with an objectively childish response of some sort of image of a baby. The irony is unbelievably hilarious. This message was such an asshole move that the mod removed it.
Based on this alone, you have already established that you are the asshole here.
But let’s take a little walk down this road a bit and analyze this further.
Your whole position is that you are allowed to be a childish asshole to me because I make comments about my frustration with AI slop. First, it’s really only occasionally when I make a few comments here and there about AI slop, and many times it’s literally because the AI slop has been posted in a community that explicitly forbids it — I’m such an asshole for that! But, let’s assume my intention is to be annoying about it and bother people by basically saying “ugh more AI slop”, is that really a good reason to act like you have been here, let alone fucking everywhere I go where you seem to not stop harassing me about having a fucking different opinion than you?
The simple fact is: I just don’t like AI the same way you and other people do and it can be very frustrating at times. There is not some sort of shadow cabal with the sole purpose of following around AI users and working together to mob and brigade AI communities. That’s much closer to what you and many dbzer0 users are actually doing(examples: [1], [2], I had more easy links but I can’t link to them due to being deleted because a user was banned or the mods removed them). The claims of brigades is literally just because of a coincidence due to the fact there are a significant amount of people who are frustrated by AI. That’s the simplest and most straightforward explanation that you and others are conveniently ignoring.
Additionally, there are plenty of valid and reasonable reasons to have issues with AI, to list only some of them:
- The fact it’s exponentially adding to the enshitification of nearly everything by being shoved into products and services that don’t need it and driving up the costs of services with no way of declining and keeping things as they were at the same cost
- Being used as a weapon of misinformation and disinformation
- Pushing the dead internet theory closer and closer to a full-blown reality
- The profiting off other people’s work by plagiarism, copyright infringement, and maliciously scraping content creating a strain on people’s resources that they have to pay for
- People unintentionally spreading misinformation and disinformation by because AI generated content was not explicitly tagged as such
- Corporations using it to make fucked up decisions that would not have been an option without it
- The constant overhype and mischaracterization of its capabilities
- The fact it’s fucking everywhere and so much so there is literally nowhere you can go without AI having corrupted it somehow
And yet, you think it’s okay to go around acting like a wad of rotting dick cheese to people because they don’t agree with your perspective on AI because “omg people won’t stop saying they don’t like AI!”. Come-fucking-on.
I’m so fucking tired of you and the other dbzer0 nutbags.
Because you start shit and don’t like consequences.
That’s legit. The UN report clearly found that people from the Hamas side of the fighting had committed widespread sexual assaults. Bringing up misleading talking points and blog posts to try to spin it around into the report finding the opposite is textbook misinformation.
I actually don’t agree with banning people for this type of misinformation, I think arguing back in kind is the right way in most cases. But if you’re going to ban misinformation (which most of Lemmy seems to think is okay), then this is a pretty reasonable ban.
(It’s probably offtopic to get into an extended argument about the original Hamas sexual assault claims under this post… if anyone wants to re-inaugurate my whole “debatebro” community by having it out with me there about it though let me know and I’m down a little later today.)
How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban? As far as I can tell, literally the only thing the dude does is post about cool stuff and chat. I didn’t even know he was active as a moderator in any real capacity.
hmm now I’m curious
>checks
AHAHAHAHA no. Funny, but no. I have that dude blocked, I can’t remember exactly why but I’ve had him blocked for at least a year and I remember his username and him being a twat, I just don’t care enough to go looking up how he was a twat.
AHAHAHAHA no. Funny, but no.
Can I do that too? I mean, I have enough respect for the people reading my stuff to explain why I think things so they can think it over, see if it makes sense, I mean they’re free to agree or disagree but I guess I was wasting my time with that when AHAHAHAHAHA means obviously I’m right and the other person is wrong…
I can’t remember exactly why but I’ve had him blocked for at least a year and I remember his username and him being a twat
Okay. Who are you? Why do I take your opinion about him seriously just because you say it and actively refuse to give any reason?
You can have whatever opinion about the guy you want, I was just offering that I’ve had personal experience with someone you classify as “the most helpful and drama-free” being anything but, and if he got banned he probably deserved it. I’m very sorry I don’t feel like digging through every comment I’ve/he’s ever written to go and remember exactly why I think he’s an obnoxious dickhead, all I can remember is that I’ve interacted with him, and he was enough of an obnoxious dickhead to justify blocking him. You’re welcome to go do so if you don’t believe me.
Yeah what was I thinking looking up his modlog, quoting some of the stuff that got him banned, and weighing in on it and specifically why. I should have just said I liked him, and “if he got banned, he probably didn’t deserve it” all confident-like, and called it a day. It’s easier, too.
no, next time just don’t
suck him offmake sweeping claims of someone’s impeccable character unless you’re prepared for someone else who’s had personal experience to the contrary to pipe up. That’d be good enough.if that’s too much of an ask I can always just block you as well, though, I genuinely don’t care. Out of sight, out of mind.
So I said “Hey here’s what I think”
And so then you said “well you’re WRONG because here’s what I think instead”
So far so good
And then I said “Well I have reasons for what I think and you seem to be just shouting your opinion and only that so it seems like I win”
And then you said “HOW DARE YOU HERE’S WHAT I THINK YOU’RE BEING UNFAIR”
And then I got even more sarcastic about it and now you are hurt because of it
It’s understandable I guess. I still think that opinion + reasons is better than just OPINION OPINION OPINION even if I do grasp that you might have had different experiences than I have had and so different perspectives to bring to bear. Like I say you are refusing to elaborate even in the slightest which I feel like is a fair thing to ask you to do if you’re going to call another human being a “twat.”
All good, you’re free to block me if the sarcasm is overly hurtful, I do do that sometimes.
edit: goodness, that’s a long reply and from just skimming the start of it, it seems you went to a lot of trouble to make a strawman. Too bad I ain’t reading allat, you take care now.
Apology accepted, you too
Okay. Who are you?
The same could be said of you. Why should anyone take the former admin of a presumably failed singlw-person instance seriously?
Lol
Because I explain the reasons for what I think, and then people can decide for themselves whether it makes sense. I don’t really have to be anybody (and, indeed, I am not) for it to sway people.
There’s a whole other contingent that likes to fall back on “but I am (this identity)!” or “well I’m the moderator of (wherever)” to justify their stuff. Or, like this person, just AHAHAHAHAHA instead of reasons. I like my way better.
As far as I can tell, literally the only thing the dude does is post about cool stuff and chat.
Nobody’s perfect.
He was also involved in the 196 forced migration attempt: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35965565?scrollToComments=true
Yeah. I missed some drama because I tend to avoid lemmy.world politics forums because they are unbearable. Point taken.
dbzer0, we love you,
Speak for yourself. I’ve got no love for AI-bros.
We’ve got no love for your instance either. A cesspit of liberal bullshit and zio nonsense.
Both of your instances don’t even end on .nl *shakes head*
Finally. Something we can all agree on.
I’m not sure which of the two previous comments was the worst generalization or shit take I’ve seen in a while. It’s pretty ridiculous all these people that reflexively get bent out of shape around anything regarding llms or generative models. Especially considering anarchists explicitly don’t support the wealthy bourgeoisie using it to displace workers and regular people. They are just tools and can be used for good or bad.
But implying that .world is a haven for liberal zionists. Is an equally bad take. Easily disproven by just spending a few minutes there. I think anyone making this sort of accusation is probably more likely to be the problem they accuse others of.
Either way. Both are problematic and emblematic of talking past each other and not to each other. Which isn’t damning, all of us have the capability to do it. Just discouraging how frequently we all do it.
.world and most of the fediverse is generally a political leftist safe-space. Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous. Go on the front page and youll see a constant stream of muh capitalism-bad, every other meme has to be about gay/trans/neopronoun stuff or a poorly veiled political commentary (often both), endless doomerism about the environment, class system and social justice imbalances. If you dare to ever point this out you’ll get hit with the ol’ “EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL HAHA WANNA CRY ABOUT IT SNOWFLAKE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE” deflection theyre probably used to being on the recieving end of.
It screams 'Social media for liberal arts students in their 20s-30s Who decided the best use of their time, financial investment, and education potential was to be formally taught drawing in-between political lessons teaching ‘straight white men bad and need to be opressed since you cant oppress the oppressor’, think they have all the solutions to societies problems because they read a book on economic theory and restorative justice for minorities theory that semester.
AI tech bros generally have no respect for the humanities or art as a creative process. Theres a non-zero amount of ai-bros who get off on the fact that artist aren’t going to be the last to be outsourced to automation like they think they were, and the work artist create arent untouchable products of creativity (that tech bros happen to not posess and thus are envious of/ dont respect as valuable). Theres a kind of art and creativity in AI with frontier researchers contributing beautiful proofs stitching together new frameworks from classical literature that are too nerdy and formal for artist to appreciate. Engineers and buisiness people see dollar signs and cost calculations, crunch the numbers, and decide its cheaper to use stable diffusion to boilerplate graphical design than hire an artist. The fact some people go out of their way to brag and rub it in artist faces while stealing their work to have a trained model copy their approximate style/likeness with none of the soul that human touch adds. Yeah its easy to understand why the liberal arts crowd and the AI crowd have some bad blood.
The artist are rightfully insulted and existentially threatened, the AI community is at best indifferent and at worst maliciously gleeful about it. The current copyright system is too outdated to appropriately protect their creative works and even if it were’t the megacorps like facebook, non-copyright respecting foreign countries, and usual internet pirates wouldn’t give a fuck anyways. The only silver lining is artist are historically gatekeepy smug pricks with emotional complexes so maybe a bit of ego shattering and reality checks could do them some good. Still, I’d rather see society respect their works as a right even if they are obnoxious assholes.
Until this tension relieves I don’t see the two sides making ammends.
I’ve never had a problem with that user either.
I love your username by the way.
Not only have I never had a problem with him, I’ve literally never seen him have a problem with anyone or vice versa.
I looked back in his modlog, and pretty much what I found was silliness. I’ve said before, I really think there are people on Lemmy trying to stir up absurd drama for reasons of their own to use to attack mods especially that they don’t like and get others to bully them for being “wrong” in some kind of artificial way on some kind of various hot-button issue. This looks 100% like that.
Anyone who feels like this dude is wrong, go look at his modlog, make your own decision.
Not only have I never had a problem with him, I’ve literally never seen him have a problem with anyone or vice versa.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35965565?scrollToComments=true
https://lemmy.ml/post/33527767
Yeah, this had put a target on his back in any lefty instance.
Also, following a user from tiny community to tiny community that you’re not a part of just to downvote their posts that you disagree with personally because you got into an argument with somebody is a bit extreme and I agree with the admins that they did the right thing.
It’s hilarious to me that this whole community of people is having a days-long freakout about what a big deal it is that PugJesus commits this multitude of sins (which have gradually reduced in scope from “abusive” “transphobic” “zionist” whatever else into “he’s a liberal” (allegedly) “he argues about politics and I think that shouldn’t be allowed apparently”)… while also accusing him of caring way too much and being a loser therefore.
Y’all should follow your own advice, and get a life and stop freaking out about what some other person on Lemmy did.
Y’all should follow your own advice, and get a life and stop freaking out about what some other person on Lemmy did.
Tell Pug that.
Nah we are just enjoying all the bit of Schadenfreude.
You should be telling that to PJ who spends way too much time on Lemmy. I’m not the one who created a community just a removed about being blocked. Let them know to touch some grass while you’re at it.
Also, the irony of you saying this about a power user who posts quite literally hundreds of times a week.
Cool! Now accuse him of caring way too much about politics, and getting in heated debates about it like a LOSER, speaking as you are from your lemmy.ml address. That’ll make perfect sense too.
Ooh, you’re gonna bust out a genetic fallacy. We’re gonna start with the fallacious arguments already?
Oh, so I’m a loser for spending any time looking at this, but he’s not a loser for talking a bunch of shit about politics that he does not understand and cannot take any criticism for and spending a bunch of time being a royal asshole to everybody who disagrees with him but I am loser.
Man, I gotta go make my own little whiny community on pifed, so then maybe the great Philip the Bucket won’t see me as such a loser.
Ooh, you’re gonna bust out a genetic fallacy. We’re gonna start with the fallacious arguments already?
Okay, fair enough. Let me click on your profile and see how anti-political you are in general, so I can be sure not to judge you because of your instance.
Oh. That was quick lol. I didn’t even have to read.
Oh, so I’m a loser for spending any time looking at this
Correct. Spending extensive time criticizing some other user for some kind of imagined sin, through a lens of purely “how can I insult this person and come up with mischaracterizations or framings of real things they did that make them look as bad as possible, or else just making up total bullshit that would have been bad if they’d done it,” is loser behavior. Yes.
but he’s not a loser for talking a bunch of shit about politics that he does not understand and cannot take any criticism for
Uhhhhh
Really trying not to reach for the genetic fallacy here lol
Okay. My main point was that, caring about politics and being impassioned about wanting to say your thing and stick up for your viewpoint, also wanting to attack the perceived opposite viewpoint, is more than anything the single defining characteristic of a lot of communities on Lemmy. I’ll say it that way. To me, that’s a good thing. I was actually really happy when I came here originally and found tankies and anarchists. It speaks to (a) people who care about politics, which speaking as a terminally online weirdo I really like (b) a diversity of viewpoints. It’s a good thing. Now you’re trying to turn it around into because his viewpoint is one you don’t agree with, he’s all of a sudden a big doo doo head because he cares about it enough to argue about it… while, presumably, caring so much about it yourself that you get impassioned and start typing all heated-up about it if someone disagrees with you.
To me, arguing about politics and having strong opinions about it is fine. It is one of the defining features of Lemmy. It sounds like you’re all of a sudden only deciding that it’s this stupid loser weirdo behavior because he has a different viewpoint than you, and because you can’t handle that, you have to try to spin around in any direction you can to find something to use to attack him with. Instead of just debating with him on the merits of whatever it is (or, alternatively, just leaving it alone like a more normal person).
How’d I do at avoiding the fallacy?
Man, I gotta go make my own little whiny community on pifed, so then maybe the great Philip the Bucket won’t see me as such a loser.
No need! Your instance will happily ban anyone who disagrees with you too loudly, so you don’t need to, the whiny little community is already created for you.
Oh shit I blew it at the end lol
Yes, I was pointing out your hypocrisy, the one that you’re still very clearly showing, where you use the same things that you’re poking at me with, that you just protected PJ for doing.
Well, it’s not imagined if he’s getting, you know, banned for it. And there’s a lot of us here to corroborate how much of a “fun guy” he’s been.
I never claimed I was anti-political, I only claimed that PJ has a propensity to attack people. I will continue to argue with somebody until I feel like my point is across, and if you continue to comment, so will I.
I don’t care about his viewpoint. He’s more than allowed to have his viewpoint. He is allowed to advocate for harm reduction. He doesn’t post sources to anything that he claims, he won’t back up anything that he’s talking about, he just gets nasty. I don’t get nasty until you’re nasty first. I give what I get.
If he would, you know, maybe respond with well meaning comment talking about it in a debating fashion, and then let it go when it’s clear people aren’t going to agree, you would have a point, but that’s not what he does, and that’s not how he argues.
For instance, I happen to know quite a lot about October 7th and Hamas, and so he’s claiming that there was a ton of sexual violence done by Hamas but when the UN investigated it, they did not find systematic evidence of sexual violence, nor did Israel work with them, which is unusual. Not only that, the report he references is one that has been discredited as a source of statistics for sexual violence on October 7th. When I point out that in other similar situations like what happened in Rwanda or in Syria that they were able to track individual people the majority of the time with less surveillance I get called names for daring to ask these questions.
That’s the epitome of the way your boy debates.
He claims there’s a Russian genocide. I point out that the ICJ did not find convincing evidence that Russia was committing a genocide in Ukraine where they did find some semblance of that in Palestine. He immediately just tells me I’m parroting Russian propaganda and that I’m a Nazi. I asked for a source and he says that I’m sealioing.
Believe what you want, but this guy is not good news, he does not argue in good faith, and while he may have people’s best interests at heart, he’s certainly not winning any hearts.
Wait, what the fuck? I got bored and checked it more. How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban?
He has literally said he wants to start fights online because he finds it fun, and that hell never stop harassing members because he doesn’t like them.
When did he say that? Are you sure he didn’t say some totally different and more sensible thing that you’re choosing to wildly exaggerate into that?
I can actually pretty much guarantee that that’s not what he said. I guess I missed some LW politics community drama that he was involved with, so sure maybe my side was wrong initially, but I’m pretty confident that particularly the second part of that is just some kind of trumped-up misinterpretation of what he actually said.
The first part was like ~6 months back, the second part was eariler this week.
When I called him out for stalking my profile, he responded within the hour on a thread that was 10 days old. I didn’t say his name, I just documented his actions on that single post and comment, going back to my account to downvote anything I agreed with.
He then said anytime I “said something stupid” he checks my account and goes over it to downvote me. I don’t even do that and I dislike him. Check his modlog, it was one of the things he said before a mod removed it.
He also said (According to several other users) he will never forgive the “protest voters” so he’ll fight them online.
Okay, so something totally different than what you said lol.
You’re welcome to dig up the actual statements and show them to me, to shed some more light. If you don’t feel like doing that, then I don’t feel like doing it on your behalf and we can conclude things there.
I’ll try to go through his account of thousands of comments in the last few months, and if I find something before I leave for work I’ll let you know. Is there a way to search someone’s entire account without just Ctrl+F?
Search
- type: Comments
- creator: him
- search field: something you remember him saying
Thank you, I’ll try to do that once I’m done prepping my crockpot and if I have time before work.
Oh, I don’t like engaging with him or any of his posts because he tends to be a loudmouth radlib but he is a power user and his posts on other communities are just fine.
It’d be nice if I could, like, put a comment on one of his political posts, though, without it turning into a gigantic, massive thread arguing about the specifics of electoralism and lesser evil and all of that nonsense.
he tends to be a loudmouth radlib
Okay, so now we’ve got “loser,” “twat,” “loudmouth,” has a psychological disorder, “zio,” mental issues, the whole nine yards.
And, somehow, that’s not abusive. PJ giving downvotes and arguing about politics, though, is.
Good to know.
He’s a genocide-supporting Zionist radlib who thinks it’s fun to spend his day insulting people who bring in Marxist/anarchist theory.
By the way, radlib is not an insult. It describes his political position 🙄
Finally, he even admitted that he is a loudmouth (tangentially), so I don’t know what you’re going on about here. Someone who will argue with you for 100 plus comments I would consider to be a “loudmouth”.
And, somehow, that’s not abusive. PJ giving downvotes and arguing about politics, though, is.
It would be insulting to describe what he does as debating or arguing. He spends most of the time using falicious techniques in order to try and point score the best he can, so that he doesn’t actually have to engage with anything you say, and then when you bring up something specific, he’ll just ignore the point.
It’s also entirely inappropriate to follow a user around to small communities that you’re not a part of to downvote when the voting system is supposed to be whether or not a post matches the tone of the community.
It’s unfortunate you’re unable to view nuance.
It’s unfortunate you’re unable to view nuance.
Lol
Okey dokey
I didn’t even know he was active as a moderator in any real capacity.
They’re a mod for MeanwhileOnGrad of all places and you’ve regularly engaged in the same debates they get embroiled in. This feels like some strange feigned ignorance.
Yeah it’s feigned ignorance, he knows what he is doing.
You are dead on. I hate that shit, but it’s mega popular here, especially these chronically online weirdos who think they’re in a holy war against eachothers opinions.
The dudes who have the time to get in fights and document them, or spend their precious minutes digging through mod logs for evidence. They are telling on themselves.
The dudes who have the time to get in fights and document them, or spend their precious minutes digging through mod logs for evidence. They are telling on themselves.
And Pug is doing that right now, he made a community dedicated to doing it.
Check out PJs LW modlog, it’s not all rainbows and sunshine. I know you love to do that anyway.
Nobody accused him of “mass downvoting”, that’s a strawman. What he was accused of was harassing one of our users, looking him up for the specific purpose of downvoting past posts/comments and to leave salty comments and reports on old threads like a goddam stalker, because he’s an angry turbolib who blames the left (and Eugene in particular, for some reason) for the pathetic failure of the corporate-c**k-sucking Democrats to defeat Donald Trump. There is plenty of evidence for all of those things.
At the very least, his behaviour around this has been petty and childish, not great qualities in a mod. And if he was even a slightly reasonable person, he probably wouldn’t have quit our instance in a huff, and started up a personal grudge community to stir up pointless drama all because of a 7 day temp ban. Like just how fragile is his ego, anyway? We’ve all copped short bans without going into a full breakdown about it.
And it’s pretty well known by now (except for you it seems) PJ has a bad temper, and that he’s been losing his shit more and more lately. He even states as such in his profile. While I do feel empathy for the fact he lives in chronic pain, that’s no excuse for harassing one of our users in this manner.
I believe that Eugene was sincere in his complaint, and he was very upset by the situation. PJ has all the power in this situation as a “power mod” and very active poster. Eugene is just a random user who was targeted for his political stance. And the fact you are defending PJ here instead of believing the victim is concerning to me. Much like the “believe women” slogan during the #metoo movement, my default position is to believe my upset users, not to side with the person bullying them. That’s just how we roll at dbzer0 and I’m not gonna apologize for it.
I mean, what’s the difference between your position here and something like, “Harvey Weinstein has made lots of great movies and nobody else has complained about him, so that woman must be lying”? There is no difference. PJ is just busy trying to launder his bruised reputation imo, and you are helping him with that project.
Phillip somehow claims he doesn’t have the time/energy to respond to this, but has been replying to everything else for hours.
I think he just wants to ignore you and say he wins.
Lol who knew he was such a pugjesus fanboy?
Anyone who can read.
How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban?
Assuming you’re not a PJ alt, I was surprised by your comment. It got me thinking.
I’m beginning to wonder if PJ has a psychological disorder. They have stretches of being a nice, helpful person, interspersed with being a melodramatic, rage baiting, borderline troll shit stirrer. They tend to delete many of their shitty comments, showing they know the behaviour is wrong, but are still known and disliked by many for that behaviour.
Exactly, tell me you look at Pug’s comment history and their moderation history and tell me he’s “drama free”.
Ya, pretty sure Phillip is one of PJ’s army of alts. The lad has issues.
Many issues that overlap but uniquely odd ones for each.
So many people are thin skinned and have nothing better to do than to spend their OWN FREE TIME making other people less happy. Imagine instead of having fun or relaxing or playing a game or going outside or hanging with friends … you stomp on other people because they have a differing opinion or said something you didn’t like. This person should not be a mod. This person has a miserable life.
So many people are thin skinned and have nothing better to do than to spend their OWN FREE TIME making other people less happy. Imagine instead of having fun or relaxing or playing a game or going outside or hanging with friends … you stomp on other people because they have a differing opinion or said something you didn’t like.
Thank you! Yeah, I 100% agree with all of this.
This person should not be a mod. This person has a miserable life.
Wait… do you mean PugJesus, or the person that banned him? I was 100% on board when I interpreted it as “the person that banned him,” yes.
This thread seems 100% full of people steaming up fake drama as enthusiastically as they possibly can, while also, accusing PJ of stirring up drama and apparently saying he should be banned for it.
This thread seems 100% full of people steaming up fake drama as enthusiastically as they possibly can, while also, accusing PJ of stirring up drama and apparently saying he should be banned for it.
You mean his documented actions and the consequences for his actions?
Pig is currently on a week long temper tantrum. He’s currently being a massive asshole to people. Ask me how I know.
Also weird how you’re not responding to the people who’ve proven you wrong here.
I saw that comment of yours about me not replying before, I just stopped caring before I was able to track it down since Piefed doesn’t have very good thread-navigation ability in big threads yet.
I was wrong about PugJesus being drama-free. It seems like some aggressively wrong people have baited him into extensive slap-fights about politics, and he may even have moderated some people from time to time about it. I said as much, the instant someone pointed it out to me, and then I moved on.
I don’t think him caring about politics is a sin, whichever side he’s on.
Was there anything else I was proven wrong about? If you want to bring it up, I’d be happy to address it.
Clearly you have no problem replying to other people, so it’s just odd you didn’t reply to others.
And no, pug just does that. Unless you’re just blind to his comments. Like how you said you’re unaware of him modding any communities while you’re active in the ones he moderates.
I don’t think him caring about politics is a sin, whichever side he’s on.
It’s not, it’s how he does it. You can adovate for good things but do it in such a way that no one wants to fight by your side.
Was there anything else I was proven wrong about? If you want to bring it up, I’d be happy to address it.
Oh just the admins who have replied and not gotta anything back.
My guy lol
If you want me to answer something you think I skipped over answering, ask it. If you’re just here to reiterate your perception of reality to me, I think I’ve had my fill of the duck season / rabbit season game for today.
How is it shouty? No caps just a rebuttal to your claims.
But hey, just keep digging your grave. You seem so cool and rational, siding with the abusers and not the abused.
It’s just a wild coincidence that you don’t respond to those who prove your wrong.
If you want me to answer something you think I skipped over answering, ask it. If you’re just here to reiterate your perception of reality to me, I think I’ve had my fill of the duck season / rabbit season game for today.
