I downvoted maybe half a dozen posts. They were all right-wing bullshit and I realized that’s all the user has ever posted so I got out of there. The next day I see more of his junk and go to downvote but can’t because I’m banned.
Sure it was a dick move to poke the bear about his lifestyle of only posting things that get downvoted, but he. Went. OFF!
Accusing me of alts, thinking I’m obsessed with him, message after message… I probably have more in my inbox right now but stitching this image together took long enough.
Turns out I’m still signed in and Lemmy’s image compression is shit. The week on Lemmy was enlightening and after I post this I will delete my account. Anyway, here’s a re-typed transcript because he edited out some of the weirder bits about milfs but I kept screenshots:
Me: Wait, wait, wait, you can’t be serious! You ban people for downvoting AND every single thing in your community is downvoted? Shit, life must be tough
DMJ: I don’t ban people for downvoting. I ban people for serial downvoting without interacting with the community.
Here’s the deal: That whole thing that ya think is fun, like downvoting every article in a community you don’t like is now starting to be seen as not cool. Lemmy has updated mod tools.
I’m not the only one on Lemmy who thinks this way. More and more mods and admins are getting tired of people trying to control narratives by just going around and downvoting a bunch of stuff at once.
Lemmy admin has updated mod tools just because of people like you. It’s actively talked about now. Look up “serial downvoting” and you’ll see that Lemmy admin has seen a pattern in what you all do and they are putting a stop to it.
Brah, you didn’t read the article, think to yourself, “hmmm, interesting, but some incorrect info. I should downvote because that’s not right.”
No, you didn’t do that. You went, “Fuck this MAGA asshole! Right-wing assholes have no right to be on Lemmy!” And just started downvoting every article. Without reading them. Without giving any thoughts.
You thought that maybe, just maybe, if you and enough people downvoted everything, maybe I would stop posting!
Guess what? Not happening. In fact, the more people downvote me, the more shit I post.
You are perfectly free to downvote anything you want. And I am perfectly free to ban you. See how that works?
And you just inspired me to post a bunch more stuff today. And that whole thing about maybe you should just come up with alts and downvote.
Cool, still won’t stop me. I’m never ever ever going to leave Lemmy. I’m never ever ever going to stop posting articles that I want to post.
Also, my life isn’t tough at all. In fact, I took early retirement, and I can do what I want whenever I want, all day every day. Forever. I get to fuck around on Lemmy. Or go to the pool. Or fuck milfs. Doesn’t matter. Through hard work, I became financially independent and won’t ever work a day in my life for the rest of my life. I’m also healthy and fit as fuck, so man, I am gonna live a really really long time. Ooops.
Feel free to just block and ignore me. Or hey, come up with alts and waste your time downvoting my posts. I’m not going anywhere.
Ever. :)
Me: Ha ha ha your skin is PAPER thin, man. This is neurotic.
Me: [picture of Voyager’s search screen showing “serial downvoting” having 0 search results]
Me: What an asshole
DMJ: Brah, I didn’t invent, nor push for, the tools to ban serial downvoters. Lemmy admin noticed it and has been talking about it with mods. So is there skin “PAPER thin,” too?
You’re the one all butthurt about not being able to downvote shit in a community you don’t even like.
You know, you could just move on and stay away from communites that you hate. You realize that there is more to life than bitching about politics on Lemmy, right?
And you didn’t and won’t bully me off of Lemmy by downvoting. I’m posting more stuff right now, so get your alts ready.
And be sure to click that downvote button really hard! Make sure you can hear that mouse click!
OR you can be the change you wanna see, and create your own community and mod it however you want. And when you get serial downvoters, just let them run free. Nothing stopping you from doing that.
DMJ: Awww, I see you are really mad that I stopped you from downvoting in a community that you hate.
Damn. Hmmm, what can we do about this, I mean, you had such fun trying to control the narrative and bully. And now you can’t. Crap! What can you do.
Well, you can create a bunch of alts, and then go around and try downvoting all over again.
Yeah, do that! I would very much love knowing that you are so pathetic and so pissed off over it that you spend your time creating alts just to downvote posts on Lemmy!
hahahahaha, please please please do that! You wasting your time doing that instead of making real change would be the most hilarious thing ever.
I think we could be friends if you do that. I know you don’t have a lot of friends. I can be your friend.
Wanna be friends now? Want me to hold your hand as you push that downvote button really hard? Would that make you feel better?
More messages not in the original image
DMJ: you try to portray yourself as someone that you’re not. You act like you’re not petty, you are. Funny how you posted “Lemmy.today and hilariouschaos.com for the same reason” when someone asked what communities or instances do you have blocked to make your Lemmy experience more enjoyable.
You said that you blocked those, but you haven’t. Not only haven’t you blocked them, you actively seek them out to downvote in them. When you get banned and you’re not allowed to downvote in there, you throw a fit. i bet you have a nice long list of alts so you can downvote, don’t ya? And that list is gonna grow today, isn’t it?
Me: Who do you think I am? After a handful of downvotes, you seem to think is your world ending and you ban me. You’re making a huge deal out of this. I’m not even talking about the ban. Whatever. I’m not allowed in your shitty communities anymore. From the looks of the modlog, half of lemmy is banned from the public diaries you call comms. Yeah, I think people should ban those instances, but… DING DING DING, we have a winner! Somebody realized I didn’t block them! Have a cookie. Get it yourself.
I’m glad you love whoever this person you think I am, but leave me alone. I don’t have a list of alts if you don’t count my soon to die lemm.ee account. I only downvoted you a handful of times because you are not worth my time. I’m apparently worth your time though. Paragraph after paragraph of what should probably be a therapy session are now in my inbox and I have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about half the time.
Post, don’t post, I. Do. Not. Give. A. Shit. You’re too scared/banned to post anywhere I care to spend my time, anyway. It’s more than obvious that I don’t need to do a thing for your posts to get the downvotes they deserve. Better go hurry and ban them too! If you want to be King of Lemmy then you better keep banning. Talk about controlling the fucking narrative…
DMJ: you should be happy I banned you, because now you don’t have to deal with me anymore. See? Win-win for you, guy!bYou are worth my time. I think everyone is worthy of being loved. I’m here for you.
Paragraph after paragraph of what should probably be a therapy session are now in my inbox and I have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about half the time.
Oh you can delete those, it’s easy. That way you won’t have to be so troubled by them. I can see that it’s weighing heavily on you. i feel so badd that I send you replies that take 30 seconds to read. How could I?! The horror!!!
It’s more than obvious that I don’t need to do a thing for your posts to get the downvotes they deserve.
You don’t have to do the work then. Others are. you ca be happy now!
If you want to be King of Lemmy then you better keep banning
“Better to be a King in Hell, than a Follower in Heaven.”
Thank you for your life-changing advice. Now we can be friends? Kiss and make up? Come on, let’s be friends. It’ll beeee fun!!
So friends?
Me: I’ve made my last post on Lemmy. Thanks for showing me how open minded and not-like-reddit it is. You sir can have a fantastic day. I will no longer be signing in.
DMJ: I don’t think you should stop posting on reddit. I did just see your post about me in the power tripping bastards community and l posted you a relevant post from that community as well. I feel that you misrepresented it, and make it sound like I am stalking you via DM, I’m replying to your DM’s and you DM’d me first. I have a shot of our entire conversation Don’t leave Lemmy just because you had a disagreement with me. Block me and move on with your day and continue with Lemmy. nothing we have talked about worth quitting over.
What a sad person
PTB
I fucking love this picture
Congratulations! You just had a run in with DJM/Universalmonk/BarryGoldwater/ I lost track of the rest of his alts.
I suppose I should count myself lucky that I haven’t heard of/experienced this dude before, what’s their deal?
UM used to post a ton of conservative bullshit, then would get offended when it was downvoted into oblivion, then would go off on unrelated rants and would message people heinous bullshit. We’re talking posting and commenting like it was a full time job. That account got banned, and he created a bunch of alts on other instances to get around it. It was always suspected that DJM was an UM alt, and then was confirmed when he posted one of UM’s rants word for word. Once you know what to look for it’s pretty obvious. Most of the accounts I know of were created on the same day, have the same style of weird AI created avatar (pretty sure they’re made using the Dream app by Womble), and all have some sort of vaguely libertarian sounding quote in their profile.
I think there’s a few posts about UM on fediverse lore as well.
That explains why they accused OP of having alts, every accusation and all that.
Actually no. I have nothing to do with OP or the communities he was banned from. He’s not banned from any of my communities. I don’t have any alt names. I have this name on alt instances, but no alt names. And all my posts on all my instances are public.
It was always suspected that DJM was an UM alt, and then was confirmed when he posted one of UM’s rants word for word.
Word-for-word rant?! I’ve seen others say that too, but I’ve never seen it. Any receipts? I even looked on my own. I am not finding any word for word rant. You have a link to the rant? I have never DM’d any “heinous bullshit.” Again, any proof or links or screenshots? OP is not banned in any of my communities. But if he went in my communites and downvoted a bunch of shit and as he admitted to, “poked the bear,” then I’d prolly ban him too. Like others have been saying and doing.
Off-topic tho. I have nothing to do with OP or the post.
EDIT: Let’s just move on. I’m not the subject of OP’s situation. Unless you have proof of the word-for-word rant that the guy supposedly took from me–then we can keep going. I haven’t seen any of that in his post history tho
That’s not how the disengage rule works. It’s not a trump card to have the last word in.
Fair point. I was trying to keep from a slapfighting removal. It’s a fine line between defending myself, and having the arguments just keep going on. So maybe saying “Let’s move on” would have been more appropriate, I’ve edited comment. I’m not the subject of OP’s post so I wasn’t sure how to defend myself when people say it’s me, but I don’t wanna be accused of a slapfight.
I think defending yourself against libel is OK, but you can just write in the end that you’re not interested in arguing about this further. If they then try to argue with you, just reply with ‘disengage’
Ahhh! Ok, yep, that makes more sense. Edited my comment, and I’ll edit my others as well.
Lemmy.world has been pretty good about blocking the alts as they come up because they like derailing threads, baiting users into breaking rules, arguing pointless semantics, rule lawyering and/or making everything about themselves.
What you are saying is true, just has nothing to do with me. My post history is public.
Not me. Not my community. Not my issue. I don’t have alt names. I’m on a couple other instances but under this name. I’m not involved or even mentioned in OP, so not sure why you’re bringing me into it.
Gotta love how people make shit up about users they dislike.
It’s disturbing just how effective this campaign has been. I think part of the reason is that many admins just tend to go along with the consensus when these things are occurring, because it’s easier to take someone’s word for whats going on than actually look at all the details, especially when it’s been playing out over years now. We’ve all been guilty of this.
But the fact is:
- trolls exist
- trolls can use a vpn
- trolls can create an impersonation account and act like an insane arsehole
- trolls can report that account as being an alt of universal monk
Multiply that a dozen times and you have a successful mud slinging campaign to get someone multi-instance banned.
I will agree at time’s UM has been… unsaviory and dickish, but its just bizarre lemmy wants him gone, instead of any of the major players that make other instances horrid. The ones who join places, act like a dick, then cry when the mess gets cleaned up.
I don’t enjoy associating with people who admit that they intentionally antagonize other people so they get in trouble. That really, really, really sticks in my craw. Not understanding social norms or the billions of things that aren’t said in rules, or how some folks can violate things that are and others can’t, is a massive noose around the neck of people who are neurologically atypical, so someone claiming they do those things but ‘only’ against people they deem deserve it is a massive problem for me.
is a massive noose around the neck of people who are neurologically atypical
What does this mean? I’m not being a dick, I genuinely would like to know what you are referring to. Can you explain that a bit more.
I think you’re saying that it’s already difficult enough for neuro-atypical people to process things, so that when you see someone you think is being intentionally annoying, it frustrates you. But I’m not sure how that relates to this thread. Are you talking about shitposting or something else?
You don’t have to explain if it’s upsetting to you or anything. Or DM me if you prefer to keep it private. (I’m being serious, not sarcastic)
Any names in mind?
Rheori (if I’m spelling that right), FreedomAdvocate, SatansMoldyCumFart, and PugJesus has been routinely rude to various instances and then cries when banned for it.
Also various mods of .world have had some of the worst moderation possible. Banning for disagreeing despite evidence proving them wrong.
It’s basically how .ml treats anything about China. Proving them wrong means you’re banned.
trolls can create an impersonation account and act like an insane arsehole trolls can report that account as being an alt of universal monk
Yep! I’m pretty sure I’ve even wrote to admin of this instance to point out when someone started impersonating me. It got to be so many accounts that I stopped doing that though.
At peak UM hate, there were something like 45 instances with my name that were not me. Some guy hated me so much he’d make a list of all the instances, and post it to every conversation I was involved in. lol
Also saw a few fun ones like, “REALUniversalMonk” and “UniMonk” and “UniversalMonksHairyArse” or something like that, but those never lasted long because they’d just get banned immediately when they posted weird ass nazi shit anyway.
It’s pretty much died down recently. Most people know I post just from this one, sh.itjust.works and piefed.feddit. This is my main one tho, because…pirates!
I was on slrpnk, but to your point, a mob campaign started, so the admin there gave me a heads up they were banning and deleting me. Even tho I had never posted anything political at all from that account. But he gave me time to switch everything over before he deleted all my stuff, so he’s cool people.
To be honest, I’m surprised that admins even let my name be started on other instances now!
At peak UM hate, there were something like 45 instances with my name that were not me. Some guy hated me so much he’d make a list of all the instances, and post it to every conversation I was involved in. lol
I recall that, and someone started impersonating one of our users with transphobic trolling shit, talking about pig pet play stuff. Weird as well.
They could just… go on with their lives. Instead they dedicate hundreds of hours into this instead of reading a book, watching movies, playing games, etc.
OP, could you provide a Ctrl+C Ctrl+V of the conversation? It’s practically impossible to read it from the picture.
Anyway. I don’t think the voting system is the right way to handle this shit; if the mod is a troll (as other comments here say), it’s probably better to gather people affected by the troll, then contact the admins of the instance of the community in question. A few things might happen:
- Admins don’t intervene. Avoid instance, throw shit on the fan, call for defederation, yadda yadda.
- Admins intervene. Problem solved.
Either way don’t interact with the comm. Not even downvoting. You’re basically giving it activity.
Good advice, as usual
Just checked my inbox… At what point does it become harassment?
EDIT: Well it was a shitty 6 days while it lasted.
I’m pretty sure that user trolls on a bunch of different accounts.
Ignore them the fediverse is much better without them.
Definitely PTB.
OP never suggested that, and never mentioned any alt accounts, so it’s strange you would bring that up.
I want to say CLM… If a community really doesn’t want downvotes, why not setup the community on an instance that doesn’t do downvoting?
If downvoting is “manipulation” just because you don’t like it… why allow downvotes at all? Lemmy supports disabling downvotes. It’s a checkbox for the admin. It’s easy.
Because people don’t like instances where they can’t vote but the admin wants their space to be popular while maintaining ideological control.
Good point, but if the admin doesn’t disable downvotes like you are saying, then the mod can’t do anything about that. It would be cool if mods had the ability to disable downvotes.
Then talk with your other mods… close that community and open one somewhere that does disable them. I just don’t buy the excuse in the 3 pixel image from the mod basically blanket saying that downvotes are just for manipulation… Yeah I’d be a loser to go somewhere and only downvote every single thing… but I don’t see how 100% of a single user downvoting literally every item is manipulation at all, everything would go down pretty equally.
I go out of my way to downvote things that I think don’t contribute. I don’t necessarily upvote everything that does contribute, but things that I believe contribute extraordinarily. So if you were to look at my vote history this mod might think that I’m “mass vote manipulating”. That’s kind of crazy to put yourself under such workload to look at all votes like that. If downvote manipulation is the worry, just disabled the downvote or move somewhere that has already disabled the downvotes.
I’m only going by the information that the OP posted. OP did say ‘…so I got out of there. The next day I see more of his junk and go to downvote but can’t because I’m banned.’ and then he goes on to admit ‘Sure it was a dick move to poke the bear about his lifestyle of only posting things that get downvoted’
So it seems like he posted to just get a reaction. And it looks like he dm’d the mod first, making fun of him and mod responded. But neither he or the OP have responded to any of the comments in the thread, so we have no idea of what’s really going on.
Most of my communities are here on dbzer0 and sh.itjustworks, so I have no desire to move. But I did hear that a new update was coming up to allow more tools for mods. Maybe what you are suggesting is in there?
What do the pixels say?
Donald J Musk. One of the biggest trolls on Lemmy.
I think I see an unironic ‘Brah’ in there.
Listen . . . (shhhh)
To what the troll DM pixels say . . .Ah-aahhh-ahhhh-ahhhh-ahhh-ahhhhhh
I read this in Michael McKean’s singing voice.
Clearly you are someone of refined taste and culture.
This is precisely why the fediverse needs private voting, and is the number 1 reason to support Piefed.
And miss this?
I like public voting. Yes, it can be abused by powertripping mods, but it also makes detecting bots and brigading much easier. That’s going to be increasingly important as the fediverse grows.
You really want every post you’ve ever voted on archived forever by every instance on the fediverse? You don’t see any deeper security or privacy concerns with that?
The user agent approach currently used by piefed still makes it easy to detect brigading because the agent is static in the short term. You can ban the agent and you basically deny the user the ability to vote. With a few simple modifications to the activity pub protocol, all individual actions can be cryptographically authenticated without the need for plaintext user strings at all.
The reality is that the plaintext user agents doesn’t even prevent abuse by a rogue instance, since such an instance could just generate infinite users anyway. Piefed actually makes this easier to identify by tracking other metrics for individual user agents, like vote ratios.
Edit: Accidently hit send while I was drafting this, so sorry if you saw it before when it was chaotic.
You really want every post you’ve ever voted on archived forever by every instance on the fediverse? You don’t see any deeper security or privacy concerns with that?
Well, with that history someone could certainly see small impressions of me, like what I like and dislike and how much I engage with different topics. I could only see that being used against my account in these ways:
- For targeted advertising
- To shame me to other users
- To ban me from a community/instance for wrongthink essentially
- To train AI to better impersonate real people
1 seems unlikely to be an issue anytime soon just with the way the fediverse is set up. Unless the host of my account is the one sending ads, the only way to direct ads to me specifically would be through another user account either DMing me or replying to my comments/posts, and I could just block and report that user.
2 and 3 would be more practical concerns, except with or without public voting, they already have a better insight available. Just by looking at my profile, a user can already see my posts/comments, and those are going to reveal much more than voting ever would. So I don’t see public voting making this more of something to worry about.
4 is feasible, as votes are much easier to digest than comments/posts, but really AI is probably already at a level where it could vote like whatever kind of person it intends to imitate already. And honestly, any particular individual’s contribution to big data is going to be almost negligible.
I don’t see any real life consequences for me based on my user voting be publicly available. If someone did want to harass me irl, I would need to first give away enough revealing information so that they could identify me. And in that case, once again, my comments/posts would surely be what would incite them, not my voting. So long as issues are limited to virtual me, I can easily make an alt on the off-chance my reputation in unsalvageable or something.
The tracking with PieFed you described does seem impressive, so I guess the benefits I mentioned earlier aren’t as relevant. I guess I should admit I personally like being able to look at people’s activity and make judgements about them. So seeing their voting history helps satisfy my own nosiness. 😅
No voting at all would be my preference. Piefed is awesome though.
taps temple Can’t get harassed in DMs if you constantly forget that they exist.
Looks like you DMed them, and now you’re getting pissy that they went off on you? Don’t be a douche and go bitching in PMs then.
BPR, and judging from the young age of your account, you’re an alt of someone else trying to start shit. There’s no way somebody brand new to Lemmy would know to start a post here after a single week.
Yeah, I thought about a Lemm.ee alt due to the shutdown, but no other account exists with that name.
7 day old account seems sus.
He hasn’t responded to any of the posts in the thread. Neither has the mod.
Spoiler alert: OP and that mod are the same guy and this is a social experiment in mob-think and he’s just mindfucking everybody.
Spoiler spoiler alert: Everyone thinks it’s me and the three of us are all the same person doing it.
Spoiler spoiler spoiler alert: OP, the mod, you, and me are me, but I’m also most of the comments in this thread because everyone knows I am every Lemmy. Everyone is my alt!! We’re all me! Fuckin’ glorious.
(/s in case not obvious)
All: I get that you all really enjoy busting my balls, and it’s fun to speculate. But OP hasn’t mentioned me. OP is not banned from any of my communities. None of what OP is talking about has anything to do with me.
In this thread (at the time I’m writing this), there are maybe 2 or 3 replies about the actual OP complaint. The rest are about me and how I have ruined Lemmy. Cool story bro, but NOT cool to the original poster.
Have some respect for OP. How’d you feel if you posted what you thought was a valid complaint, then the whole fucking thread devolved into talking about an entirely different subject?
You don’t need to voice ur suspicion that you think I’m the OP or the mod or whatever the fuck latest Universal Monk Eats Russian Cock for Bitcoin conspiracy is or that I am for sure, positive, without a doubt, ok well 90 percent sure every single boogy man you hate. We get it.
Most n00bs don’t give a fuck that I didn’t carefully shave and suck Biden’s nutsack while looking up into his thoughtful loving eyes and saying, ‘I love capitalism daddy Biden, I love it.’ Stick to the subject of OP’s situation, and calm the fuck down. Talking about me seems to be way off-topic.
I’m not the conservative mod that OP is talking about. Why in the world would I have two completely different personas on opposite sides of the political spectrum? Why would I post hundreds of socialist and pro-union articles, then go post conservative shit under another name? Y’all have lost your damn minds.
I constantly see people having a melt down over you…
Who did you hurt haja
Before the US election, I was openly pro–third party. I supported the Green Party, then switched to a Socialist party. At the time, Lemmy was hostile toward anyone not backing Biden and Harris. If you mentioned third-party voting, people called you a traitor or a Russian plant. Since I didn’t vote for Biden, they assumed I was voting for Trump—even though I actually voted for Socialist party.
Lemmy’s more open to third parties now that both major parties have shown their flaws, but the old ‘UM is a conservative’ smear stuck. Never mind that I voted socialist and have posted hundreds of articles on socialism, anarchism, piracy, and third-party politics.
If I were actually conservative like they are saying, why would I post hundreds (literally hundreds!) of socialist and pro-union articles? Wouldn’t that negatively affect any conservative views?!
My entire post history is public on this instance and other instances: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=TopAll&view=Posts
The fuck are people thinking? lol
Also, OP isn’t banned from any of my communities, so no idea why people seem to think the post is about me. OP never mentioned me, and I have nothing to do with OP’s post. So no idea why people are bringing me up in the thread.
Yeah got censored on several occasions for shilling third party as a way to deny the regime legitimacy.
DNC komissars were getting big triggered by it but you must have made an extra strong impression for them to go around to bully you lol
Yeah got censored on several occasions for shilling third party as a way to deny the regime legitimacy.
Some Lemmy’s have short memory and conveniently forget that this used to happen all the time. Now Lemmy is pretty cool with third-party advocacy. But just 8 months ago, it was ban-worthy to say you were pro third-party! lmao
but you must have made an extra strong impression for them to go around to bully you
I never backed down. That made them very angry. They even started a fediverse article titled “I’m calling for the Fediverse to Ban Universal Monk.” Someone posted a link to it in this thread. Even in that though, there was nothing that I did that was ban-worthy.
Seems weird to start an entire post about someone, but ban the subject of the post from being able to reply.
A lot of Lemmy’s like to say they stand for diversity. But they don’t mean diversity of viewpoints.
The next day I see more of his junk and go to downvote but can’t because I’m banned. Sure it was a dick move to poke the bear about his lifestyle of only posting things that get downvoted,
Sounds like you were looking for a fight. From your very tiny low-res submitted example, looks like you dm’d him first. You downvoted a bunch of shit, got banned, then dm’d him to mock him. Then he replied. Now you’re mad?
Don’t go starting shit in places, dm them to brag about it, then come here and be upset about how he replied back. Based on info so far, YDI or at least BPR.
I’m so glad we’re hearing both sides, lol
Lemmy is a shit platform filled with idiots, you need to learn to use the tools which allow you to block users and filter out communities.
Forget the idea that you’re part of some kind of community, it’s fake. Just tune your content fire hose to what you need and get on with life.
Blocks and filters make people soft.
I suggest raw dogging social media and growing a thick skin to deal with it.
“Quote from Twitter user after Elon Musk bought the platform”
Not sure why this got down votes. This is the proper approach.
You got agency, use it.
I don’t think Lemmy is a shit platform. But it does amaze me how many people don’t tune it to the content they like. That’s one of the great things about Lemmy!
I don’t understand why so many people keep going to communites they hate. Block that shit and move on.
