The reason why drag misunderstood the situation is because Ada broke a promise. Drag thought she kept it because drag trusted her. She thought drag was trying to make her look bad by proving she lied. But… drag couldn’t know the promise was broken, because it was to have a conversation in private messages. Drag thought the third party involved was lying that Ada didn’t do it. Drag was trying to prove them wrong by showing the promise. Drag didn’t know that proving Ada made a promise would make her look bad.
Is there any perceivable grammatical difference between that, and third person speech? You realize how confusing it is for people who hear third person speech every day but have never heard first person person-independent pronouns before, right?
How did you start using your neopronouns anyways? I don’t think I’ve ever seen you mention that before, and I’m curious.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t. I’m wondering why you would. Why choose (was it a choice?) these pronouns if you know they are likely to cause confusion and therefore conflict?
They make drag feel like a dragon rider, and they expand your mind so you’ll be more tolerant of the next neopronoun user you meet. What you’re calling confusion might, drag thinks, be the feeling of learning something. Drag hopes you can come to enjoy it.
Yes, I see the parallels to the reactions people have had to meeting other minority groups in the past. To be honest I don’t know if I’ll ever understand or enjoy it, but I respect your right to self-determination so I hope you are enjoying it. Thanks for explaining.
People tend to cringe at weirdos who try to impose their incredibly niche language choices onto others
Like that guy who insisted on speaking exclusively in older English spellings (and was, like drag, a massive troll that was successful for a shockingly long time)
The people who are so annoyed by your/drag’s language remind me of the ones who complain so much about others watching videos or listening to music on their phones without headphones.
They really consider their minds and consciousness to be a sanctified space. Since one cannot filter the live input from the world, they expect the mods of the universe to do it for them.
While the atypical pronoun usage can be confusing, it obviously isn’t a personal attack against you.
Ever since drag started using neopronouns, drag has learned that confusing other people is an act of violence. They genuinely feel hurt by it. Drag is sure exactly why, but it might be an ego thing. Possibly drag is making other people feel stupid when they don’t understand. Whatever the cause is, it’s very clear when people talk about incidents where drag upset someone by using a neopronoun. Random bystanders who’ve never met drag before seem to overwhelmingly agree drag is rude, aggressive, confrontational, forcing the conversation… people could only react that way so strongly if they felt that they saw an attack.
At this point drag has just accepted that using drag’s pronouns is violent behaviour. And drag is going to keep doing it, because people who are uncomfortable seeing neopronouns deserve to feel that way. Either they convince the people in charge to punish drag, they keep on being uncomfortable forever, or they grow up. Drag wants the third to happen.
“I” is the most genderless pronoun in existence - is it not? It literally means me, as a singular human entity. Linguistically I am yet to see any valid argument for its exclusion or substitution in speech. I get the whole problem with he/her etc - there are a specific niche of humans where those words are not sufficient nor apt to describe them and thankfully language then evolved for the sake of inclusivity.
Drag knows a lot of nonhumans and decided to choose a first person pronoun for a dragon rider. After all, dragon riders aren’t entirely human. The magical bond changes us. And a dragon rider is no longer a single individual. Not in battle, not in soul. Drag is soulbound.
Delusions are false ideas or beliefs that someone holds onto, even when there is evidence that they are not real. These beliefs are not shared by other people from the same:
cultural background
religion
social group
Not a delusion. Believing in dragons is completely normal in drag’s cultural background, religion, and social group. If you like, drag can refer you to a few discord servers for dragonkin - otherkin who identify as dragons. Drag can also introduce you to @HonouraryDragon@lemmy.nz, drag’s fiance and dragon.
The alternative to respecting cultural beliefs is cultural intolerance. You’re arguing for cultural intolerance to be part of the ethics of the left. Drag thinks that’s gross.
Drag’s dragon doesn’t identify as male, and wouldn’t like being called a bro. Drag thinks you called a nonbinary person a “bro” for the same reason you don’t respect its species identity - you’re a conservative. You don’t get to have any input on leftist ideas until you stop misgendering trans people.
We all eat plastic these days, it’s the modern thing to do, like huffing lead in days of yore.
Who’s to say it’s dumb? I am not one to presume. Besides, my cats are really smart. They catch moths and everything. Please don’t refer to my kitties as dumb…that hurts my feelings
If Noel calls themself Noelself then Noel is not using a pronoun but rather Noel is referring to Noelself in the third person - and unnecessarily cluttering-up a sentence.
But, fuck Noel’s life, that’s just Noel’s opinion.
And… forgive me for saying so, but they’re tedious, at best. That’s not punching down on anyone’s identity. It’s a commentary on how such neologisms make parsing a sentence far less reflexive and a good bit more unnecessarily arcane, without actually communicating any level of additional meaningful information or context.
It’s quite easy, when you read “drag”, it means “I”, that’s literally the extent of it.
But let’s dig into this a little. Your argument covers literally half of all words. Let’s take this comment as an example, we want to strip everything out of it that doesn’t communicate.
Tedious. No insult, but. Many words make sentence long, add no value.
No one adheres to this because it makes you sound like a damn caveman. But if you feel so strongly about this, that’s how you prune all the unnecessary cognitive load from your speech.
But if replacing one meaningless pronoun with another meaningless pronoun is so arcane that you can’t parse the meaning of the sentence afterward, there’s always the option of just not engaging with it. It doesn’t harm you or anyone else and it isn’t hate speech so just let people express themselves how they want to.
I also find Picasso’s cubist paintings to be tedious to look at but you don’t see me trying to tell him that he’s painting The Weeping Woman the wrong way.
Thank you, but drag thinks you’re wrong. Drag doesn’t think Ada is the forgiving type. The mistake drag made that lead to getting banned was trusting Ada would keep her promise. Like drag said, drag learned from it. No more trusting Ada.
Drag recognises that’s not a good foundation for reconciliation. But that’s what it feels like Ada was trying to teach drag with the ban. How else is drag supposed to interpret that?
The reason why drag misunderstood the situation is because Ada broke a promise. Drag thought she kept it because drag trusted her. She thought drag was trying to make her look bad by proving she lied. But… drag couldn’t know the promise was broken, because it was to have a conversation in private messages. Drag thought the third party involved was lying that Ada didn’t do it. Drag was trying to prove them wrong by showing the promise. Drag didn’t know that proving Ada made a promise would make her look bad.
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you referring to yourself in the third person? Is this supposed to be cute?
No, drag is referring to dragself in first person using person-independent pronouns.
Is there any perceivable grammatical difference between that, and third person speech? You realize how confusing it is for people who hear third person speech every day but have never heard first person person-independent pronouns before, right?
How did you start using your neopronouns anyways? I don’t think I’ve ever seen you mention that before, and I’m curious.
Do you want drag to avoid confusing other people by exposing them to unfamiliar kinds of pronouns?
I’m not saying you shouldn’t. I’m wondering why you would. Why choose (was it a choice?) these pronouns if you know they are likely to cause confusion and therefore conflict?
They make drag feel like a dragon rider, and they expand your mind so you’ll be more tolerant of the next neopronoun user you meet. What you’re calling confusion might, drag thinks, be the feeling of learning something. Drag hopes you can come to enjoy it.
Yes, I see the parallels to the reactions people have had to meeting other minority groups in the past. To be honest I don’t know if I’ll ever understand or enjoy it, but I respect your right to self-determination so I hope you are enjoying it. Thanks for explaining.
They’ve done it on all the comments I’ve seen from them, I cringe hard every time.
Like a pretentious teenager getting off on the smell of their own farts
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You cringe when people use language differently than you?
People tend to cringe at weirdos who try to impose their incredibly niche language choices onto others
Like that guy who insisted on speaking exclusively in older English spellings (and was, like drag, a massive troll that was successful for a shockingly long time)
So drag using a word to refer to dragself is an imposition on you?
The people who are so annoyed by your/drag’s language remind me of the ones who complain so much about others watching videos or listening to music on their phones without headphones.
They really consider their minds and consciousness to be a sanctified space. Since one cannot filter the live input from the world, they expect the mods of the universe to do it for them.
Or they don’t like the fact that he’s a transphobic helicopter meme who is taking advantage of pronouns to mock people.
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Ever since drag started using neopronouns, drag has learned that confusing other people is an act of violence. They genuinely feel hurt by it. Drag is sure exactly why, but it might be an ego thing. Possibly drag is making other people feel stupid when they don’t understand. Whatever the cause is, it’s very clear when people talk about incidents where drag upset someone by using a neopronoun. Random bystanders who’ve never met drag before seem to overwhelmingly agree drag is rude, aggressive, confrontational, forcing the conversation… people could only react that way so strongly if they felt that they saw an attack.
At this point drag has just accepted that using drag’s pronouns is violent behaviour. And drag is going to keep doing it, because people who are uncomfortable seeing neopronouns deserve to feel that way. Either they convince the people in charge to punish drag, they keep on being uncomfortable forever, or they grow up. Drag wants the third to happen.
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I disagree. I don’t think I would have had any clue what was going on if drag had chosen a different pronoun.
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“I” is the most genderless pronoun in existence - is it not? It literally means me, as a singular human entity. Linguistically I am yet to see any valid argument for its exclusion or substitution in speech. I get the whole problem with he/her etc - there are a specific niche of humans where those words are not sufficient nor apt to describe them and thankfully language then evolved for the sake of inclusivity.
Drag knows a lot of nonhumans and decided to choose a first person pronoun for a dragon rider. After all, dragon riders aren’t entirely human. The magical bond changes us. And a dragon rider is no longer a single individual. Not in battle, not in soul. Drag is soulbound.
Are we really going to let playing into complete delusion be part of the ethics that shape left wing progressive culture and politics?
We all know this user does not ride or fuck* or magically bond with a fucking dragon. It’s not something we should “respect”.
*(u/dragonfucker@lemmy.nz is their actual username, “Dragon Rider (drag)” is just a display name.)
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/delusions
Not a delusion. Believing in dragons is completely normal in drag’s cultural background, religion, and social group. If you like, drag can refer you to a few discord servers for dragonkin - otherkin who identify as dragons. Drag can also introduce you to @HonouraryDragon@lemmy.nz, drag’s fiance and dragon.
The alternative to respecting cultural beliefs is cultural intolerance. You’re arguing for cultural intolerance to be part of the ethics of the left. Drag thinks that’s gross.
Yes, I’m arguing for intolerance of this, your ERP bro isn’t a dragon.
Drag’s dragon doesn’t identify as male, and wouldn’t like being called a bro. Drag thinks you called a nonbinary person a “bro” for the same reason you don’t respect its species identity - you’re a conservative. You don’t get to have any input on leftist ideas until you stop misgendering trans people.
Aye-aye, dream that dream. We all gotta reach for something.
I’m reminded of a few nonhumans whom I know!
They’re called cats, and they similarly eat a lot of plastic.
Are you using plastic-eating as a way to call drag dumb without breaking the instance rule about civility?
We all eat plastic these days, it’s the modern thing to do, like huffing lead in days of yore.
Who’s to say it’s dumb? I am not one to presume. Besides, my cats are really smart. They catch moths and everything. Please don’t refer to my kitties as dumb…that hurts my feelings
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If Noel calls themself Noelself then Noel is not using a pronoun but rather Noel is referring to Noelself in the third person - and unnecessarily cluttering-up a sentence.
But, fuck Noel’s life, that’s just Noel’s opinion.
And… forgive me for saying so, but they’re tedious, at best. That’s not punching down on anyone’s identity. It’s a commentary on how such neologisms make parsing a sentence far less reflexive and a good bit more unnecessarily arcane, without actually communicating any level of additional meaningful information or context.
Yup, I pretty much agree with all that you say.
It’s quite easy, when you read “drag”, it means “I”, that’s literally the extent of it.
But let’s dig into this a little. Your argument covers literally half of all words. Let’s take this comment as an example, we want to strip everything out of it that doesn’t communicate.
No one adheres to this because it makes you sound like a damn caveman. But if you feel so strongly about this, that’s how you prune all the unnecessary cognitive load from your speech.
But if replacing one meaningless pronoun with another meaningless pronoun is so arcane that you can’t parse the meaning of the sentence afterward, there’s always the option of just not engaging with it. It doesn’t harm you or anyone else and it isn’t hate speech so just let people express themselves how they want to.
I also find Picasso’s cubist paintings to be tedious to look at but you don’t see me trying to tell him that he’s painting The Weeping Woman the wrong way.
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I get to dictate exactly what I respect.
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If you insist on respecting that user’s identity, I suggest you first open their profile and look at what they actually mean by “drag/dragon rider”.
Drag is a fucking scalie who wants to be referred to by their kink.
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Thank you, but drag thinks you’re wrong. Drag doesn’t think Ada is the forgiving type. The mistake drag made that lead to getting banned was trusting Ada would keep her promise. Like drag said, drag learned from it. No more trusting Ada.
Drag recognises that’s not a good foundation for reconciliation. But that’s what it feels like Ada was trying to teach drag with the ban. How else is drag supposed to interpret that?
Are we really going to discuss such personal issues in public without the other person present? To me this seems unprompted and very unethical.
Drag can’t discuss it with Ada. Drag’s banned. You can invite her to this conversation if you like. It would work if you messaged her
That doesn’t make it right to discuss it here. It’s the fediverse, why do you care if you’re banned? Just make an account somewhere else
Ada isn’t good at being the bigger person.
Don’t expect her to help find a resolution here.
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Drag isn’t a dragon. Do you think you’ve seen a comment where drag says drag is a dragon? Please share it.