I’ve been seeing Jordan Lunds name on YePowerTrippingBastards for ages but I’ll be honest? I didn’t really read any of the posts. To those who know me, I generally stay within the meme area or over in my Star Trek corner getting angry over dumb shit. I am a known asshole and plenty of people do not like me so when it comes to general threads talking about people, I don’t often care. But then I started seeing his name pop up as a reason to not go to either Lemmy.world or Lemmy as a whole because the moderation here was so extreme. Now I’ve done deep dives in the past where I drew up a metric ton of evidence against Startrek.Website and ValueSubtracted/Corgana for actively abusing their users, harassing people across multiple websites, driving misinformation and lying/gaslighting about everything under the sun. Check this first post or this post as examples of both of them being horrible people but also of the type of shit that I do.

So when I saw these accusations I figured let’s look into it. The problem was that a significant portion of posts about Jordan are really heavily biased. All of them are from people who had active interactions with him and had a “dog in the fight”. Me? The only times I’ve ever talked to him have been in passing, casual conversation either in lemmy comments or on Discord servers. I have probably had comments removed from /c/world and /c/news in the past, I vaguely recall that happening, but I also remember being fine with it. I get heated so whatever.

Every post and comment that I saw on here were from people who were worked up. Either he had pissed them off or vice versa or both. This does not mean that the posts aren’t based in reality or a lie. But it does mean that it is easier for someone to dismiss as just being trolls, something that I have actually seen happen with concerns from this community in the past. Not particularly for Jordan (although, yes, for Jordan) but just in general. Whether that be from other users, other mods or other admins the reaction can be the same. But I have no such connection. So let me lay out a variety of behaviors that not only demonstrate that Jordan is unfit to moderate any community, but that he’s a danger not just to the communities he moderates, not just lemmy.world, but the entirety of Lemmy as a whole. This man is doing generational damage to Lemmy that I’ve not seen any other user do.

Before I kick all this off, I just want to say that I have only been looking into this for about 6-7 hours. This is by no means comprehensive. There are going to be things left out because I’m simply not going to be aware of all of it. If you’d like to add more context or clarification, please be calm and clear about it and add any evidence to the comment section. Also want to say that I don’t want to type Jordan out constantly so I’m just going to say JL. Lemmy.world is also going to be shortened to LW. A few others might pop up. I’m just fucking lazy.

The job of a moderator is to apply the rules in an unbiased fashion. To read the rules, interpret them if needed and then carry them out. Personal influence is not supposed to be a part of it. You’re supposed to treat it like a position of authority and respect, to respect the position and not abuse it. Now, I am 100% guilty of this in the past (Search my name on here) but it’s also one of the reasons why I stepped down as a mod of the majority of communities and why the few ones I still have are treated far more lightly. I turned into what I hate and that’s completely on me. I realized I was turning into a terrible person and left. Jordan has not had this realization despite numerous people pointing this out to him. Instead he will say stuff like:

or other things like:

or ones like this:

Now, let’s temporarily ignore the fact that he went into YPTP to actively antagonize and harass multiple users, we’ll get back to that, just look alone at what this behavior is saying. He’s saying that if you don’t antagonize him then he won’t antagonize you. That it is “fair fucking game” to increase harassment of a user if one harasses him. This is a repugnant and troll-like mindset at the best of times but in the hands of a moderator it is genuinely dangerous. Those two comments alone call into question every single removal or moderator action he has ever taken. He has demonstrated an inability to remain unbiased. That’s all those comments are saying but they say an enormous amount.

But let us take a look at some of the actions he has taken, shall we?

A few months ago a Canadian used a Canadian term in referencing Canadian politics and a Canadian Government. Jordan Lund, an American, misunderstood what was being said. Instead of asking for clarification, the post was instantly removed with the logic of “Misinformation”. Now, as a Canadian, the idea of an American telling a Canadian that they’re misinformed about their own government isn’t one that we as Canadians are typically fond of. Even less so when JL decided to double down and ignore anyone telling he was wrong. This is a running trend. Jordan is routinely faced with the real facts of the matter and not what he believes and every time he just leaves the conversation. When faced with irrevocable proof that he is wrong on any community that he is not a moderator of, he disengages. This is another demonstrable behavior that questions his abilities as a moderator. He is unwilling (or incapable) of admitting on being wrong.

“But Stamets, that’s just one example!” Okay. Then how about months later when questioned on the literal exact same moment? @Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com called him out and again he dodged any responsibility. He ignored anyone proving him wrong and doubled down on his false understanding of reality. Not only is this woeful behavior for a mod but he’s also the moderator of /c/World. With that behavior he has now categorically proven that /c/World is American-Centric to the point of rejecting any wording that isn’t done in a way understandable by an ignorant American. Another moment that calls into question whether or not Jordan is capable of being impartial would be removing someones comment so they could continue the exact same argument with someone else.

But I did mention earlier that we’d get back to this so let us. Jordan has demonstrated time and time again that he looks for a fight, actively enjoys trolling, and wants to be as antagonistic as humanly possible. There are times he’s summoned into YPTB with an @ but other times he isn’t. Honestly I don’t want to go through each and everyone of these showing that this is shitty, troll-like and antagonistic behavior. You should be able to tell yourself. The fact that the mod is going in and doubling down on being a dick is obscene. Clarifying the decision? Maybe. But actively fanning the flames and acting like twerp is pathetic and disqualifies him from the position of a mod of any community, nevermind flagship communites on lemmy.world. Here’s another example of an entire thread showing he isn’t fit. If you want more just look at his profile or search his name on basically any community.

Next we shall focus on him gaslighting and lying to or about everyone. Including the Admins of LW.

A few days ago, Jordan accused someone of being transphobic, homophobic, violent and racist on YePowerTrippingBastards. Both the person themselves as well as another user looked into those accusations. There were no demonstrations of that behavior. The user, @Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com, gave a pretty detailed response of how Jordan was lying and unfit for the job. I highly recommend checking that out for yourself. Jordan did not respond but Ganbat also said they were done talking to Jordan anyway. @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone also looked into the accusations and couldn’t find anything but could actually find things removed that were actively defending trans people. If anything, Ganbat was the dead opposite of transphobic. Norah being the one to point this out is also important as she’s trans. Jordans instant response was to gaslight and deflect blame saying he was talking about someone else, not Ganbat. Odd that he did not say this to Ganbat. But this is something that was also instantly proven wrong as he directly referenced Ganbat. Norah also mentioned something that I’ll get into in a moment. Jordan did not respond. But just to recap here, a cis white male just tried to weaponize transphobia against someone who was not transphobic for the sake of closing an argument and then tried to gaslight a trans woman about whether or not he just did that. Again, this discounts him from ever holding a position as a moderator.

Months ago on /c/World, Jordan Lund was talking about the media fact checking bot. He claimed that he would be removed if he removed the bot. That the moderators serve at pleasure of the Admins and they would just replace him. This is directly at odds with an Admin then immediately saying that it wasn’t true.

This also demonstrates that he is not willing to take any criticism or pushback at all on things that he agrees with and would rather push that blame onto someone else to avoid it himself. Now how do I know he was actively for this? Because in the Discord channel when the bot was made and announced, Jordan was literally the first person to respond and say that he was down with this. Something I verified from two different sources and by seeing it with my own eyes.

Now, let us focus on something in that Discord server.

There have been comments floating about with screenshots saying that Jordan has access to a bot that has admin abilities. I can confirm this. I do not know whether he still has access to it but he did for at least a year. How do I know this? Because I did as well. When I originally ported over to LW, I had my own personal stalker who was following me around and harassing me. An admin who is no longer active gave me access to the bot to deal with this person. I cannot speak to the full abilities of the bot, especially as the development of the bot has switched to another admin/mod who I’m not friends with. But the bot when I had it was capable of banning a user (permanently or for a period of time) from the entirety of Lemmy.World as well as removing posts. This bot was designed specifically for spam and CSAM as we’re talking like a year and a half to two years ago. CSAM was still being slammed in waves and anti-lemmy spam from reddit was still coming in strong. Access to the bot was extremely limited and only given to users that were trusted to not abuse the bot and only use it for spam, CSAM or in the case of two people, harassment. I was one of those two people. Want to guess who the other was?

I did not pay much attention to the usage of the bot. I did not pay much attention to the discord server in general. But I can say that I saw Jordan use it at least once for a harassing user. I have no idea whether or not that was valid as I wasn’t looking into it. At the time he was just a dude in the server who I occasionally chatted with. I knew nothing about him. But then again I’m an oblivious fool who didn’t even know PugJesus existed until really recently. At the time I had no second thoughts about the usage of it. I only used it a handful of times, less than 5. Either for accounts that were self-admitted alts of my stalker or of CSAM when admins were not available. Because of that I didn’t pay a ton of attention to the channel where the bot was being used but the most active user of the bot that I saw during that time was Jordan Lund.

All of this so far has just been actions of his that demonstrate that he’s not fit. Now let’s talk about who he is and let us start with him being a racist. This is a news article about him. The whole thing is essentially about how he as a white man is surprised to find out there are negative feelings about Portland. Negative feelings about Portland and Oregon being extremely white and racist.

Still, Lund said he doesn’t see much racism in his day-to-day life. He’s certainly never experienced it.

Right.

“I think Portland had a variety of problems. Race is definitely one of them, yes. But I don’t know that we could classify it as the most important problem. if you look at the homeless situation, there’s definitely an income inequality problem, a mental health problem. there are a whole lot of more pressing problems besides race.”

Jordan? A lot of those are based on race. But this is just me nitpicking. The real problem is this.

And despite his politics, he struggles to find sympathy or kinship with the Black Lives Matter marchers who occasionally disrupt his commute home to protest police violence. “I do pay attention to them. I think primarily as somebody who works in downtown we tend to be aware of things like that more because of the disruption it causes. I don’t think the disruption they do is particularly productive. It takes people who would ordinarily be on their side and go, why are they doing this to us? The Portland Police didn’t shoot anybody recently that I’m aware of. If they want to be productive in their protests, they should go to where these events are happening.”

This man was just met with the fact that his place is known for being racist and xenophobic and his first instinctual response was “Go protest elsewhere.” Yeah… the call is coming from inside of the house Jordan. You’re the racist that people are constantly talking about. Racism isn’t just burning a cross. It’s not just shooting up a black church. It can be quiet and insidious and you are actively helping further that by dismissing a right to protest so you can get somewhere faster. Moreover, a protest to make people aware of a problem with racism. A problem you only became aware of when someone hit you in the face with it because you keep ignoring it around you like with these protests. And if you’re worried I’m taking him out of context with that article? I’m not. He reiterated it here in his own words.

Now let’s move onto the fact that he’s transphobic as fuck. He went to /c/Transgender and posted a Matt Walsh video. Then there’s the whole thing earlier about him claiming someone else was transphobic who wasn’t. Not only is that extremely offensive to the dude you claimed it of but also extremely offensive to every trans person in existence for you to claim that you know better than someone else. He’s using the trans community for his own benefit but has not demonstrated anything that I’ve seen of support of that community. Just active hostility. Check his modlog for the record. There are some other interesting things in there like him stalking someone and spamming the same comment over and over again.

Next up? Zionism. He has repeatedly removed posts that are critical of Israel or pro-Palestinian and that’s fairly well documented. Again, just searching his name and Zionist or anything on any community here gives you more than enough to look at. You do have to filter through it a bit because a lot of people are, justifiably, pissed as hell but it does mean that the language of the comments can seem inflammatory and trolling him. Something that he has leaned into quite heavily and used as a shield. But these two posts stand out to me as particularly obscene. One such example is his patented refusal to ever address proof to the contrary. He listed a source as being antisemitic while using the justification of a Zionist source. When given a litany of Israel critical cartoons but none that are actively antisemitic, he refused to engage. Honestly the entire post also demonstrates a shocking amount of logic that isn’t outright Zionist but dancing around the edges and leaving the outline of one. Especially when he says that he’ll allow the post of the slain journalist to be posted when he "starts writing for a reputable news source again. Of course when pressed, he gaslit again saying that it wasn’t the person he was talking about when it clearly was.

Conclusion

The man is a genuine danger to Lemmy.world. I know plenty of people who refuse to engage with the communities on the instance as a whole because they do not trust the mods here. When questioned why it always ends up being Jordan or someone like FlyingSquid who was basically Jordan 2.0. There was so much shit happening behind the scenes with that dude with him actively torpedoing friendships left right and center. He started to crash out hard because no one was supporting him anymore. Yet people still support Jordan and I have no idea why. My only assumption is just his state of health. He’s not in the best shape and the only thing I can think is that no one wanted to rock the boat with him to add extra stress on him going through something massive but doing that is also an enormous disservice to the people on Lemmy. And I do mean Lemmy as his behavior makes us all look bad. I’ve tried to get someone recently on reddit to move to Lemmy and their argument was that they will not because the mods here are worse than the mods on reddit. When I asked for an example, they linked me to Jordan. I even found a comment out in the wild saying to not join Lemmy because of Jordan and when I contacted them to ask if I could add their comment to this post they ended up deleting it and their whole account.

Jordan is incapable of sustaining impartiality, is incapable of accepting fault, is incapable of accepting any viewpoint different than his own, is incapable of learning anything new, is racist, is transphobic, supports Zionism and abuses his position at the drop of a hat. He does not meet the basic qualifications of a reddit moderator, never mind ones of a Lemmy user. The fact that he is the face of multiple enormous communities while routinely doing these things means that the entirety of Lemmy.world looks bad. But because Lemmy.world is also one of the biggest instances and one that often a lot of people end up falling to first, he also ends up being the face of All of Lemmy Moderation.

I’m actively calling for him to be removed from any and all moderator positions. He has proven time and time again for months that he is not capable of holding these positions in a way that treats the platform, the users and even himself with respect. Also going to say here and now that I’m seriously considering leaving Lemmy.world and going elsewhere and this is playing a big part in that. I post so much because I like adding to a community I enjoy being a part of. A community that I can be proud to be a part of.

I don’t have much in the run of pride right now.

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    God, even his user profile is cringe inducing, with the custom “lemmy.world community moderator” images. He’s made this his entire identity. His profile banner literally says “chaotic good, the right thing, the wrong way”. Him being correct is his priority above all else.

    Someone with that profile should not be a moderator for anything.

    And then you add all of his behavior to the mix… why is he still a mod on any community?

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    Given the answers, it doesn’t seem like JL is actually reading any replies to his comments ever. Either that or he’s incapable of digesting any new ideas.

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    whoa, one of those was mine. Just pretty new here, didn’t know about all this history. To be fair, we had a perfectly courteous exchange. That being said, if there are significant years of complaints, we all know that means it needs to be corrected.

    https://lemmy.world/post/35643362/19281817

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    we have started looking into reports about jordan a few days ago, and we have already identified several occasions where he has been acting in ways that we don’t consider to be acceptable for a member of our community team. it may still take us a few more days to come to final conclusions for how we will proceed with this, as this is something that needs time for a proper review and discussions within the team. we all have lives outside of lemmy, where we need and want to spend our time, and something like this takes hours to properly review.

    one of the things we have already discussed will be establishing an internal CoC for community team members and people higher up in the team, which includes ensuring that we keep a certain level of professionalism in our interactions, even if another party doesn’t. we’re obviously all humans, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have responsibility for our actions, especially if it’s not a one-off thing. we will also consider if this may be something to establish for community moderators in general, but for now our primary focus is on people in positions above a regular user or moderator.

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      To be frank, why now?

      People have been saying the same things about him for years, there is zero chance you have not previously been made aware of issues stemming from his moderation practices.

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        As far as I know, nobody ever took the time to document everything like in this post.

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            there were several recent reports, including private ones. also, just because you may not see something, it doesn’t mean that nothing is happening. we have already discussed topics like the Canadian politics one with him in the past, as we also don’t consider it acceptable what he did back then.

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              we have already discussed topics like the Canadian politics one with him in the past, as we also don’t consider it acceptable what he did back then.

              Maybe I’m missing something, but if removing those comments was not acceptable, why haven’t those comments been restored?

              https://lemmy.world/comment/13966483

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                it’s not as much about the removal of those comments being the issue in and of itself for us currently, but that this is being done by a person in his position. we haven’t really been enforcing any special rules for moderator behavior on LW in the past (hence also currently considering a mod CoC), but having a member of our team incorrectly accusing people of lying and spreading misinformation on their own, even after seeing arguments for why he’s in the wrong is very much a step too far. i wasn’t directly involved in the discussion back then, so i don’t know the entire message history, but it was my understanding that he would at least stop with those claims, if he wasn’t able to apologize for it.

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                  having a member of our team incorrectly accusing people of lying and spreading misinformation on their own, even after seeing arguments for why he’s in the wrong is very much a step too far.

                  Seems like it’s still happening: https://lemmy.world/comment/19453550

                  Regardless of other actions you might be working on (CoC redaction, moderation rights review), the restoration of those comments would be a proof of good faith from LW staff. It’s definitely minor, but it would symbolic.

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              Potentially.

              It’s concerning either way that they’ve ignored years of public complaints about them. Imagine how much of this could have been avoided if they’d acted responsibly so long ago.

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                Indeed, they have associated themselves with a racist, zionist, liar, who uses his power tools to silence dissent.

                JordanLund is only getting removed because Stamets did a great job covering it. Like how Reddit only took care of bad admins/communities when publications got wind of how horrid they were.

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                The past is over, there’s no time machine, what matters is what is done now.

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                  One bad apple spoils the bunch.

                  We need to be asking questions such as why, to see if the bunch is still edible.

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                  It’s a small step, not the only one needed. I don’t understand how the rest of the mod teams he is on can be reformed.

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      Holy shit, Jordan is finally gonna have to face consequences for his actions. Fucking finally. This is fucking wild!

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        It only took 2 years of constant moderation abuse!

        Willing to bet we won’t have people he banned for stupid reasons unbanned, as the time to do that will take hours alone.

        But a win is a win.

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          Hey, maybe they’ll unban me if they do that!

          Ok, so probably not. lol (I wouldn’t want back on world, even if I were allowed to be back. Dbzer0 and anarchist.nexus are my forever homes now.)

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        His behavior a few weeks back was too egregious… he is a liability now. Any self respecting org has to deal with it.

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    I’ve had him tagged “dork of a mod” since that whole “journalists can’t publish their own writing or they’re not credible” thread that you referenced near the end.

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    Whew! Home stretch, and we’re back to the very first thing I talked about here:

    Next up? Zionism. He has repeatedly removed posts that are critical of Israel or pro-Palestinian and that’s fairly well documented.

    The Pro-Palestinian contingent on World is VERY active and VERY angry with good reason. Unfortunately they often make rule breaking posts that have to be removed.

    They aren’t removed for being Pro-Palestinian, they’re removed for a variety of reasons, Youtube video links, image posts, Twitter, and blog posts.

    But these two posts stand out to me as particularly obscene. One such example is his patented refusal to ever address proof to the contrary. He listed a source as being antisemitic while using the justification of a Zionist source.

    That post wasn’t removed for Zionism, that post was removed for being a Substack Blog. We don’t allow blogsites. Full stop. The response was the typical whining “But, but, Dropsite is legitimate news!” and my response as always is “Don’t care, no blog sites.”

    Why? Blog sites have no accountability. Anyone, literally anyone, can set up a blog site. Just like anyone can post on Twitter, or Facebook, or upload to YouTube.

    Yeah, we don’t allow any of those sites EITHER. CNN might have a very good Twitter post, that’s going to get removed too. ABC on Facebook? Hell no.

    As a mod, I’m not going to engage in a debate over “But, but, you allowed THAT Facebook/Twitter/Substack post, why not miiiiiiiiine?” (and Jesus, THAT conversation happens way too often as it is when we miss a post that should have been removed but either got missed or was never reported.)

    When given a litany of Israel critical cartoons but none that are actively antisemitic, he refused to engage. Honestly the entire post also demonstrates a shocking amount of logic that isn’t outright Zionist but dancing around the edges and leaving the outline of one.

    Honestly not sure what you’re saying here? I refused to remove cartoons critical of Israel and… that… somehow means I’m Zionist? Or Zionist adjacent? 🤔

    Wouldn’t removing them make me a Zionist? I dunno, I’ve been up for 17 hours now maybe I’m misreading what you’re saying here.

    Anyway… That’s pretty much it for me tonight. Whew! That was a LOT! I’m going to need to bookmark these the next time this stuff comes up. “Here, read this.”

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      You did not help your case whatsoever, so sharing these in the future will make you look even worse. Congrats, I guess?

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      Your behavior in these comments throughout this thread have honestly been just as bad, if not worse, than the entire post I made in the first place. You disqualified yourself over, and over, and over and over again. You behave like a petulant child who is incapable of admitting fault. You lash out at everyone and openly admit to trolling other users and punching back when you should act like an adult and get over it. You will lie about things that are directly linked either in an attempt to gaslight other users into buying your story or because you’ve genuinely deluded yourself. Admins are in this very thread openly contradicting you and questioning whether or not you are fit for a moderator position but your arrogance and dismissive attitude has only proven every single one of us correct.

      You belong on reddit. Not lemmy.

      I’m done with you. You’re an embarrassment and one so low on the totem pole that I’m kinda done leaning down to speak to. I have no respect for you. Only disdain. And that’s the last thing you’ll ever hear me speak to you directly.

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      The Pro-Palestinian contingent on World is VERY active and VERY angry with good reason. Unfortunately they often make rule breaking posts that have to be removed.

      That rule being “don’t sass the pro-genocide contingent.”

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    re the Jordan transphobia ban, I had made a post about this a while ago when it happened, which was how I found out about the discord bot. absolutely incredible that anyone would use discord as the organizing medium for something like this. Just baffling to me that moderation was being delegated via discord, often with no record of what the removals even are. it seems to have just enabled petty and retaliatory behavior flying under the radar.

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      You are making broad assumptions which are not true.

      often with no record of what the removals even are

      Every usage of that bot is recorded.

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        oh, my mistake then, I’m probably thinking of the behavior of ban + remove posts which makes it hard to figure out what was actually being said

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          That part is definitely accurate and has caused headaches in the past. But admins are capable of still seeing the removed comments. Just more headache than if they were removed normally.

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        but it is not public… this seems like a tactic to circumvent the mod log

        if mods going to censor people, they should be able to clearly articulate their position.

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          But it is not public…

          But it is.

          Every single removal by the bot appears in the modlog. It just doesn’t say “Bot”. But nothing is being circumvented and every removal is logged by the bot, by the discord chat and by the modlog.

          The issue is not the existence of the bot. The issue is that Jordan has access to the bot and cannot be trusted to use it. The only difference between the bot and him as a moderator is the bot allows him to remove posts/comments from communities he is not a moderator of. Any removals would still be logged in their respective community modlogs.

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        Slightly off topic, but mentioning it cuz i see it mentioned in your example: What was Jordan’s obsession with that MBFC bot anyway?

        Did he personally invest in it or something? I remember he didn’t really wanna stop using it even when everyone pointed out how bad it was. His attachement to that thing was so strange to me.

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            Just because one admin told the users doesn’t necessarily mean that some other admin didn’t tell him something different at some other point.

            It’s weird, and Jordan didn’t do himself any favors by suddenly falling silent at that point in the conversation like Homer backing into the bushes, but I wouldn’t automatically assume that it’s proven that Jordan was lying, just because it would be such a bizarre and pointless thing to lie about.

            FWIW the most coherent theory I ever heard for all the MBFC insanity was that someone had a sponsorship deal with Ground News and they were getting paid some tiny amount of money because of the Ground News link that the bot inserted into its comments. That or just severe mental / organizational dysfunction on somebody’s part were the only two explanations for the whole weird situation that I ever heard that made any substantial amount of sense.

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              FWIW the most coherent theory I ever heard for all the MBFC insanity was that someone had a sponsorship deal with Ground News and they were getting paid some tiny amount of money because of the Ground News link that the bot inserted into its comments.

              Honestly, not impossible with how many times Ground News gets podcasts/political things to advertise for them.

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              Because he does the job .world wants him to do, remove anything that would get shit done in America, and calling out those who prevent it. They’re Reddit 2.0.

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    Now let’s move onto the fact that he’s transphobic as fuck. He went to /c/Transgender and posted a Matt Walsh video.

    Oh, man, I have been WAITING for this one…

    I was in the All feed and saw a post along the lines of “Hey, what’s with this ‘Dragon Fucker’ person.”

    I gave them my honest opinion, Dragon Fucker is a troll who denigrates trans people by demanding recognition of his “dragon” pronouns. He might as well say he identifies as an attack helicopter. It’s that fucking obvious what he’s doing.

    So I told them “Dragons aren’t real and it’s not an identity.” He doesn’t deserve to be recognized, unless it’s recognition that his actions denigrate every single person who NEEDS actual alternate pronouns for legitimate mental health reasons.

    Now, here’s where I fucked up… (“OMG! WE WERE SAYING HE NEVER ADMITS MISTAKES!”)

    So here’s where I fucked up. I mentioned that the whole “Drag” bullshit reminded me of that viral video with the two kids pushing their “Demon Pronouns” with their smug little shit eating grins.

    So I went to YouTube, searched for “Demon Pronouns”, found the video and linked it. Yeah, Matt Walsh re-post. Wasn’t looking at who posted it, just verified the content was what I was talking about.

    Definitely on me, but was not a result of malicious intent. Well, that’s not true. I definitely feel malicious to assholes who make a mockery of pronoun use.

    Cue “Reeeeeee! Transphobe! Transphobe! Transphobe!”

    In a fair and just world, anyone who makes a mockery of trans issues, whether it’s dragons, demons, or attack helicopters, should end up in a rogersimon10 reddit comment. (I know, deep cut).

    Next comment:

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      Brilliant that you were banned as transphobic due to drag drama and deny the accusation, and yet claim one of our users is transphobic for being banned for having a similar opinion to you on drag. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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      Your opinion is your own. They may be a troll. They may not. But the rules are there for you to follow, not for you to ignore whenever you please. The fact that you seem to believe that you are able to ignore rules like neopronoun usage on a community because you disagree with the person and think they’re a troll demonstrates extremely concerning behavior. It shows that you’re willing to say transphobic things as long as you believe the person is a troll. This is not tolerable. Whether or not they are is completely irrelevant. You refused to follow the rules and instead refused to follow the neopronouns. A rule that was put in place because other people seeing other users misgender people or use the wrong pronouns feels kinda gross. They may not have the context that you or I do. Your behavior is unacceptable.

      I also refuse to believe that you saw a Matt Walsh video, a dude who plasters his face and name on everything, and did not know what you were grabbing. Especially when you refused to engage with the rules and seemed to be actively trolling another user. Trolling another user by using transphobic behavior. Kind of suggests to me that you’re willing to do transphobic things to trans people you don’t agree with or have labeled a troll in your own mind.

      Then there’s also the fact that you lied about whether or not someone else was transphobic, attempting to start a witchhunt with zero evidence. When pressed on that fact you then tried to gaslight a trans woman about who you were actually talking to. Something that was easily disproven in that very thread and that you were, in fact, gas lighting.

      In a fair and just world, anyone who makes a mockery of trans issues, whether it’s dragons, demons, or attack helicopters, should end up in a rogersimon10 reddit comment.

      Then you should end up in a rogersimon10 reddit comment, whatever the fuck that means. You continually prove that you’re incapable of admitting fault and keep gaslighting/lying. You are not qualified to be a moderator.

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    While this post is not technically following the rules of this comm, it is absolutely within the spirit of this comm which is meant to speak truth to power. Just saying before anyone bring this up.

    J.L. is a massive PTB. In fact he’s such a PTB he could have easily been the icon for this comm :D

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      In fact he’s such a PTB he could have easily been the icon for this comm :D

      I dare you ! 🥴

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        Oh my! I’m no fan of him or of .world. He’s definitely a PTB, and I think he should be removed as a mod.

        But eh, posting his actual photo in a thread where people are already dogpiling on him (deservedly so!) feels a just little bit too much like bullying for my taste. I can’t jump on that bandwagon.

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            I think I’m in agreement with Monk here, as much as I hate to admit that.

            Vilify the actions, not the human, with the goal of driving the human to take better actions. At the end of the day, he’s a person who makes poor choices as a moderator on the internet. I don’t think he’s even come close to crossing the line of irredeemability.

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              Meh, the transphobia is gross and I’d like to see him banned entirely for that bullshit, I’d hope any world user would get banned for going into a trans space to harass trans people. I think that action is flirting with irredeemability, at least sufficient for a proper ban.

              That said, the icon with his picture isn’t appropriate, I agree. He’s fully up front with his irl info and it’s weird and arrogant and terminally online but we really, really shouldn’t be feeding that kind of self-harming behavior. Maybe someday he’ll realize he’s been awful and by being this public about his irl identity it’s going to be a lot harder for him to walk away from this.

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                ive seen alot of people complaining about the trans instance , i wonder if those are the transphobes that are butthurt they were banned there, and try to make it look like they are banning anyone that doesnt follow the “echo chamber” . trans people need thier safe space.

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      My apologies, I didn’t realize it didn’t quite fit. Might I ask why though? Is it the part saying to post your own interactions with the mod? Not asking to bitch, asking for clarification in future. But thank you <3

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        The rule is indeed to report OP’s specific interactions with a mod, but in your case it’s kind of a compilation of those interactions, which is why db0 said that your post follows the spirit of the rules

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    This is a news article about him. The whole thing is essentially about how he as a white man is surprised to find out there are negative feelings about Portland. Negative feelings about Portland and Oregon being extremely white and racist.

    News article is probably too strong a term. The local NPR affiliate asked for people who had stories about race.

    So I told this true story:

    This is, oh, 30 years ago or so now. I had a job that involved commuting back and forth between Portland and Chicago (eh, not really Chicago, but if I said “Schaumberg” and “Hoffman Estates”, you wouldn’t know what I was talking about).

    So I was in a cab and the cabbie was chatting away. It comes up that I’m from Portland.

    “Portland, huh, you don’t have much trouble with black people there, do you?”

    Literally the first thing out of his mouth. And I’m more than a little surprised. Is this the first thing people think when they hear “Portland”? Pre-Portlandia, so I guess we have that going for us now. Even odds it’s “put a bird on it” now.

    So I laughed it off… “No, you know, I know both of them and they’re good people.”

    So I called NPR and told that story on their recorder and they came out and interviewed me. I know, I was surprised too!

    “I think Portland had a variety of problems. Race is definitely one of them, yes. But I don’t know that we could classify it as the most important problem. if you look at the homeless situation, there’s definitely an income inequality problem, a mental health problem. there are a whole lot of more pressing problems besides race.”

    The thing you have to understand is that the Chicago cabby wasn’t 100% wrong. Portland is LILLY-fucking white. It’s more diverse now than it was 30 years ago, but when I say “more diverse” I mean 67% white, back then it was probably 75%? More? I don’t have those stats handy.

    When you have a population that is 67% a monoculture (not entirely accurate, there’s a significant 1st generation Eastern European community) race is NOT the issue here that it is elsewhere.

    There are SUPER ugly reasons for it too. I won’t trouble you with the history lesson, you can Google it if you want. Specifically how as a state Oregon was founded on the idea that black people couldn’t own land or the whole history of Vanport.

    And despite his politics, he struggles to find sympathy or kinship with the Black Lives Matter marchers who occasionally disrupt his commute home to protest police violence. “I do pay attention to them. I think primarily as somebody who works in downtown we tend to be aware of things like that more because of the disruption it causes. I don’t think the disruption they do is particularly productive. It takes people who would ordinarily be on their side and go, why are they doing this to us? The Portland Police didn’t shoot anybody recently that I’m aware of. If they want to be productive in their protests, they should go to where these events are happening.”

    This man was just met with the fact that his place is known for being racist and xenophobic and his first instinctual response was “Go protest elsewhere.”

    Yup. Because Portland protestors are, by and large, morons “the common clay of the new West.”

    Protesting here is interesting, people will protest for any and all reasons or no reason at all. But when the city turned upside down for George Floyd, a horrible event that had fuck all to do with Portland, all they did was a whole lot of nothing.

    The problem was this, during the day you had the BLM protests, largely a bunch of white people virtue signalling, “look at me! I’m doing something!” But when the sun went down, black block took over the protest. Largely a bunch of angry white anarchist kids, mostly not even from here, who only wanted to break shit and set fires. Look up the vandalism directed at the Oregon Historical Society as an example.

    But all in all, the protests from both BLM and Black Block, did nothing. Portland became a punchline on Fox News and for Trump. He opened an illegal operation here where people were literally being black bagged off the streets by federal agents.

    They COULD have done something effective, like protest where the crimes committed by shitty cops were actually happening. They did not. And continue being ineffective.

    You know all those 50501 protests? Portland LOVES that shit. Do you honestly think Trump is going to go “Well, if PORTLAND is protesting…” LOL. Back under George H.W. Bush (not W., his DAD) he called Portland “Little Beirut” because of the constant protests.

    dismissing a right to protest so you can get somewhere faster. Moreover, a protest to make people aware of a problem with racism.

    We KNOW. That’s why I have a problem with protests in Portland. They are preaching to the choir here.

    What I want to see are EFFECTIVE protests, and that’s not what Portland does. It’s hard as West Coasters because, from a national media perspective, if it didn’t happen on the East coast it might as well have never happened.

    You want to do another million man march and shut down D.C.? Man, GO FOR IT. I think the last time we approached that (not counting January 6th) was the womens march with all the knit hats? That one was awesome.

    A bunch of white liberals in Portland patting themselves on the back for being white liberals? For Instagram views? We don’t need that.

    Next comment.

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      The problem was this, during the day you had the BLM protests, largely a bunch of white people virtue signalling, “look at me! I’m doing something!” But when the sun went down, black block took over the protest. Largely a bunch of angry white anarchist kids, mostly not even from here, who only wanted to break shit and set fires. Look up the vandalism directed at the Oregon Historical Society as an example.

      But all in all, the protests from both BLM and Black Block, did nothing. Portland became a punchline on Fox News and for Trump. He opened an illegal operation here where people were literally being black bagged off the streets by federal agents.

      My guy, the 2020 BLM protests were some of the biggest progress that got made on actual people’s issues this century. Did you not notice that after four high-profile killing in one year, and those massive walls of names, no bodycams, tepid reform, repeated riots in individual cities after a fucked-up incident that wasn’t defensible, all of a sudden the big walls of names dried up (or had some kind of reason, the kid actually did have a gun or something) starting in 2021?

      Your assessment that the crowds of people chanting in Portland had nothing to do with that doesn’t mean it had nothing to do with it. What’s your assessment of what happened that brought such an intense reduction in police brutality nationwide during that one year? Or do you not think that happened?

      You want to do another million man march and shut down D.C.? Man, GO FOR IT. I think the last time we approached that (not counting January 6th) was the womens march with all the knit hats? That one was awesome.

      A bunch of white liberals in Portland patting themselves on the back for being white liberals? For Instagram views? We don’t need that.

      The women’s march was a few hundred thousand people in DC, and 3 million worldwide. BLM was somewhere from 18 to 26 million in total in the US, and produced concrete change to one of America’s absolutely urgent problems. I don’t think most people here care about the pussy hats or the awesome.

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      I’m too white to really weigh in here but this just stinks of racism. It sounds like a lot of dismissal of POC because Portland is white despite you knowing that Portland is white. A lot of ‘protest elsewhere’. I’m also not as familiar with Portland as other people. So I cannot weigh in on this comment specifically and will leave it up to people who actually can speak to this.

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        As a white foreign portlander his comment just reads to me like some Grandpa Simpson nonsense.

        the city turned upside down for George Floyd, a horrible event that had fuck all to do with Portland

        This comment is one of many that show he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but he’s gonna keep talking about it anyway.

        The city didn’t turn upside, there was protest that took up a block or two. Downtown got slightly deader than it already was because of covid and not having anything good except Powell’s.

        The BLM protests here had everything to do with Portland and the cancer that is the PPB - our police department. Their chronic systemic issues and their brutal response and tactics.

        He shows no understanding of how protests work in general or what the actual situation and issues were here but he still knows what would’ve made the protests EFFECTIVE.

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    I’m still incredulous about how much time he spent during that stupid MBFC bot saga insisting that The Guardian was actually a rag that can’t be trusted. Like, I have my issues with The Guardian (so many issues), but pretending they aren’t a paper on par with something like the NYT is either bullheadedness or America-centric ignorance.

    Dude tried to snidely tell someone else that a different paper (I don’t remember which one) needed significant evidence to criticize it as untrustworthy, because it was a Newspaper of Record, and linked to the Simple Wikipedia page for that concept (really, dude?)… which listed The Guardian as an example.

    That cracked me up, honestly. I don’t want to get into the nasty ways I’ve seen him react to being told a comment is bigoted if he doesn’t think it is. Bro can’t cope with being told other people don’t agree with him and aren’t going to change their minds, so it seems like his go to response is to insult and bait them into doing it back so he can delete their comments/ban them.

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      Dude tried to snidely tell someone else that a different paper (I don’t remember which one) needed significant evidence to criticize it as untrustworthy, because it was a Newspaper of Record, and linked to the Simple Wikipedia page for that concept (really, dude?)… which listed The Guardian as an example.

      He has repeatedy done that, along with a few other .world mods. They will give you links, but if you actually click on them and read beyond the headline, you’ll see it actually disagrees with them. Happened to @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world when Jordan’s own links proved the lies he was spreading wasn’t true at all.

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      My favorite part of the bot saga was him using it as the reason for banning amp links. Not because they’re terrible but because it would break the bot.

      Everytime there’s an easy PR win the opposite is done.

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      Not only that but when people were saying to remove the bot, he said that he would be de-modded and the bot would come back. Then an admin had to literally say “Um what?”

      I know I said that in the post above but come ON. That alone is insane and shows him shifting all blame on something he openly agreed with to the admins.

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        Yeah it was such a weird thing to lie about.

        The admin team wants this bot around.

        “No? We never wanted that. You set this bot up in your communities, we did nothing with this.”

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      I’ve been accused of having a heavy presence on Lemmy. It’s no where near as heavy as some other peoples and has died off in the past few months (although I am getting back into gear). But my presence is on another side of Lemmy, not so much the news. So this very much is one “face” of lemmy.world (God I sound so arrogant) looking at another and saying “Why am I attached to the same body as you?” while actively considering a transplant.

      So even faces on the same instance are staring at each other like “What the utter fuck?”

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          I appreciate you <3

          I was going to actually do a ton of posting today but this single one sorta took priority lol

          And now I go to YouTube to stream a game! Mmm Star Trek Resurgence

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    Wow yeah, I’ve seen a lot of Jordan’s posts on here and I’m sure if I looked I’ve had an argument with him at some point, but I had no idea about the article or the admin bot. If your response to BLM boils down to “what about black on black crime” I don’t think you should have mod or admin power here.

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      Completely agree. Any single one of these things in this post is disqualifying if you take it alone. Together? Wow.