The main thing I’m learning from this thread is that a surprising number of people don’t shut their machines down when they’re done using them. Which is wild to me.
A lot of modern windows laptop don’t let you shut them down.
They use something called Windows Hybrid Sleep and it should be illegal. Selecting shut down in windows will keep the machine in a state where it will turn on at random times to check for updates. Especially fun whrn in your backpack creating a furnace.
Thankfully it can be disabled via AD policy.
Shouldn’t have to use fucking group policy just to stop your machine updating at inopportune times. Fucking Windows.
It’s always funny to me when people call Linux complicated and in the next sentence say shit like that
As if doing registry edits and group policy stuff is acceptable for basic features and settings
Ah yeah I forgot about hybrid sleep as I turned if off years ago and forgot it existed. Such a nonsense feature.
Ah yes, the greek hydra of IT. Disable one policy, two more shall take it’s place.
I remember you have to press either Shift or Alt for the shutdown button to actually shut down the PC.
Or just disable the Fast Startup option
You dont need to use group policy.
Admin console: powercfg.exe /hibernate off
Now its off. Hybrid sleep is just a faster Hibernate.
Or just turn off fast Startup in the power settings.
I meant that you can thankfully disable it with group policy so that the 3000 laptops I manage at work don’t all cook in backpacks every day.
I’ve been out of the GPO game for a while, but I’ve never heard of widespread issues with laptops waking up even if their lids are closed. Did this start with Windows 11?
Yeah it started sometime in 2022. Though also for Windows 10.
It also has some hardware requirements, so most older laptops wouldn’t have the issue.
Why would you? Sleep uses so little power and the resume is instant.
If it wasn’t for S0 standby being such a piece of shit I’d never shutdown my computer unless it was for an update or hardware maintenance.
I mean since the advent of SSDs I’ve not found the boot times of computers to be all that slow and I typically quite like coming back to a clean desktop on a new day rather than having junk from yesterday being thrown at me.
See I want all the junk from yesterday.
Even if the boot time is fast, you lose a lot of the program states. Not only it takes extra time to load those applications, it’s also a fair amount of effort to put everything back where it should be.
If it was necessary to shut computers down, no problem, it’s not too much time and effort. But there’s normally no need to shut computers down, it’s just wasted time with no benefits (usually).
yeah if ur working on something you should sleep the computer, but if you’re working with, like, one app, or if youre not working on anything, i see no reason not to shutdown ur pc
Even if it’s only one app, what is the purpose? To save on electricity that powers RAM?
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But a sleeping computer is just as quiet as a shut down computer… Which is totally silent. I don’t get it.
sure? i could bring the same argument back to you:
why wouldn’t you shut it down? so that you can wait a couple of seconds less?
there’s basically no difference. it only depends on what you’re used to doing and maybe if you care about the little electricity that’s being used constantly for little to no reason
But you can’t bring the same argument back to me. Cold booting requires more time and effort. Thus to make that argument, one needs to provide the benefits that compensate for the downsides. Some people provided possible benefits that matter to their specific case, like, PSU makes noise (actually, that was you in a different thread), or they want to save laptop battery, etc. But if we are taking about a modern stationary computer with mains power, there’s practically no benefit to shutting it down, only downsides.
Of course it’s completely valid for somebody to do it out of habit, but they can’t expect to use that as a valid argument for others to do it.
Well yes why not save that battery power
I was mostly talking about stationary computers, but even in case of a laptop (unless it runs Windows which has terrible sleep management) the benefits of starting your work immediately once you open the lid outweighs the cons of losing a couple percent of battery overnight.
For me the only thing I needed to “put back where it should be” was my VPN. Bu I switched to wireguard from Eddie, so now I don’t need to adjust anything on startup
Have you seen how fast computers turn on these days (from complete shutdowns)? It’s 2-3 seconds (if hibernation is completely off). Barely an inconvenience - specially not one worth risking the pc turning on by itself on random times.
Just like the brain computers need off-time to calm their electrons and unflip their bits.
/s but a lot of issues really are solved by a reboot
Because a laptop waking from sleep while in a bag is a fire hazard.
me too. i see no reason not to shut it down, unless boot time takes way too long (you dont have an ssd), you use windows (always takes too long), or you have a bunch of apps open and don’t want to lose the workflow.
though i just have to shutdown anyway because my pc is right under a couple of roof leaks and it might rain while i’m sleeping or not at home
honest question, because i use windows and i shut down every day. is 20 seconds really “too long” for a full boot up?
Look, I used to work with computers that would take 5 minutes to turn on. I’m done waiting for computers to boot, I want it to take the least time it can. If hibernation takes just 1 second off, I’m gonna use it.
I think a lot of people are still stuck in the HDD days where windows could take 15-20 mins for a cold boot.
But I only sleep windows because I like to get game updates while I sleep.
boot hardly takes any time at all. it’s all the programs on the computer that take forever to start.
Ctrl shift esc. Turn off start on boot up programs that you don’t want to start.
… that just means your computer is useless when you start it up. And anyway I’m talking about things like your browser with previous tabs or your IDE.
no, i was joking about the windows part there
i’d say too long is 1 minute or more
The only reason why my uptime is only a month is because I took my PC with me on a work trip which involved packing it.
When I got my first (and only) PC, it was outright SUGGESTED to never power it down. By HP. So yeah I just sleep my computer, and yes I have to deal with the bullshit in the meme lol
Always wondered why the fuck my PC is awake before I even touch it.
Back in the day we did that because it too long to boot so we never shut it down.
20 years later we have servers at home that we never shut down.
To be fair I don’t always use it like that but suspend is convenient if I have a continuous work that is scattered all around.
what i’d day is “always turn off your computer when you’re done using it”, meaning you sleep it when you have work you don’t want to lose.
Sign in states for tokens expire when you power cycle. If you’re in IT or moving between classes, not only would you have to wait for power down and power on each stop you make,you’d also need to sign into every tool you use that requires credentials. I work as a field tech for an MSP. If I had to shut down at the end of each stop and boot back up then I’d have to spend 20-30 minutes signing back into my RMM, ticket system, azure portal, knowledge base etc on top of the site specific stuff I’m already going to have to sign into for that stop. Sleep great. Just disable S0 sleep.
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Shitty software? The software is great. It sucks that we live in a world that needs MFA to be secure. I also don’t think any software exists in the IT space that doesn’t require some sign in. Every RMM on the planet is going to require secure sign on and so will every knowledge base software. You also need to sign in to access things like domain DNS. Most of my job is locked behind half a dozen sign ins. That’s how it goes for MSPs anything else would be unsecure.
No point. Sleep works great and live updates are flawless.
As someone who knows how to manage the power and update settings in Windows to prevent this from happening, I am learning that Linux users may not understand how to actually configure Windows to their liking. Which is wild to me.
What I really like about Linux (Mint) is the automation of updates. I had a similar feature enabled on Windows (10), but I still had to install most of it manually. With Linux (Mint) the automation works wonderfully and I have no stress. Another reason not to go back to Windows.
Did anyone else ever notice that Windows’s enshittification really took off around the same time they renamed “My PC” to “This PC” ?
Always seemed like it was a subtle indicator they no longer considered it your personal computer but rather one they so graciously allow you to use once in a while.
Sus timing, though it’s certainly just branding.
The whole “My-” prefix for “My Documents” and “My Computer” and all that is something that was around since the 90s, and really served to emphasise the “Personal” is “Personal Computer” at a time when PCs were coming into the home for the first time.
Nowadays that branding is really unnecessary and feels pretty antiquated too, especially in an era where most stuff for most people is online, and the emphasis is.more on connected seamless stuff rather than a cute little folder to put your things in.
You should factor in that nowadays it is fairly normal for a single person to have multiple computers, so “My PC” is not specific enough anymore.
Our computer.
Their computer. You’re just a user.
To be fair, Linux has not been especially awesome at suspended/hibernate/resume, historically.
My linux PC used to be unable to hibernate/sleep at all, and my current laptop occasionally gets some kind of backlight burn-in from sleeping when the lid’s closed
Yea, I like to suspend my machine, but rather than hit suspend and walk away I have to wait to find out what has prevented suspend from suspending. That and it trying to goto sleep when I don’t want it to. Drives me nuts
As sucky as modern Windows is, all you have to do to avoid this bullshit is to shut down the pc at night or whenever you’re not using it. That being said, half the time Windows updates, it tries to sucker me into subbing for Microshart 365.
My only windows is force upon me as my work laptop. I sadly actually work for Microsoft. I literally only use it to SSH to my virtual machine running redhat.
Microsoft really enjoys forcing updates at the worst time when their employees are trying to work. Sometimes it literally just makes me stop working for that day. Their loss.
Doing what, working on Azure? Also why not just run Linux locally?
Not even that. Go into Task Scheduler and disable the “Update Orchestrator” task. Problem solved.
Until the next update reenables it.
Really the only OS that where hibernation and suspension works smooth enough for me has been MacOS so far. Windows wakes up the whole PC to do things. On Linux you get GPU related power state issues that cause weird things. On MacOS it has always “just worked” for me. Still not buying one though. Rather shut down my machine.
MacOS just working certainly has a lot more to do with supporting an exponentially smaller array of hardware than either Windows or Linux does.
If you’re truly concerned about Microsoft re-enabling that task, it’s puzzling that you would suggest an Apple product as an alternative.
They are as anti-choice as it gets.
Actually my LinuxPC also wakes up from sleep ramdomly. Damn you nvidia…
Windows user who turned that shit on within an hour of installing the OS:
I’m bottom even when I used windows because I turn it the hell off when I’m not using my computer.
Yes. Same with my TV and everything.
isn’t the joke in the bottom that the pc and you are both sleeping tho
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“My” in My PC means “Microsoft’s”. All the Windows PCs in this world are all their’s.
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Why is this true 😭
Accurate. Because mine won’t turn on anymore after sleeping.
Linux users when their computer won’t boot because they fucked up their grub config again: (Totally not me)
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They’re trolling and have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about. I’ve literally not had a bootloader failure in a decade from multiple Linux OS installs.
The only time I had an issue was when I was playing with a bleeding edge distro and it borked full disk encryption, but that was INTENTIONALLY bleeding edge and I knew the risks.
Nah I was doing some virtualization troubleshooting and had to make some changes to grub. Luckily I had backups, but as a serial tinkerer I break stuff pretty often. Also fucked up my fstab when trying to automount drives, though that was an easy fix. I never claimed to be a clever man
Are you distro hopping? That’s when my grub would fail on me on a monthly basis.
Or just installed few months of missing updates, looking at you my broken Manjaro dual-boot
Just don’t use a rolling distro.
Tumbleweed will update six months of packages or more without breaking a sweat. It’s all about using something sturdy.
My PC does this really annoying thing, whenever I tell it to Install and Shut Down the bloody thing restarts every time
That’s because the shutdown hardly exists anymore. When you choose shutdown now it just hibernates. Reboot is the only way to get the full refresh of a shutdown unless you’re using CMD.
This is actually the thing that originally triggered me into wiping my windows OS and switching to Linux a couple years back. Unbelievable that I can put my machine into long-term low power mode and minutes later windows is like ‘lol, did you mean to click update??’
Can’t believe how much better Linux is for 0$.
Wow, that being a thing sounds surreal Oo
