Ahh yes, I remember a guy with similar ideology, he even had a catchy name for those, and i quote, “animals in human form”… What was it? Ahh yes, “untermensch” I believe it was. What wonderful role models Israel has…
I was taught as a child that to take an animal life that isn’t food or a threat is wrong, and it should be done with as little suffering as possible.
That’s a good point. Usually people try to treat animals ethically and not cause them harm.
Good people do that. Bad people don’t.
I find this interesting with hunting. It’s something I do for food and only animals not native to the area that are destroying other habitats.
No one I know that hunts does it because killing an animal is fun. There are fun parts to hunting, but the actual moment you pull a trigger or release an arrow is stressful. Nothing in you is excited or happy about killing an animal and at times you have to mentally convince yourself that it was justified and with purpose for yourself and for other animals. Ensuring and having a fast kill is extremely relieving. Not doing this is extremely distressing.
Truthfully I find anyone that hunts for game to be a genuine psychopath. It is a job, not a leisure activity. It is a cruel thing that must be done with the highest responsibility and ethics. But I think these people are rare. At least in my experiences, every hunter I’ve met has been very close and connected to nature.
My friends ex-husband is one of those people. Zero respect for life. I made the mistake of going hunting with him after there were signs on a mutual fishing trip. While nothing he did was illegal, it was highly unethical. I’ll spare details for the squeamish, but I left the field, hiked out without filling my tag. When I got back to town, I informed her that there was something deeply wrong with that man. It took 9 years, but she’s in the process of getting him out of her life, coparenting aside.
We get a lot of wealthy “hunters” from out of state where you will literally find the carcass left to rot and the head taken for mounting. It’s extremely discomfitting to see the waste. And yet wild hogs and deer overpopulation absolutely does wreck the environment. Eventually buzzards and possum clean up the rest but it’s still weird to realize there are personalities that do that.
Also not getting that clean shot where tracking the prey by blood is the worst, because you know if you don’t find that animal, it’s going to suffer a lot longer than necessary because of you.
Don’t give them ideas about eating them. the might seriously do it.
Isn’t that a kosher food requirement?
Supposedly.
You do not need animals for food though.
This mode of interaction seems very likely to alienate people from your cause, rather than opening their eyes to its importance…
I don’t think it’s productive engage combatively with folks making salient points about genocide and dehumanization by talking about the way they related to animals and their treatment/death as a kid.
Their point and the perspective they’re expressing isn’t even incompatible with veganism. They’re talking about what they were taught as a kid in service of an entirely unrelated and genuinely important point. This does not seem like an effective approach for reaching people
Guy talks about killing animals. Everyone congratulates them on how moral they are.
Other guy talks about not killing animals. People write multiple paragraphs about how problematic their comment is.
Might want to examine your biases, bud.
Literally in the process of reducing my animal product intake. Just checked them-
Annnnd yup, being needlessly combative with people in service of your cause still sucks, and still isn’t a very good way of reaching people.
You can reduce more animal suffering if the fact that you’re not being insufferable keeps them open to why it’s something you’re so passionate about.
Wasn’t trying, bud. Why is your expectation that I must be constantly be ‘doing outreach’? Do you tell carnists that they should stop being ‘needlessly combative’ so they can ‘reach people’? Do you lecture people that when they talk about rape or murder being bad, they must do it in the correct way to avoid upsetting the pro-murder factions? GTFO with this nonsense. Anyone with an Internet connection can see the facts for themselves plain as day - I don’t have to sermonize shit. I also don’t have to pretend that carnism is in any way moral. That’s your hangup, not mine.
God damn… Israelis really giving Jewish people a bad name.
Some Israelis.
Some are protesting the unnecessary harm to civilians.Of course, there’s always exceptions. But while I see many Jewish people worldwide protesting and objecting, I rarely see Israelis doing so.
Do Israel’s typically go around bombing the local wildlife all willy-nilly?
That’s more like 'mericans with their guns.
Untermenschen you say?
Do unto others…
Love one another as I’ve loved you.
~The final commandment that everyone ignores and does not acknowledge except on Sunday.~
To be fair God did a ton of genocide so. It does sort of make sense.
I hope isreal gets the harm they’ve caused times 3
Jewish people have already received it way over 3x. Not excusing Israel, just sayin’ …
