• One2many@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    So, teaching the horrors of slavery is woke now? They are just telling on themselves now.

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      20 days ago

      where everything discussed is how horrible our Country is, how bad Slavery was

      ‘Bad’ and ‘negative’ are synonyms here.

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      20 days ago

      In his Truth Social website President Donald Trump described the Smithsonian as “OUT OF CONTROL” and said museums across the United States are “WOKE.”

      Convicted felon says museums are woke and out of control.

      In a statement sent to Newsweek the Smithsonian said: "The Smithsonian’s work is grounded in a deep commitment to scholarly excellence, rigorous research, and the accurate, factual presentation of history.

      The world’s largest museum, education and research complex says they are grounded in accurate presentation of history.

      It’s pretty clear that the US government is targeting the Smithsonian and other historical archives to rewrite history.

      Considering the other articles linked which talk about the removal of trump’s impeachments and other pressures on historical facts and accuracy, I’d be worried about the following quote:

      "It’s not about whitewashing it’s about full context, so while slavery is obviously a horrible aspect of our nation’s history you can’t really talk about slavery honestly unless you also talk about hope and progress and I think we need to be focusing on the progress that we’ve made then and we need to stop focusing so much on the lack of progress.

      So, yeh the Nazis killed a bunch of people. But they also developed the Volkswagen, Porsche and Hugo Boss. And we have all come to appreciate fancy cars and fly shirts. So, let’s not focus on what the Nazis did, but instead let’s concentrate on the hope that cars bring!

      And even if you argue that “things are better now”. Sure, somewhat. But, imo, it’s not really something to celebrate. Black people can vote, but shitty racist people in power still suppress the fuck out of them.

      Germany recognises it’s history. It teaches it in school, it’s made memorials & museums of historically abhorrent places, and it’s outlawed everything related.

      US still celebrates Thanksgiving.
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/maiahoskin/2022/11/24/the-real-history-behind-thanksgiving/

      So yeh, here is the directive:
      https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/03/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-restores-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/

      to work to eliminate improper, divisive, or anti-American ideology from the Smithsonian and its museums, education and research centers, and the National Zoo.

      So, eliminate some history.
      But - depending on how carefully that scalpel is wielded - it could cut away the bad parts and leave the “good” parts. Cherry picking, if you will.
      Leaves a generally positive vibe of slavery.
      Divisive and anti-american to whip/hang/rape slaves. So, leave that part out.
      But provide the American dream for a slave by impregnating them and giving them a less crowded room and easier slave labour, or elevating them to a house position, or whatever… THATS the American dream!
      Slaves that behaved were treated well.
      But, just leave out the thousands of slaves that were beaten for sensless reasons because they were considered barbaric and sub-human.
      Just… Ignore the fact that they were kidnapped from their home, transported for weeks in horrendous conditions, then auctioned off to rich white men.

    • scintilla@crust.piefed.social
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      20 days ago

      And yet the title is still an accurate summary.

      Focusing on the “progress” and “hope” while teaching slavery is indeed a form of white washing of history.

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      White House official Lindsey Halligan: “While slavery is obviously a horrible aspect of our nation’s history, you can’t really talk about slavery honestly unless you also talk about hope and progress … we need to stop focusing so much on the lack of progress.”

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      20 days ago

      The lack of quotation marks around any part of the title indicates it’s not a direct quote.

      Is there something you feel is inaccurate about it?

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      20 days ago

      Robert E. Lee, the hero of the south, tortured his slaves so savagely that his own slave overseer was disgusted and refused to participate. Which leads me to believe that the scars seen in this photo should be considered “within reason.”

      See? Bright side to everything if you’re enough of a monster.

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      and that’s not even getting into lynching picnics for the whole family, or community, cannibalism, using hair and other body parts of slaves to make medical devices, furniture, or decoration, and who can forget sexual slavery, raping slaves and selling the resulting children into slavery, many first hand accounts from slaves talk about constant sexual abuse. so it’s not ALL just torture and mutilation of living people, or dehumanizing them in every way imaginable.

      and one of the big fat myths of slavery, the docile happy slave. Never happened, slaves were very frequently rebelling, trying to organize to over throw their masters, and creating a whole systems of escape. There was no happiness in slavery, it a daily power struggle to suppress slave revolts and uprisings, and keep slaves in a constant state of fear and terror.

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        it a daily power struggle to suppress slave revolts and uprisings, and keep slaves in a constant state of fear and terror

        That’s what the “well-regulated militias” were for in the Second Amendment.

  • Una@europe.pub
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    20 days ago

    Idk if you seen prageru, basically had a cartoon where Christopher Columbus said how “being slave was better than being dead”

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      20 days ago

      (this ignores the thousands of taihno who committed suicide, choosing death over servitude, and how much work Colombus’ men put into preventing others from choosing the same path)

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      19 days ago

      Ngl, I’ve seen the same argument on other social networks whenever the spanish conquest on México comes up and they add how mexican society wouldn’t be how it is today without the conquest and… Really? Do they think the state of things is worth of praise?

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      20 days ago

      Are you forgetting how good it was for all those slave owners though? They liked it a whole lot.

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    20 days ago

    It’s amazing how all these dumbasses look exactly the same. I knew exactly what she’d look like even before watching the video.

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      20 days ago

      Fun fact I overheard! This is a thing in cults. It’s something about a uniform appearance plus appearance policing (either overt or to fit in).

  • RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    Trump feuding with a history museum. You’d think that would sound the ‘fascist’ alarm to his supporters, but seems like nothing will.

  • asmoranomar@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    You need to take the bad with the good, otherwise you’ll never understand how far we’ve come. We hold on to slavery to remind us what it took, how efforts were not in vain, and to continue work on pushing for the things we believe in. We are here today because of the hardships we have endured yesterday. It’s not “white guilt”, it’s to remind the world that slavery is bad no matter who does it, to teach us what it looks like, and that we all benefit from eliminating slavery, no matter the form it takes.

    When we forget those things, we have things like the anti-vacc movement. People who have their own beliefs that fly in the face of reality, who’ve never had the experiences first hand, and to bend the notion of what is good. It rewrites the legacy of people’s efforts, obscures the lessons used to fight, and trivializes the problems of the time. It manipulates both people and purpose and turns it against each.

    My own opinion: Nobody feels guilty about slavery. There are only those that feel regret it’s not still around.