Maybe decades ago, but not now.
Mac osx has unix command prompts built in and the ability to containerize out of the gate. Windows requires WSL and a bunch of other shit to achieve a substantially worse effect.
The out of the box containerization is still pretty new though — it’s like a month old
Exactly. Modern Windows is like Tesla - shiny exterior built on top of garbage cobbled together with paperclips and duct tape. No visible knobs, no easy to access features, everything hidden behind layers of needless menus and abstraction with the express goal to extract maximum value from their ‘customers’.
I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means but I feel like the two ecosystems are much closer now than they were 10-15 years ago.
Kids use Chromebooks everywhere I’ve seen the past 5+ years.
Not even decades ago. ResEdit was one way we hacked old Macs back in the day.
It’s an older meme sir but it doesn’t check out anymore.
Inaccurate.
If you’re a Linux user why wouldn’t you unlock MacOS’ potential by using the command line? MacOS is UNIX based, so you have access to its guts, just as you would any other UNIX based system.
Exactly. MacOS is the best of both worlds; it’s my absolute favorite distro of BSD.
It’s not just UNIX based; it is a certified UNIX OS:
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/Hence the “based”
/bin/bash -c "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/HEAD/install.sh)"Homebrew, plus some VMs, and you get the best of all platforms in one computer.
This used to be particularly awesome when macOS was intel based, as now running an intel based machine image on apple’s ARM architecture is awkward by comparison, but hopefully that will resolve somewhat soon.
Apple silicon is sick. I’m salivating for a Linux distro dedicated to Apple M chips.
You mean Asahi?
I believe that’s the name of the project. It’s early days and I can’t wait until it is properly developed.
but hopefully that will resolve somewhat soon
By converting everyone to ARM !!!
Because I’m not going to willingly give my creative efforts over to a corporation that will hold it hostage and only allow me to work so long as I’m using only their products.
That is just dumb. Most devs in tech I know default to Macs as their dev boxes. Macs are also the defacto workhorse for music, video production.
If you want to say that Macs don’t make for good servers, I’ll give you that, but saying they aren’t tools is just ignorant.
There used to be a mac server thing.
Guess I’ve been using a toy to administer Linux servers for the past 20 years. 🤷♂️
It’s technically possible to administer Linux servers with a Nintendo DS.
…Not sure where I was going with that, except to say that you can, in fact, do just that with an actual toy.
You could do it with any Turing-complete machine. But calling something that is actively and widely used to do technical work a toy is kind of ridiculous.
You’re not wrong there.
What’s considered real use in your opinion?
Hacking the matrix
@the_q linux/bsd/win10 with wsl? Of course, OSX is still useful like remote client and like dev machine for Apple devices, but not for everything else
OK first, way to telegraph your crusty age: it hasn’t been OSX for YEARS. macOS 10 was a long running release but we are on macOS 15 now, soon to be 16, though the name convention is switching to years instead of sequential version. If you have a machine still running OSX, yes by all means put ZorinOS or LMDE on it.
Second, I translated your comment as “I don’t know how to use it so it sux”.
Well that’s just objectively wrong.
You sound out of touch.
I approve. I don’t care if it’s unix based. MacOS is infantilism manifest.
“Right. You’re in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People’s Front.”
Splitters…
The truth:
For the love of Pete, not this again.
Many flavors of Linux are more simple and user friendly than Windows or Mac.
Mac is unix-based and very similar to Linux in many ways.
Windows is like that car that Homer Simpson designed.
windows is the one that should be the toy wheel here.
macos is unix, and quite solid
and im a big apple hater.
Lol, call me back when they support bsd jails. Or a five button mouse. Or a decent amount of RAM. Or a package manager. Or more than 2 ports. Or an SDCard slot
My 2022 macbook pro has a charging port, four USB-C ports (one of which can be used for charging as well), an HDMI port, a minijack port, and an SD card slot.
I use homebrew for package management, and have yet to be dissatisfied with that.
This machine also happens to have 32 GB of RAM.
I don’t know about mouse-support, but I mostly use my keyboard for everything, and have yet to miss having more than two buttons and a scroll wheel on my mouse. With my previous (2012) macbook however, I used a five-button mouse sometimes.
Really don’t know where you get your info on macs, but you it seems you missed the phone when you were called back sometime around 2010.
Brew is shit. I’ve had to use it, and wouldn’t chose to ever again. 32gig of RAM? For professional work? What is this, 2009? 4 ports is good, and good to hear about the sd-card finally. And you’re supporting the mac mouse? With the charging port on the bottom?
You may think it fine. But for the money I think Macs are vastly inferior to a decent thinkpad, dell, or even HP
What are you smoking that 32gb of RAM is 09? 32gb is more than enough for most users in 2025, hell 16gb is still quite enough for most use cases.
Most mac users I’ve known either use the touchpad or MX Master, very few use the magic mouse. And build quality is much better than the equivalent plastic garbage from HP or Dell.
If you need more than 32 GB of RAM, I’m pretty sure you’re no longer looking for a laptop. I mean sure, you can get up to 128 GB on a macbook, but if you need that kind of volume you’re doing professional work on something that is specifically extremely RAM-intensive.
I didn’t support the apple-mouse, in fact I don’t like it at all, primarily because I don’t like the feel of it. Personally, I use a completely ordinary, cheap mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel.
i mean, its obviously no linux…
wait, it doesn’t support five button mice?
no way this has to exist 😂
I’m not sure this is necessary, my five button mouse worked just fine on the mbp my work forced me to use in 2020. The only issue was pointer speed is wonky, and the scroll wheel is intentionally stupid.
But the buttons work like Linux uses them, not like windows uses them. Which is fine, but I can see how the uninitiated would have a problem with that.
I have always hated Apple the company… the products are way too overpriced and nerfd but Ok overall
I’d reverse Windows and Mac. Mac is sleek, smooth, pleasant, well integrated, solid, stable, and has a good shell. They have great machines with great specs and are well built. They also take some learning to become efficient with.
Windows on the other hand, is cheap, buggy, ugly, unstable, comes pre-packaged with flashy junk, breaks easily, any child can use it and then break it.
I completely agree. As a software developer I preferred when I had a Mac whereas our company uses Windows and Microsoft for everything and it just meh.
Mac was so easy to do everything from the terminal or the search bar.
Plus I like how they have the Homebrew packaging system to install pretty much anything you need.
Windows has something similar with chocolatey but it’s just not as complete. It’s not *nix apps either.
I’m gonna say windows is more like a cybertruck truck. Full of bloat, spyware, and half the features are not like to slice a finger off than do what it’s supposed to- and definitely not bullet proof.
Flip Windows and macOS and I think the meme works again.
It’s interesting to see a modern, POSIX compliant, Unix implementation characterized as a children’s toy. These arguments are simple minded. I develop on a Mac, and deploy it to Linux in most cases. And yes I do understand that this is also possible on widows now - but not my preference.
From your comment I’m going to guess that like most in this community, and lemmy as a whole, you know a lot more about this than your average user.
From the perspective of a reasonably tech savvy person that doesn’t like to be told how to do things and is willing to put in a little effort, the question I ask is this; is this hardware I bought actually mine to do with as I please out of the box with a minimum amount of guardrails to stop me from doing something really stupid unless I know what I’m doing as opposed to just licensing it from a nanny?
Linux - yes, maybe too much, at least for me.
Windows - yeah, usually.
Mac - lmao no, stfu and take your sippy cup.
And there is nothing wrong with someone who is just a user saying “I don’t ever want to deal with any of this shit, I’ll take the sippy cup.” But it’s still a sippy cup.
I really don’t see backing for this take like… anywhere?
Sure: Linux gives you absolute control, I won’t debate that. I work on a Mac however, and haven’t yet found any guard rails that a simple
sudo !!won’t get me passed.Windows on the other hand requires you to do all sorts of arcane shit if you want to do anything at all outside of checking boxes in a shitty GUI to enable/disable features.
Windows needs to be big brother watching at all times while forcing ads down your throat.
Apple just needs a very high price tag.
Even that needs a disclaimer. I was ordering some SFF PCs for my org last week and was kind of shocked how much the Lenovo and Dell PCs in that form factor were… out of curiosity I specc’d a Mac Mini with the same RAM and storage and they came in a little cheaper with a better processor. Only caveat is the lack of USB A ports, but dongles are super cheap anyway. If my users wouldn’t need training to use them I would definitely have considered (maybe even preferred from a device management perspective) the Mac Mini.
Factor in an energy cost savings as part of the TCO. A M4 Mini will save considerable energy over any comparable machine.
Managing Mac’s compared to PCs is such a dream it’s soooooo easy
As an engineer, I would rather develop on Mac than any other OS. I have shit to do and need to work in a POSIX compliant OS without bloat, while also not worrying about my OS install getting borked arbitrarily because I looked at it wrong.
Weird, I’ve been forced to use a Mac for work, never liked it. I prefer Debian or other non-rolling-release distros with long term support, and haven’t had a Linux install get messed up in many years (since I used Arch, and something went wrong with my proprietary Nvidia drivers after an update).
As another engineer, I won’t touch another Mac until it allows me to upgrade memory and disk without buying a whole other unit.
Never had to upgrade memory or disk in the lifespan of the machine. What really makes a difference though is 20 hours of battery life. You can run around the office without worrying about staying plugged in.
Also, AMD is also going towards the SoC approach.its only a matter of time before you can’t upgrade memory on PCs too.
I enjoyed using a MBP for a few years, mostly for the trackpad. I eventually grew too annoyed with the desktop crashes and iCloud bloat though. I built a new Linux workstation last year, and it just feels like home 🐧.
This is Mac
And this is Windows
You know macOS ships with a terminal ootb, right? There’s a reason it’s a massively popular option for devs.
Lies. I see no cameras and keyloggers on the windows side.
I was going to say that to make this accurate they need to show the complete car for windows.
There is a copilot in the passenger seat writing down everything you do and making suggestions left and right, and the screen has to have ad’s on it.
The back seats are empty and the rear doors are locked because you don’t havn’t licensed them.
