This is seriously a hot take
This is crazy. You shouldn’t use Ubuntu for anything desktop related. There’s nothing vanilla about vanilla Ubuntu.
(Custom Gnome extensions, patches on top of Gnome, custom sandbox packages that don’t always work, custom apt that refuses to install the real packages in place of snaps, paywalled security patches, should I keep going?)
Kubuntu LTS (
--minimal-install
; nosnap
fuckery from the start) has been wonderful.
Debian since 1998. No reason to change.
that should be their mission statement.
Use Debian. No good reason to change.
“You’ve done a lot of work to make this work. Do you really want more work?”™
I’m okay with it.
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Consistent branding over multiple decades!
Ubuntu is just Debian with extra steps… and snaps
Which is reason enough to go with Debian (I have an unreasonable issue with snaps).
yeah, snaps… they should have just gone with appimage I don’t like them either, but at least we can all settle on one bag of pain.
Use whatever the fuck you want, you fucking weirdo cultists.
This. I’d better use windows then listen to another round of debate Ubuntu vs Arch…
spoiler
I use arch btw
I use Kubuntu LTS (
--minimal-install
; nosnap
fuckery from get-go) btw.Garuda is also performing nicely on an older laptop.
I read it as clits. Just saying.
What other than what you just said are you “just saying”?
Arch?
Mint because the name is fun
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I consider myself to be ‘techie’ for lack of a better word. I have custom janky solutions for everything. I have in the past written down a blue screen and troubleshooted it to give the IT team notes… Hell, I used to be the guy IT would call if they received a ticket from my office (anyone in my office) because I could give them more details and such… So, I like computers and shit, right?
And holy fuck I don’t get the Linux world. I used Mint back in '13ish and it was fine but in a different place back then. I use Pop_OS! on my laptop and I like it just fine. I use Ubuntu on my secondary computer and I like it just fine. I don’t get what I’m supposed to prefer about all these different distros/environments. I can’t wrap my head around it. Do y’all change OSes that often? Am I missing out on something? Am I wrong or are y’all the kids who are wrong?
I feel like a lot of it is from new-ish users excited to talk about it and in the process of forming often prematurely strong opinions on this versus that within Linux. After 15 years of daily driving Linux desktop environments i settled on the one that gave me the least fuss and havent given it a second thought since. I suspect there are many with a similar story, but it’s a boring conversation start if people are looking to debate it.
i settled on the one that gave me the least fuss
Debian?
Lol, yep.
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If you’re a programmer: NixOS.
Define your OS config, which programs to install, and dotfiles in one repo. Install a fresh OS, pull in the repo (
nix-shell -p git
, because NixOS doesn’t come with git >_> ) and run the command to install the whole thing (sudo nixos-rebuild switch --flake .
for me.wodan
is just the name of a config - I have multiple all combines into one repo, so I can share configuration between machines).Took me 17 minutes to set up my laptop exactly the same as my Desktop. Same configuration, applications, and OS settings. It’s so fucking nice.
With Windows, that used to take 2 days to download and install everything manually.
Only downside: You’ll need to learn Nix-the-language, nix-the-os, and nix-the-terminal-program, which took about a month of deeply digging into the Vimjoyer and LibrePhoenix channels.
Just checked my Mint. Why Cinnamon uses so much VRAM? I have over 1GB idle, without anything running. In my Windows i usually have 400Mb with all things closed.
I remember this site
https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
But honestly, although I can’t check it, 1GB idle is still far more ram than what I get idle, so you might have some weird program auto-starting and actually eating your ram.
RAM is ok, i have plenty of it. VRAM (Video RAM) is the problem. The RAM of the GPU, used for showing graphics, UI etc.
Oof sorry my bad lol
TL;DR: I’m a true Linux noob, and now love and appreciate Linux thanks to openSUSE Tumbleweed. :)
In all seriousness, as a Linux noob, openSUSE Tumbleweed made me actually start to really enjoy using Linux as my main OS. I’ve fucked up plenty of times, and at that point I would’ve had to reinstall most other distros, but Snapper came in and saved the day. I’m sure there are plenty of other distros that do snapshots just as well, but this is coming from someone who last tried running Linux 5-6 years ago, and was still fucking my shit up somehow. I’ve never had the best of luck with Linux, which is why I always stayed on Windows.
Then came Microsoft’s ever increasing enshittification, and I saw openSUSE Tumbleweed on the distrowatch website, downloaded it, and here we are 8 months later, and openSUSE has remained my main OS. I only got a desktop for gaming, and it fit the bill almost perfectly. I had to learn some things, that’s for sure, but what got me to stay was the stability! I had never used a Linux distro up until that point that made BTRFS and system snapshots the default. This was crucial for someone like me who only dabbled in Linux because I love the idea behind it, I could just never get too far into using it before fucking my shit up!
There are plenty of options that are similar, or maybe even better than openSUSE, but they won my interest and respect for getting a noob like me to truly envelope themselves into Linux.
I’m still nowhere near anything that might resemble your common Linux user, but damn do I really love my computer again now. It’s like when I was kid again, and first started using computers, fascinated by what I could do.
Out of curiosity, do you have an Nvidia graphics card? I tried migrating to Linux at the beginning of this year, but I couldn’t get my favorite games to run, like Cyberpunk 2077 and Kingdom Come Deliverance, so I ended up bailing.
EDIT: I don’t recommend using the flatpak version of Steam, because it gets buried in folders that aren’t human-readable. I installed the openSUSE version, and chose a sane folder name like how it is on windows where all my games are stored.
Yes! I had a 2080ti that I replaced with a 5080 two months ago.
I had no issues whatsoever when I first installed openSUSE, because the graphics card was probably old enough to be supported fully by the time I made my way into this OS.
When I upgraded from the 2080ti to the 5080… I did not have a good time for a few days as I had to learn (the hard way) that nvidia switched from whatever drivers I was using to some “open-driver” that they are going with moving forward (I think, don’t quote me).
I messed up plenty of times trying to get this new graphics card working, but let me tell you, thanks to snapper and BTRFS, I felt confident that no matter how many things I tried, I would always have a snapshot to return everything back to “before swapping cards” is what I named the snapshot through YaST System Snapshots.
After I found the correct terminal commands to install the new open-drivers on the openSUSE website, I was good to go again!
Since then, I’ve played and beaten DOOM: The Dark Ages (came with my card, had to sign into Windows and use a fucking chromium browser for whatever god awful reason…), System Shock Remake, and just a few days ago, Prey (2017).
When playing games through Proton (or even on windows!), I highly recommend going to pcgamingwiki.com, finding your game you want to play, and reading some of the great tips they have on there (ini config, for example on System Shock, because enemies were appearing way way to close to me instead of being able to see them from a distance) and the most important bit to me since I like to edit my saves or back them up to my own server, is the location of your save file in proton compatibility prefix. So, on KDE, I can copy whatever prefix number (System Shock being 482400) and copy that number, open up KDE Runner (windows key+spacebar for me) paste the number in, and go into the compatdata folder.
Needless to say, I’m almost positive that your nvidia graphics cards will be supported in some way, but you just may need to study up a bit before you have it working. Once it is working though, it is working great! :)
My laptop has an nvidia gpu. It never really worked right on Bazzite, basically could not game unless the igpu could run the game. I switched it over to Garuda (which I had been running on my desktop for a couple of years) and the gpu drivers all just worked. It now plays games just as easily as my desktop. The above comment could basically be exactly my experience, just replace openSUSE Tumbleweed with Garuda. I am unlikely to hop distros because I (luckily) found one that “just works” for me.
Honestly, that is kind of the beauty of Linux to me, and why I hate all of the “distro recommendation” threads. If someone only tries one distro, they might never stay because they got unlucky. I’d love for them all to truly work just as well as any other, like so many posts claim, but it just isn’t the case (out of the box, at least). We all have so many varied experiences that drive those recommendations.
As someone with two separate computers that have nvidia cards, I can only recommend hopping distros until one works.
(I’m not going to admit that manjaro worked out of the box on both of them and I ended up staying on it out loud on the internet)
Same bro, Nvidia and Linux don’t play very nice together. I had horrible framerates in browser animations for example, so even videos ran at 3fps or so with audio glitches.
Not to mention 3d gaming. I’ll try again in a few years, see if it changes.
Using pop OS for 5 years. Never tried any other, never seen the need to. I picked at mostly random and don’t really understand the differences.
I went Ubuntu > Mint > Ubuntu > Pop_os. The only difference I’ve noticed is Pop breaks less often.
I used Mint for a good long while, but went to Fedora KDE for better Wayland support. KDE is quite different to Cinnamon, not sure I have the words to articulate how. It’s fussier. The main difference about Fedora is package management, DNF is slower than APT, a lot less software is packaged as RPMs, and a lot of “we don’t package it, you have to compile it” software offers no instructions for Fedora, and trying to translate the Debian/Ubuntu instructions practically always fails because the library they want you to install isn’t there. So Fedora is Linux with less software.
I actually wanted to run Ubuntu and then Fedora, but they both kept breaking out of nowhere. I don’t know get why people have a more stable experience than I do with these, I don’t even fucking tinker and fuck with shit.
where’s nixos on the graph?
Asking ChatGPT to help them get games running since there’s no worthy wiki 🥲
GPT: “first, I’m gonna need you to drop a
hardware.opengl.enable = true;
”Me: “GPT, you fucking slut! They changed the
opengl
option tographics
in 23.11!”
no one uses nixos for gaming. its mostly ricing and home servers.
ok call me “no one” then, you someone
Is there any reason not to? I was thinking of using nixos whenever I switch to linux on my desktop just for the sake of ‘doing it properly’. I’ve mostly used archinstall before (home server and laptop) but it seems fairly breakable because I have no idea exactly what’s doing what.
no reason not to but nixos isnt gaming-marketed
I have a nixos machine with Steam on it. It works great 🤷♂️
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I use gentoo out of elitism and I want the Linux to be taken over by corps so I can move to a real is called freebsd