There’s billions of life forms on there. Say a shrimp dies and isn’t eaten up or anything by scavengers, could it pickle over time? The way we pickle meats in a salt brine? The ocean is a salt brine in itself.

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    16 days ago

    there are places in the sea that it so briney, that it kills most organisms , but usually extremophiles can survive said salt concentrations and can feed on carcasses, usually halophiles, most are archaea and some bacteria.

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    19 days ago

    The sea is not “a salt brine in itself”. You need a much higher salt concentration to pickle anything than what you find at any point in the ocean. Enough to prevent microbial life forms from surviving and consuming whatever it is you’re trying to pickle, which is why it doesn’t rot while pickling.

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      19 days ago

      2% salt brines are standard, I presume lower percentage work.

      And the saltiest bodies of water (by memory) are like 0.4%?

      I know its a big difference but I really thought the right animal, if left alone could get there. But I guess I didnt think of what the minimum percentage is needed for

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    19 days ago

    If a dead thing would pickle, pretty much everything in the sea would end up pickled alive

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    19 days ago

    There are pockets and layers of water in the ocean that behave very differently from each other. There are areas of high salt concentration that pretty much act as death horizons for many organisms. There are waters completely devoid of oxygen that suffocate organisms that get lost or stuck in it.

    So, in a sense: yes. However the degree to which marine life had adapted to these conditions, the more unlikely parameter is a dead organism not being consumed by scavengers.

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    19 days ago

    The ocean is absolutely PACKED with life like bacteria, viruses, and other microscopic organisms. Even if the salinity is high, it’s unlikely that you would get an ideal “pickling.” Hypothetically, if were there very few of those around for some reason, maybe? Maybe for a little bit. A more likely situation may be one where an organism was eventually fossilized due to being covered by something. And we ALL know being fossilized is better than being pickled, right?

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    19 days ago

    Depends on the conditions, I’d say. If you have an area that has low oxygen and high saline concentration, one could potentially preserve large parts of the carcass. A big challenge though is the substances brought by the carcass itself, like enzymes and bacteria that are not directly exposed to the oxygen-deficient saline-abundant water, which can thrive and remain active for a long period of time. However, if this carcass sinks to incredible depths, where the pressure is really high, temperature is a constant 4 degrees, very low concentration of scavengers or thriving organisms, and potentially sinks a bit into the sediment for a long time, you’ll essentially get pickle juice fossil fuel.

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    18 days ago

    Every multicellular creature lives in symbiosis with a plethora of bacteria, inside and outside of its system, those will always be the first to start decomposition. You’d need extreme conditions to sterilize those and avoid decomposition, and even then, there’s pretty much not a cubic millimeter in the ocean that isn’t filled with other bacteria and fungi.

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    19 days ago

    out of curiosity what is the average salinity? We often use 0.85% saline to suspend organisms and red cells to keep osmotic pressure stable, I’m just curious if its around that level.

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      19 days ago

      Ocean salinity varies slightly but averages around 3.5%. Brackish water would be less than 3% as long as it’s saltier than freshwater, which is limited to 0.05%. Brine, which OP is asking for, is water with 5% or greater salinity. The ocean doesn’t get that high but salt lakes definitely can, the Dead Sea is almost 35% salinity. Also why it’s called the “Dead” sea, FWIW. Maybe you could pickle stuff there.

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    19 days ago

    I’m no expert in the field, but under the right conditions, possibly. But that would also be incredibly unlikely. The oceans are so full of life that something would feed on the remains, and even if not it would be more likely to decompose than be preserved. Bacteria is everywhere, including in the ocean, and bacteria is a significant component in decomposition.

    I believe the brine solution we use for preserving food is a much higher salt concentration than sea water.

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      19 days ago

      OK now this is what my instincts were exactly. I’ll believe the non expert bc you say what I want to hear, thanks.

      (I see no flaw in my argument)