Other than them both being dickheads
Wow. Reading the comments, it’s amazing how uninformed people here are.
Read the news, folks.
What?! Only fools believe what the professional journalists say! Dintcha hear? It’s all fake news! The only real news is the stuff you see online, in random and especially backwater Internet forums, because why would some random, anonymous person lie or have things wrongly worked out? Trust in the obscure and unverifiable!
I’m putting 50/50 odds that it’s an intentional, theatrical distraction from other more important things that are going on, or it’s just the inevitable outcome of two malignant narcissist sociopaths being in the same room together too often. If they quickly kiss and make up I’ll lean more towards the former than the latter.
Nah, musk has said some stuff that you don’t come back from. There is no way Trump says “eh, he accused me of being a pedophile but it’s all good”.
That’s exactly my point. If they do in a few days “come back from” that and are all buddy buddy again, then I think that indicates it was just a staged performance for show and distraction and none of it was real fighting. Suggests it was all just an act. (IF they do come back from it. Which remains to be seen)
Muskrat has already backed down from a few things he said in the “heat” of the argument, like that he was going to disassemble the Dragon capsules. So I wouldn’t jump to your conclusion that they can’t possibly “come back from” this, my point is just that if they do, it was probably all just an act to begin with because I agree if it’s real, stuff was said that neither one of these vindictive sociopaths is likely to forget.
I’ve found criminals and high up business people are never friends, just friends when it suits them. They’ll have HUGE fallouts then be ok with each other when they need each other. Just IME
I find Bell Of The Ranch usually summarizes these sorts of political situations adequately.
Disclaimer: She’s not a news source. But, you know, neither are we here, so…
TL;DW: She doesn’t really talk about what they fell out over, instead she latches on to what she thinks is the main issue people are overlooking: (she claims) Musk is basically telling the GOP that Trump has only 3 years left, he’s old news, but he “will be around for 40 more years”.
The same thing that got them together. Money.
Don’t doubt that but do you know what exactly?
I doubt it is one thing but there is a bill on the floor about removing tax credits for EVs which would hit Tesla quite bad.
Publicly, Elon said Trump’s bill was full of pork and would increase spending and debt by a lot.
Voters on the right were already waking up to how shitty Trump’s bill was, and Musk just used his megaphone to let even more of Trump’s base know that it sucked.
Privately, Musk is probably pissed that Trump’s bill didn’t help his companies. These are two greedy assholes. It all comes down to money and ego at the end of the day.
That’s a really good explanation thanks! Can you ELI5 why the bill sucked?
The bill give massive tax cuts to the extremely rich, and it attempts to pay for part of that by:
- kicking many low income and disabled people off of federally funded health insurance
- closes poor rural hospitals that depend on Medicaid money
- cutting subsidies for manufacturing jobs that make emerging green tech, like EVs
- food and child care assistance will disappear for many poor families.
- and there is a bunch of weird little sneaky things hidden in it that people hope don’t get noticed because the bill is 200+ pages
When you do the math, the rich will get a lot of money, the very poor will have lose money, the and middle class will break even but many will be put on unemployment.
And it costs an extra $4,000,000,000,000, which is fucking bonkers.
This sounds ludicrously bad. What are the perceived benefits? How is it being sold to peopl? It sounds abysmal
From the people I know, who do depend on these programs and like Trump, they don’t believe they will have their benefits reduced. The think the other people, “taking advantage” of the system will be kicked off. It’s being sold as reducing fraud and abuse. The right-wing has been pushing this framing for decades, and many people have bought into it.
Yes that’s true. And most people agree fraudulently claiming benefits is wrong
Yeah, that’s how they sell it. Problem is, studies have shown the fraud in these programs isn’t much of an expense, in the broader context. And, Trump has granted clemency to Lawrence Duran, who stole $205M from Medicare, which tells you they don’t really care about that. These programs are actually pretty efficient, and spending funds to investigate small-time fraud would often cost more than just letting it happen. It’s not like tons of people wish to be on our shitty social programs that don’t even supply enough help for the people that absolutely need it.
I guess the big argument is that giving a bunch of money to the wealthy will stimulate the economy. Although, that’s an argument that many nations, including the US, have 50 years of data on, and there isn’t much to support that argument. Trickle down economics hasn’t been shown to work.
I also, if you’re in the camp that doesn’t believe in climate change and or thinks poor people are poor because of character flaws, then you probably like this thing. Or if you’re a wealthy person who donated a lot of money to republican politicians, you probably like this thing, because it’s a return on investment.
It’s not particularly great. Many people on the right only voted for it because they’re afraid Trump will primary them, and end their political careers, if they oppose.
Although, that’s an argument that many nations, including the US, have 50 years of data on, and there
isn’t muchis nothing to support that argument. Trickle down economicshasn’t been shown to workhas been conclusively shown to not work.FTFY
Normal people hate it because it’s gutting things like Medicare, and GOP ghouls hate it because it doesn’t cut enough and will add to the deficit by a lot
Ah I see thanks. Cits to medicaid can only be bad IMO. How does it add to the deficit?
It’s four trillion dollars in spending, huge tax cuts that mean less revenue on top of the cost, and cuts to incredibly important programs.
Ahhhh thanks 😊
No, the GOP hates it because it will cut into their poorest voters, big time, such a cut that Fox won’t be able to explain it away.
Doubt
Who cares? You ever take a shit, turn around and say “hmm… I wonder what that shit is feeling”. No. You flush it down the toilet where it belongs with the rest of the shit in the world
With you in spirit, but they have too much control over too many lives to just be dismissive about.
Unfortunately, by that metaphor, the world is constipated.
Musk realized Tesla couldn’t do the rebate scams if the bill passed
Also Trump mad because DOGE was a failure (from a budget cut perspective), and Trump mad because he wants to pass the big beautiful bill that will astonishingly explode the national debt and defecit, but Trump is either too stupid to understand that it will do that, or he’s mad that anyone in his circle would publically say as much… or some combo of both.
Its like with the tariffs: Trump is genuinely so stupid he doesn’t understand how any of this actually works, but at the same time, any idea he came up with is a good idea and fuck you if you disagree… because he has the emotional maturity of a narcissistic 12 year old.
Bigger than that, I think Musk finally realized that Trump only holds up his end of deals as long as it’s advantageous for him. The rest of us have known that for as long as we’ve known Trump, but hey, being a totally legit super genius has its downsides, right? Anyways, Trump promised him a buffet of corruption, then got cold feet when he saw musks appetite. Even more than that, they’re two self-appointed kings of their own worlds, both with the emotional intelligence/maturity of a very traumatized teenager. With their levels of obvious insecurity, their arrangement was never going to work. I’m just glad their break up is as juicy as I thought it would be. :)
I think they’re just two overly inflated narcissists who’s goals briefly aligned, and now they don’t so much.
I think that’s likely all it was. But, I also think it’s a little too convenient that Trump is done with Elon now that the dirty work has been done to line up manufactured support for their billionaire tax break bill. At risk of getting a little conspiratorial, it’s possible Trumps team actually planned to use Elon to do all the worst damage so they could cut him loose, after the fact, then blame him for the worst of the fallout.
Pretty much everything we’ve expected has come to pass so far, only much faster than any of us could’ve foreseen. I would’ve expected them to “get along” for a year or so before calling it quits, but evidently they didn’t even last that long.
Still hella amusing though.
Well said. They are just for themselves and now they are no longer align
How is a tax rebate a scam?
You buy an EV, you fill it out on your tax return, you get up to $7500.
Where’s the scam in that? Please tell me.
In some circumstances the company also gets a cut of rebate. I don’t know about anything that may or may not be going on in the US on this front, but in Canada Tesla’s been under scrutiny because they submitted a bunch of forms last minute claiming sales that did not look legitimate, just before the Canadian program ended.
He convinced the government to subsidize the sale of his products to consumers. It makes sense on paper because we want more people driving electric cars. However, Tesla of all companies doesn’t deserve the “handout”, even though it’s to consumers. They don’t deserve the boost in sales, recognition, etc.
It’s not technically a scam (the best kind!) but it’s helping out the richest man and biggest asshole in the world, so it might as well be.
That’s Canada. That’s not the American tax rebate.
Can you ELI5?
Trump wasn’t giving him the policies/legislation he was asking for that would put his businesses at an advantage. Additionally Elon was unhappy with the tarrifs. Lastly, they both have large and delicate egos.
Musk feels like he bought a president and should own him outright, Trump feels like he’s renting a timeshare on the oval office and Musk is taking up too much of his ‘allotted’ time.
Musk was taking all the attention and jumping about like a dick.
First rift was musk was going to get classified briefings on China and Trump put a stop to it.
Also Musk had a fall out with Bessent and Trump sided with Besset.
Also rumoured he fucked Steven Millers wife (who is a lefty and would blacken a right eye with a hook).
Nothing to do with the bill at all IMO. He does not give a single fuck about that in any form. Just a pain point he knows he can drive a wedge through a big part of Trumps base.
While I am sure there are real, specific reasons that can be pointed to as “the reason,” the real answer is that you can’t put two narcissists in a room together and tell them they’re on the same team. This always was the only possible outcome.
What are the chances they are working together and creating a distraction?
Less than 1%.
People vastly overestimate these bozos.
They aren’t lying. They actually believe this shite. They aren’t playing genius 5d chess they are just reactive morons. Look at the leaked Signal group chats.
No doubt Vance is a bit smarter and is acting a bit, given all the ‘Trump is americas Hitler’ stuff. But this is unspoken between them.
I see your point, but I’d be cautious of underestimating them.
Regardless of their own shortcomings, they have more resources than virtually anyone else on the planet to compensate for them. They certainly have teams of incredibly smart, and incredibly well paid people scheming for them.
Different kind of smart. I dont underestimate them I just see right through them.
It’s us leftists projecting reality onto them, thinking they must be lying. But after a lot of prodding, nope. Cognitive dissonance.
They have people who are Ben Carson smart. Domain-specific. Not in general reasoning, critical thinking, or capable of maintaining such a façade. Anyone smart would’ve distanced themselves along time ago unless they are grifting them. And generally those types of smarts don’t end in MAGA to start with. Just like how MAGAts don’t end up as artists. (Name one conservative artist who isn’t shit)
And Trump cannot lie. Yes, all he does it lie. But he also cannot lie. If you ask him if he commited a crime he’ll straight up admit to it. Everytime. He rejects the premise of guilt. The lies he does tell are done out of a mix of unconscious strategic self-presentation and the fact he is just thick as shit and believes whatever he sees on the TV.
They’re both raging self obsessed narcs who can’t stand anyone else getting attention. It was just a matter of time.
Tl;dr: housecats
It’s also possible that this is just political theater designed to distract people
Also I think Tesla stock went up a bit since this whole thing started. Muskrat might just be trying to distance himself from Trump to save Tesla’s sales numbers.
I feel like you don’t call the President of the United States a kid fucker to millions of people unless you’re serious. It’s possible but it seems pretty unlikely
That’s what I thought originally but then I got high and thought about it more and it seemed pretty likely they could go that far. And things getting stranger than they already are seems likely to me.
EDIT: Also, Musk called that scuba diver guy a kid fucker. Nothing came of that except ridicule
You’re traumatized and overthinking it. They are not that smart. A good thing is happening. Enjoy it.
musk wanted the govt to spend less, trump wanted it to spend more
