Marjorie Taylor Greene, a prominent Republican congresswoman and a staunch ally of Trump, suggested a return to “measles parties” for children. She criticized contemporary attitudes towards vaccination, stating, “Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.”

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    I was a kid when they were first developing the vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella (we called it German measles). So my brothers and I all got every one of them. I remember being sick with them, and with one of the measles types (don’t remember which) I was so sick I though I was gonna die. I’ll never forget lying there, even thinking of certain things made me puke (or dry heave) so I had to concentrate on not thinking of anything. I remember puking so hard it came out my nose. One of my brothers was so sick, his fever was so high, they took him to the hospital.

    Do parents really want to put their children through this instead of a shot? WTF

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      Long before there was a vaccine, I developed meningitis from a measles infection. Luckily my parents weren’t idiots and took me to the hospital. I ran a high fever, had febrile convulsions and hallucinated. Afterwards, I was over-sensitive to light for at least a week. Anyone who would inflict that on a kid belongs in prison or worse.

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      I assume it’s more about the parents high-fiving each other over really sticking it to the man or something. It’s just one of the results of rampant anti-intellectualism. The kids are just a random collateral in that circlejerk of those brake pads of evolution.

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        I don’t think it’s that. I think they’ve been brainwashed by anit-vax propaganda into truly being afraid of vaccines, combined with not understanding how severe these diseases are and how serious the consequences of not vaccinating can be.

        We need to make it a priority to teach critical thinking skills in schools.

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          The scary thing is that it is hard to put the lid back on the bottle. If you try to tell them the facts they will see it as just more government brain washing.

          I don’t really have much of an answer

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      I think the problem is fear. Parents are genuinely scared of vaccines because of the misinformation that’s been spread around.

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    Well, that is certainly one way to vax a community against most contagious diseases. And I will admit that it’s better than not vaccinating at all. But not by much. The standard vaccine protocol would be cheaper and more effective.

    Damned fool of an idiot.

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    This is why Republicans are stupid, a vaccine is a controlled and safe measles exposure with some risk that is 1 in a 100. You are doing the same thing with measles parties but more reckless dangerous levels of infection and putting your kid at risk of death like 1/15 if you send them to the measles parties.

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      I should start selling pillows. Not comfortable pillows. Just a brand of pillows to scream into when life hands you no other options for releasing your frustration.

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      1 in 100 is ridiculously overstating the serious risks, borderlining on misinformation. You are not doing the same thing with measles parties at all

      Here are the risks of the mmr vaccine

      Death: literally 1 in a million. These are typically due to anaphylaxis. In much rarer cases underlying immune disorders are triggered, underlying neurological conditions such as encephalitis are triggered, or very severe thrombocytopenia occurs. The majority of cases of thrombocytopenia induced by the vaccine (which is still astoundingly rare) are not nearly this severe and are correctable

      Anaphylaxis: literally 1 in a million

      Febrile seizures: between 1 in 3000 and 1 in 4000

      Thrombocytopenia, a low platelet count: 1 in 40,000. Again, most cases are not fatal

      Mild swelling of the glands similar to mumps: 1 in 1000

      Mild side effects like rash or fever though? About 5%

      Now to contrast:

      If you catch measles you have about a 1 in 1000 chance of dying. This is in America, the risk is higher in less developed countries and countries where vaccinations rates are lower (and thus pockets of America where vaccination rates are low may see higher death rates). This is because of the potential risk of developing pneumonia and encephalitis

      People who are anti vaccination do not understand medicine at all and do understand the most basic statistics. The fact of the matter is vaccines can and do cause harm. There is no getting around that fact. But the chance of you encountering the harm from vaccines is astronomically lower than the risk of of encountering harm from the diseases they are protecting you from.

      To put it quite simply: if you vaccinate your child with the mmr vaccine they have a 1 in a million chance of dying. If you do not and they catch measles they have a 1 in a thousand chance of dying. If you purposely infect them with measles you should be charged with child abuse.

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        One other devastating reason to vaccinate, particularly against measles: measles can give your immune system amnesia. All that precious “natural immunity” that these ghouls profess? You can just fucking LOSE it and have to relearn how to fight off previous infections. It’s a goddamned factory reset to day one, but without mommy’s antibodies you got in utero, nor from breast milk. Unless you’re Robin Arryn of the Vale from Game of Thrones.

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          1 in 1000 given a working hospital system. Without the vaccine, hospitals would be completely inundated with patients.

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            To be clear I don’t think you were trying to be misleading or anything and I apologize if I came off as rude. By nature of my work I talk to anti vaccine people a lot and it can be trying

            I mean to ultimately stress the point that somehow we have lost the plot. When vaccines came out people truly understood that the vaccine was a tremendous advantage over the alternative. Primarily because at the time they had seen firsthand the chilling effects of disease ravaging their communities

            It unfortunately appears we will have a reminder of that soon because stupid selfish morons refuse to read a book and as result their “right to liberty” will result in countless deaths. Sorry to grandma, sorry to babies, maga dork doesn’t trust doctors

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        Anaphylaxis is typically treatable especially at the Dr most people live even in that incredibly rare event.

        There have been no deaths shown to be related to the MMR vaccine in healthy people.

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      There have been no deaths shown to be related to the MMR vaccine in healthy people. Tons of kids will die from measels

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    i had no sympathy for anti-vax adults during covid, their choice to risk their lives. But children with basic vaccinations? their parents are taking the risk and the ones that didn’t choose are getting the consequences

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      One side takes the risk, the other side faces the consequences.

      Are we still talking about parents/children? Because that also applies to republican politicians/everybody else

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      I’m pretty sure they did recently develop a vaccine for Ebola that they are trying to distribute in the affected areas of Africa, but I’m afraid that US governmental funding, the WHO, and American-based NGOs were involved, so who knows if the money exists for the manufacturing and distribution anymore.

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      Quick, somebody make a placebo an “ebola vaccine” and convince Republican politicians that they’re not true Trump supporters unless they have an Ebola Party at the RNC.

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    She thinks the measles are like chicken pox, pretty much harmless to young ones. My parents tried to get me sick in the 70s, that’s just how it was done before we had a chicken pox vaccine. Finally got it at 16, still have the scars nearly 40-years later. But I got my shingles vax!

    She’s literally this stupid. Some things we see these nuts try to pull off make sense, from an evil point of view. This move is plain stupid, and because we’ve forgotten what measles are people will listen.

    BTW, I’m 54 and just now learning what measles are and how bad it can be. I had no clue, because I’ve never met anyone that had it.

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      i had chickenpox as a kid, i remember the aveeno baths for it, we were set in the same room to “inonculate” the rest of the siblings. as there was no vaccine at the time. Chickenpox is quite severe for adults though. i did get shingles around 20yo though. theres is shingles to potentially turn severe, but its rare. shingles can cause meningitis, and encephalitis, as well as spinal cord damage.

      people who arnt sure about thier chickenpox immunity can ask thier doctors to do antibody titers(it doesnt detect dormant chickenpox in your ganglia though because theres no way to detect it outside of autopsy), your doctor maybe reluctant to administer the test though.

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        When my cousin had chicken pox my mom popped her finger in my cousin’s mouth, then popped that finger in my and my brother’s mouths.

        I was a kid in the 90s and while pox was already somewhat of old sounding word, it feels especially archaic to realize that kids don’t have to go through any poxes anymore.

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        When my husband moved to Germany from Russia, he had no idea whether he was vaccinated as a child or not (he very likely was, but there weren’t records he was aware of and his mom died early). So he went to the doctor’s to ask for titers. They said they could test that but he would have to pay out of pocket, and offered to just vaccinate him again for free. He went through all the children’s vaccines - including chicken pox, which wasn’t around when we were kids (90s). It is the simpler, more accessible, and cheaper alternative to titers.

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          Thank you for sharing that — especially with it being personal information. Like your husband, I moved to Germany and cannot check my vaccination history — at least not easily, being estranged from my relatives. Coming from Spain and having been born in the late 90s, I very likely received all the usual vaccines. Still, I’ve been wondering what I could do about this for years. I will ask my Hausärztin sometime.

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        I got chickenpox before the vaccination was a thing. It sucked. Then I got shingles a few years ago. That really sucked.

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    are these politicians trying to kill/alienate their own bases?

    a new name for my filters btw.

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      Thanks to the magic of internet brain …

      Her initials being MTG I always think of the MTG ass crack meme and so she is forever defaulted as a hairy ass rack in my brain.

      That’s the image of her I have.

      Thank you.

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      Laws are not made for the rich and in line. Its made for us. We can complain all we want but we should be able to all see this pattern by now