Chrome is one of the first things I disable on my Android devices, and I hate the idea of signing up for any accounts just to access local files.
But Canon welcomed me with a big surprise, and a fuck you, too!
on my camera i can plug it directly into my phone and transfer it with a usbc cable
You’ll end up with better quality images this way compared to transferring them to Canon servers where they’ll likely be compressed or altered.
They’re not being transmitted to canon before downloading. The camera starts a (slow) local WiFi network that the phone can connect to and it directly transfers that way. This means you still get full quality RAW files
Not to mention likely cataloged by geotag and used for “targeted marketing” by Canon and “select partners”.
That shit is just creepy.
Probably used to train an AI model as well
This is actually the real reason behind the change
it prob does this already on the camera wish someone figured out how to make open source camera os
I don’t have much experience with cameras but isn’t it usually sd cards that you can pull out and transfer using a sd reader? Does the camera have internal storage that needs an account and app?
For data transfer only, yes, you can eject the SD card and copy your files.
But the app is used for other features, too. So you’re inconvenienced no matter what feature you use.
Yeah I guessed that much but your original post was a bit confusing as it doesn’t mention the app. Hence the question.
Well canon seems like a product to avoid. This person shouldn’t now know better for their future purchases l.
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The problem is, you don’t always know thwy will do this until after you pay your money for them.
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Especially if its a few years down the line when you’re already a few grand in to their system
I worry a day will come that it’s all of them.
Not to defend Canon but can you not just use USB or transfer via SD Card? Just asking because I just got an EOS RP.
The app was used for live view and also geotagging, in addition to file transfer. So this requirement affects several features.
Alright well I need Geotagging so guess I’ll have to sign up. I completely forgot how shitty Canon were because I got massive tunnel vision while searching for a camera to buy…
Some other users pointed out that you can stay on an older version before the signup requirement and it will continue to work fine even without an internet connection. That’s what I’m going to do.
So to get Geotagging I need the camera to be connected to the phone on the latest firmware?
You just need the app. Either the older version (no account needed) or the new app (with an account).
But this also depends on the camera. I believe new ones can geotag live via Bluetooth (with the app). This is how my Panasonic camera does it.
But you can also set the app to keep a log of your location, so as you take photos, you can have the app tag them before transfer.
Check your camera’s manual to see how it works.
Oh that’s too bad. Guess I’m not buying that shit.
Are you sure? Thats not acceptable for most professionals so i doubt there is no way around it. Whats the modelname of your camera? How are you trying to access the files?
Are you sure?
100% Canon announced this last month, ironically on April Fool’s Day!. Funny, that they say it makes the experience “more convenient and enjoyable”.
Yeah, it was fine before, when you’d open the app, connect to your camera, and download the images.
Whats the modelname of your camera? How are you trying to access the files?
We’ve got several Canon cameras, and you cannot proceed to use the app unless you log in. This isn’t to allow for cloud storage or anything like this. This is to do ANYTHING through the app, including location data tagging, live view, etc.
So instead of just mounting the camera as storage, they require a proprietary app using a surveillance-packed web browser? Yeah, I’d be returning that pile of awful.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. Why even need an app? The camera stores the pictures on an SD card anyway (probably). If the app is nice and has some extra features like being able to pick the best shot from a series, fine, but I somehow doubt that it does more than transfer pictures lol
It’s for transferring pictures over the wifi network or a local wifi network that the camera is hosting. If you have the SD card plugged in, there’s absolutely no reason to use the app instead of your phone’s file manager. I don’t even think the app will recognize an SD card, but I don’t really know. It might recognize a plugged in camera, but it doesn’t advertise that and I’ve never tried.
It allows you to grab an image, develop the RAW, do a quick edit on your phone or tablet, upload to socials, share with friends, etc. If that’s your thing.
You can also use it to geotag your photos/files automatically with the gps in your phone. It does firmware updates as well.
Also does remote shooting including allowing you to change exposure settings without touching the camera. Useful for photo and video in that respect.
I just uninstalled it. Going to keep using my usb-c hub with included SD card reader if I need to get at my media before I can get to a computer.
Using your Canon ID to login to Canon’s digital camera software and apps will give you access to quick and easy product registration, tailored notifications about firmware, software updates, equipment notifications, new product announcements, and more to help optimize your experience with your Canon equipment.
So, ads? You’d figure the account would provide extra features (that we didn’t need) but this doesn’t even give anything to the user.
And there is no other way to access the camera from your phone? Cant you just mount it as a storage medium over USB? Or if all else fails just use a USBC card reader dongle…
It’s more than just file transfer, unfortunately.
If you want to control your camera through the app, or geotag photos… you now have to use an account that connects to Canon (and probably 1001 “partners”).
Well then the title is just misleading i guess. If you need an app for extra features, they will harvest your data anyways even without an account. Unless the app was working without internet access before. The mistake is buying a camera that requires an app that isnt using an open protocol and expecting Canon not to make use of their software lock in thumb screws. In a year they will want a monhtly subscription fee for you to use the app.
Unless the app was working without internet access before.
It was.
The mistake is buying a camera that requires an app that isnt using an open protocol and expecting Canon not to make use of their software lock in thumb screws.
To ge fair, these cameras were purchased before the Golden Age of Enshittification.
As hardware features like built-in GPS were offloaded to apps, choices became slim.
A tip: you can build your own camera using a Raspberry Pi. There are kits. There are lenses and sensors which impress.
Bah just buy clip-on accessory lenses for your phone. Cheap and cheerful. There is/was? even a thread standard for these little monsters. I had a metal case for my S7 that had a threaded opening over the camera and I could screw in a macro lens or a 12x telescope. Got me all the ladies too. No it didn’t.
Did you know you can build your own nationwide internet?
All you need to do is buy billions of dollars worth of gear and put it together yourself! It’s so easy!
Reminds me of some car restoration videos.
“With the donation of a brand new, 100% rebuilt motor supplied by our friends at NAMEDROP CUSTOMS, we can get this build done for a cool $2k!”
“and just like that! skips three weeks of footage, we’re done!”
A tip: you can build your own car using a Raspberry Pi. There are kits. There are motors and batteries that impress.
Yes, the depth of field and image quality the camera kit sensors and lenses produce sure can match those produced by full frame sensors and lenses. And fuck Canon’s industry leading autofocus, OP can write their own autofocus algorithm too!
Autofocusing external lenses is a real problem. Fuck the lens makers indeed, as a result of which I’ve only used Raspberry Pi based systems with manual focus.
Depth of field is a property of the lens, not the sensor.
Sensors: if you want to take pictures in starlight, you can get IMX585 (hard due to market problems). If you want lots of pixels, 64 M is not a problem. If you want to photograph a bullet, you can get the low-pixel global shutter sensor, there is code around to take video at 500 fps (disclaimer: tiny video, extreme light level required).
Cameras can be homebrewed, big integrators like Canon charge too much.
I’ve only used Raspberry Pi based systems with manual focus.
Well that’s certainly a problem, isn’t it? You don’t know what OP does with their camera, if it’s a hobby or for a living. Go try suggesting building a RPi camera kit to sports photographers, see if they give a fuck about it.
Depth of field is a property of the lens, not the sensor.
DoF has everything to do with sensor SIZE. You are simply never going to get the level of shallow depth of field with tiny sensors compared to even M43 or bigger sensors. You are simply never going to get the ISO performances or dynamic range of a bigger sensor because the photosites are just physically huge compared to those in phone camera sensors. Even a cheap old 12MP DSLR is going to destroy the images quality coming out of the best 64MP rpi camera kit, not even a question. And not to mention all the other functions a modern camera has, like weather sealing, subject detect autofocus, auto white balance, color science, image stabilization, etc.
Sensors: if you want to take pictures in starlight, you can get IMX585 (hard due to market problems). If you want lots of pixels, 64 M is not a problem. If you want to photograph a bullet, you can get the low-pixel global shutter sensor, there is code around to take video at 500 fps (disclaimer: tiny video, extreme light level required).
I count 3 different sensors for each scenario now, and you even know their downsides. What makes you think OP is willing to deal with these? The global shutter sensor is a 1.6MP sensor. Yeah, that absolutely can replace the gear that captured the photo of the bullet whizzing by Trump and won the Pulitzer prize.
What makes you think OP is willing to deal with these?
I’m not interested in whether the OP is even interested in open architecture or DIY. I’m pointing out that alternatives exist, and they are decent alternatives.
Yeah, that absolutely can replace the gear that captured the photo of the bullet whizzing by Trump and won the Pulitzer prize.
Capturing a photo of a bullet that’s been slowing down for 300 meters is not a great technical feat. Try to buy a ballistics camera from Canon, see how much you end up paying (if they agree to sell).
P.S. To my recollection, one inch and 3/4 inch sensors are available for Pi. Note: this is experimental, but: https://github.com/will127534/OneInchEye
I’m pointing out that alternatives exist, and they are decent alternatives.
And I’m pointing out that those alternatives in practicality are not even close. Suggesting a hobby project out of the blue when OP is not even asking for it (and even claiming that they are comparable) is just dumb.
Capturing a photo of a bullet that’s been slowing down for 300 meters is not a great technical feat.
You just missed my point about the 1.6MP elephant in the room. And that’s just ignoring every other camera feature used to take the shot, which you would have to manually dial in with your rpi camera. You are simply not going to do that in the chaos.
You just missed my point about the 1.6MP elephant in the room.
For your information, a global shutter sensor is not required in that scenario.
A global shutter is advisable if you want to get detailed video of a fast moving object that fills a large percentage of the frame, without distorting the shape of the moving object. With rolling shutter, you still see, but get a distorted (elongated, stepped) moving object.
- Does a bullet missing Trump fill a large percentage of the frame? No.
- Do you need to see details of the bullet? No.
- Is Trump moving too fast to photograph without distortion? No.
- Do you need to autofocus on the bullet? No, and you can’t. It’s fine, you already focused on Trump.
It follows that you don’t need global shutter, and you don’t care about autofocus. Merely using fast exposure and having a sensitive sensor + big lens (enabling you to use fast exposure) it will be sufficient.
You also need luck, of course. I think the photographer who snapped that shot had a considerable amount of luck. They weren’t fumbling on their bag for a better X or Y. They were already taking a photo, most likely. Things just happened at the right time for them.
As for practicality of modular and DIY equipment, yes, it may not be everyone’s preference.
Canon still exists? People still use dedicated cameras? I found Canon hardware to be overrated, scanners to cameras to printers. All shit in one way or another. And their software, my god, the cruft.
Yes dedicated cameras are still around. They aren’t going away anytime soon. I really like my Fuji camera.
Canon makes great optics and decent hardware but is pretty bad at everything else.
Having never been a photo nerd or enthusiast, I am in the “good enough” camp. I’ve given up a long time ago on the “metrics bullying” and gatekeeping, electronics have reached such a level of performance and low price, everything is the same to me. If you see neutrinos, great!
Do you ever actually take pictures of anything remotely interesting or worthwhile, or is it just an object you can talk about endlessly and upgrade continuously?
It’s like audio, at some point is it about listening to music or buying new speakers?
Have I mentioned I’m old?
I do use it, probably one shoot or so a month. out of every 100 pictures I probably have one great one and 10 others that would be good with editing but I never go back and edit them. A phone is probably better for most people most of the time but there are definitely cases where it wont do the job.
I initially bought it when I worked over night shifts and wanted a night time hobby on the weekends, so I wanted to do deep space photography. I finally got on days soon after and am not up as late anymore so mostly take it on hikes, or birding and rarely around the city.
I rarely talk about it unless I show a picture that people ask “how’d you take that?” and I have to explain. I’ve bought a few lenses in 5 years but think I’m set on those. Maybe in another 5 years I’ll upgrade the body. For me it’s been a worthwhile investment.
Photos like these aren’t going to be possible on a phone camera. There’s still a lot of physical limitations to phones, namely low light and high aperture glass. Due to space constraints you’re extremely limited with sensor and glass size, which is where professional cameras still blow phones out of the water.
If all you’re doing is taking selfies and pictures of things you see around you then a phone is fine, but once you’re beyond that, it’s much more efficient to go to a dedicated camera.
Who’s the one bullying and gatekeeping here?
I’m not a camera nerd either, but I recognize that there’s people that need professional hardware either for a professional use or an obsessive hobby (either photog or other electronics or optics work). If a cell phone is “good enough” for me, that doesn’t mean it’s good for a specialist. Just like pretty much everything else in life.
Fuji is great. I love my X-S20
Op here pretending phones have the best picture quality.
I don’t need pictures of neutrinos or every individual quark of my cat. We passed the “good enough” stage a long time ago. Point, shoot, digitally hoard pictures for no reason, the end.
I get that, but the post doesn’t try to make an argument on using a camera over the phone camera. There are plenty of cases where the picture quality just doesn’t do. Personally I own s few cameras I use for special locations, parties, holidays, travel, to have the best pictures possible to have long lasting memories.
Even when I carry my gear around, my wife and In-laws take pics with there phones, and that’s ok too.
Good thing that’s not the only thing cameras are used for. Good enough for Jimmy on vacation isn’t good enough for large scale prints, marketing, etc
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In order to access my tax and benefit accounts on the Government of Canada website I can only use Chrome … making sure to wipe all cookies, etc afterwards.
I freaking hate shite like this.
Is that through the CRA website? I’ve been able to access it on Firefox (through Linux) without being hassled.
But yeah, websites that force you to use Chrome would get on my nerves. I’d be sandboxing that entire browsing session, too. LOL
I use FF on both Mac and PC for the CRA site. Can’t remember the last time I used a browser other than FF for anything.
I’ve had some sites simply not work right with Firefox, so I’ll use an alternative, usually just another flavour of Firefox, like Librewolf or Waterfox, and they tend to work just fine. It’s probably something to do with some of the locked down settings that I use on my primary browser, but it’s nothing compared to forced Google Chrome or gasp Internet Explorer. 😵
I’m pretty sure that duckduckgo browser is based on Chromium. That should work in Chrome’s stead.
Nope. I use multiple browsers (DDG, Ghostery, Waterfox, etc) and none of them work.
Have you tried changing the user agent to chrome?
Nope. I will try that and see if it works tho.
Thanks for the head’s up.
Update … it took a while but that does work on Ghostery. Thanks again. :)
Awesome!
Chrome or chormium?
I rolled back the app to an older version before this was required and blocked it from network or updating. The only feature I use is the gps data over bluetooth and remote shutter. Canon can go F*** themselves with this nonsense
Fuji makes some really nice SLRs, and their glass is exceptional. Also, you don’t need to install software if you don’t want to.
Seconded! All the photos I’ve posted on Lemmy are shot on Fuji.
magiclantern.
Jailbreak your shit. You own it don’t you?
Jailbreaking locks you out of banking apps.
I don’t think people are out here doing their banking on their Canon DSLRs
Don’t you gotta jailbreak your phone as well? Otherwise it will require the chrome browser
No, installing magiclantern on a jailbroken camera means you don’t need to do the Canon sign in bullshit at all.
Maybe on Apple (?), bur GrapheneOS supports my banking apps just fine. The only thing missing is Google Pay, which I don’t use anyways
How? Having an unlocked bootloader or root breaks Safety Net, which disables many apps. You need an unlocked bootloader to install custom ROMs.
Magisck used to be a workaround, but Google has been sabotaging it at the OS and hardware layers, so it wasn’t working the last time I tried a few years ago.
Magic Lantern is awesome!
Unfortunately, it’s for higher-end cameras, not my old point-and-shoot cameras. And it doesn’t magically give your device GPS for geotagging images :(
The app was fine. The enshittification of the app is not.
Can you not just find and use an old version and disable updates for it?
Yes, another user already confirmed that the old version still works. I’ve done the same with the old GoPro app.
EDIT: but old versions have built-in planned obsolescence, because they won’t support newer devices (both cameras or smartphones) for very long. My Samsung 360 camera was rendered useless once they discontinued app support.
I have an old Gear VR and a Samsung S3. I don’t believe there is any way to use it today. It wants to connect to Facebook to log in, but their auth token has expired.
You actually can still use it, there’s some folks on reddit trying their best to keep it going. App support is very poor though.
It wants to connect to Facebook to log in
What a fucking cancer of integration.
Jailbreak your shit. You own it don’t you?
This is a useless comment. Most phones are not unlockable if you’re on a plan, since the carrier technically owns it.
Second, not all phones are jailbreakable.
Third, jailbreaking isn’t for everyone, not even close.
This is a useless comment.
Says the person who randomly brought up phones when the other person was talking about a camera jailbreak.
Trebuchet > Canon
Catapults > Trebuchet