I have been banned from unpopularopinion for exposing person defending genocide and use of human shields by IDF.
One of the users in unpopularopinion thread was complaining about someone calling him a “fascist”
https://feddit.uk/comment/17531487
In response I did paste a screenshot of his comment claiming IDF are not using human shields, it is Hamas who do that:
https://feddit.uk/comment/17529782
… And the mod of unpopularopinion banned me. I can only guess he is a another genocide apologist.
Lemmy unfortunatly is slowly transforming to reddit again regarding israel. I just interacted with someone blaming all israeli actions on palestinians
Lemmy unfortunatly is slowly transforming to reddit again regarding israel.
I think Lemmy is just doing it in general. Powertripping mods that don’t get questioned by admins, stupid rules that punish good faith users but enable bad faith people, mass sockpuppeting…
I’m glad federation enables people to block some obviously bad accounts and instances, but god damn it feels like 50% of all instances are going insane because of a nation they aren’t in, that doesn’t care about them, is being called out for being a ethnostate.
Lemmy is on of the few places where this discussion is even possible so I guess Israelis and their acolytes figure it out and came here to derail it.
It wild how quickly public sentiment gets sanitized on redidt. Sure they let it run but then it is gone the next day like it didn’t happen.
At least here we can document it as it happens.
That’s kinda wild. In my experiance, everyone here shares the same opinion: Isreal deserves to be glassed.
At the very least, the Nazi Germany treatment but that’s still minority view. Normies got 3 generations of zionist propaganda to unpack
What the actual fuck
Fafo?
No reason to think the Mossad doesn’t devote some time here. They’re incredibly active on Reddit, and I’m sure they have some people arguing in bad faith on Lemmy as well.
You are right but there was a lot less few weeks ago
Unfortunately yes. First there was a feddit.org. Now I can see it spreading.
Are we sure these aren’t bots? I have a hard time believing someone can see what’s going on in the news and doesn’t see this as the genocide it is. Unless they’re extremely conservative, and only get their news from fox and oann. But then they wouldn’t be on lemmy anyway.
You must have not seen some of these comments. I was accused of antisemitism very recently.
I was accused of antisemitism very recently.
Gotta love witch hunting… you sound like an arse* but, no, what you did is definitively not antisemitism. And you definitively did a good call in that thread.
*to be fair with you, so do I.
Yes because they talk about multiple topics.
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Idf soldiers literally admit using Palestinians are used as human shield and this guy claim that the term human shield is misleading and compare it to accusing Ukraine is killing civiliansRemoved by mod
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We can even go back to the second intifada, israel said they will spot but never did
Yes - and the mod just doubled down on his ridiculous behaviour.
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They are not known for good takes. Only surprised they mod a community on world not their own dubvee instance
BPR.
You did the right thing by calling out OpinionHaver’s hypocrisy. And you did it the right way - exposing why they were called a fascist, in a thread they do Reddit style “I dun unrrurstand” sealioning and “ackshyually” red herrings over and over to defend ethnic cleansing. If you only posted that and walked away, I’d be saying “PTB”.
However that is not just what you did. You were consistently aggressive in that thread, and your mod history shows entries like “uncivil”, “Derailing”, “civility”, “Rude/toxic”, “history of netiquette violations”, “consistent history of toxic behavior” across multiple instances. So even if the target was justified, you’re still a problem user, and if a mod lets this sort of hostile user (like you) go rogue in a comm, the comm becomes a shitfest.
Plus you’re a single “I can only guess” away from witch hunting = calling the mod “genocide apologist” on weak grounds (removals from a single thread). If you want to accuse someone, do it like you did towards OpinionHaver.
You, sunzu2 and OpinionHaver were derailing the thread. The mod should’ve either nuked the whole comment chain or left it alone; by selectively deleting you+sunzu2’s comments but not OpinionHaver’s, the mod is arbitrarily giving them a political voice in an allegedly “no politics” comm, but not you or sunzu2.
If an admin don’t want to be called a genocide apologist he should ban genocide apologies
People enabling fuckheads are obviously bad, but should not be assumed to be themselves fuckheads. “A is shit” and “B is shit” does not mean “A is B”.
This is important, because otherwise we end not blaming the enablers properly - they aren’t like the thief who steals your junk, they’re more like the braindead muppet who keeps the door open.
EDIT: …nevermind, I retract my point. We’re talking about LW; Zionist apologia goes rampant there. Even if OP themself didn’t bring this up, it’s common knowledge already.
What is this gibberish?
Did you see the edit? Now, here’s your answer: no, it is not gibberish. I’ll explain the reasoning.
If we stick to that thread alone, there are at least two possible explanations for why the mod acted that way:
- the mod simply didn’t see the page OP linked. They saw one user behaving poorly, another being superficially polite, and banned the one behaving poorly (the OP), without noticing the other was defending the IDF. or
- the mod saw the linked page, deemed it OK, banned OP because he’s defending the Palestinians, and used their behaviour as excuse.
There are more, but let’s stick to those two. Both enable someone who’s doing genocide apology. In both, the mod is being an enabler. But only #2 counts as condoning that genocide apology. #1 is simply being damn sloppy.
However, based on the mod actions in a single thread, we have no grounds to know if it’s #1 or #2. And we shouldn’t assume. You don’t accuse people based on assumptions.
Here’s where the edit comes in. What I said above doesn’t apply because it’s common knowledge that the LW admins+mods do jack shit against Zionist apologia. That’s why I retracted my point - because it isn’t how the mod acted in that thread, it’s a consistent behaviour across multiple threads.
Is this clear now? TL;DR: I was saying “OP, bring up more evidence before you accuse someone”, then “nevermind, the evidence is public knowledge”.
the mod simply didn’t see the page OP linked
I did paste verbatim screenshot and mod was well aware about the content - defending IDF using human shields cannot be mistaken with anything else.
So yes, we have grounds - he was well aware.
Fair.
See edit.
OpinionHaver was making claims that did not pass basic scanning of his comment history.
I linked up his comment for context. I don’t think that’s derailing. That’s how good discourse happens. In fact, it is my opinion, that these “rules” are generally used to censor content, which is what happened here at least in my opinion.
But sure, if entire comment thread got nuke, it would be harder for me to make these claims.
But week in, week out around here we see these patterns of censorship around topics that are sensitive to the regime but we still pretend as if these “mods” are “modding” and not censoring.
By far your comment is the least problematic of the bunch, and it’s only a problem because it’s in the middle of that ruckus - it is further derailing the discussion, even if not the one starting it.
But sure, if entire comment thread got nuke, it would be harder for me to make these claims.
Personally I’d keep it on, because I agree with you. For me it’s a matter of transparency - if you remove stuff here and there suddenly nobody knows who said what. But I still see grounds for nuking the whole comment chain (including the top comment), to avoid a flamewar and make sure the rules are enforced.
But week in, week out around here we see these patterns of censorship around topics that are sensitive to the regime but we still pretend as if these “mods” are “modding” and not censoring.
Sadly you’re right.
You were consistently aggressive in that thread
No. I mostly only posted this genocide denier his own words. Calling someone defending use of human shields a “genocide apologist” is factual, not aggressive.
your mod history shows entries like “uncivil”, “Derailing”, “civility”, “Rude/toxic”, “history of netiquette violations”, “consistent history of toxic behavior” across multiple instances.
Firstly, this is irrelevant. Secondly when you get to the details, most of these comments are made by infamous feddit.org mods - who very recently came out of the closet and started banning reasonable criticism of Israel. Fill your gaps.
So even if the target was justified, you’re still a problem user,
I am who I am. I say what I think.
Plus you’re a single “I can only guess” away from witch hunting = calling the mod “genocide apologist” on weak grounds
See my other comment. I did paste screenshot of his disgusting defence of IDF, verbatim. This triggered the mod who called it “smear” and he doubled down on calling it “smear” again in this very thread. If calling a guy like this a “genocide apologist” is a smear for the mod, that’s very telling about mod own views.
No. I mostly only posted this genocide denier his own words. Calling someone defending use of human shields a “genocide apologist” is factual, not aggressive.
You’re omitting the part where you call a third party “an idiot”, and that your answers to the genocide denier were both passive aggressive as fuck. (Source, modlog.. For the pass-aggro Ctrl+F “sweetie”)
It’s arguable if your aggressiveness in this specific case was justified. But by claiming that you weren’t being aggressive you are simply lying. And calling people stupid by proxy - do you expect them to buy your lie?
Firstly, this [your mod history entries] is irrelevant.
No, it is not. It shows that you’ll likely to behave like an arse in any community that allows it. Mods can and should use a user’s history to know how to handle them, once they violate the rules of a community.
Secondly when you get to the details, most of these comments are made by infamous feddit.org mods - who very recently came out of the closet and started banning reasonable criticism of Israel. Fill your gaps.
- Yes, because people driving to work deserve to have their eyes stabbed 🙄 What kind of fucking moron creates stuff like this one?
- > Yeah, I’m all for that. And it’s easy. Just revoke all licences. https://lemmy.world/c/opisafuckingidiot
- I hope you’re a fucking miner (sic - minor)
- Your parents had “semen cause autism” energy
- Or perhaps you are simply not using your brain?
- Just 20%? I didn’t know 80% of USians were retarded, I always thought it was around 60% max.
- Go and fuck yourself.
- In this case enjoy your piss with fart bubbles. I am pretty sure you will be fine as long as it says “champagne” on the bottle.
None of those involves either the feddit.org mods or the Zionist Reich, but in all of those you’re being aggressive towards other users. I could post another thousand examples, that modlog is full of that.
You are lying yet again.
I am who I am.
You are a fucking arsehole, and someone without the dignity to admit they’re a fucking arsehole.
I say what I think.
The problem is how you say it. You’re a fucking arsehole, clearly unable to voice your views without sounding like a pissy manchild. And also a liar based on the comment I’m replying to.
Please do a favour for everyone and go back to Reddit, you’ll be in more suitable company there.
Well documented comment
Wonderful retort!
You’re omitting the part where you call a third party "an idiot
Again, this is irrelevant. Not part of the exchange I have been banned for and it was a reply to him calling me an" embarrassment". For the context, it was a guy defending genocide denier. He also posted in this thread - I suggest you have a look.
your answers to the genocide denier were both passive aggressive as fuck.
Firstly I disagree with that. Secondly this is again irrelevant - being “passive aggressive” is not a bannable offence.
But by claiming that you weren’t being aggressive you are simply lying.
I completely disagree with that. None of my comments were aggressive.
No, it is not. It shows that you’ll likely to behave like an arse in any community that allows it.
It is completely and utterly irrelevant. You may be an angel in one community and the devil in another. If there was a Israel/IDF supporting community the guy I was responding to would be an angel.
None of those involves either the feddit.org mods or the Zionist Reich, but in all of those you’re being aggressive towards other users
Nope. Now click each of them for a context. I stand behind every single one of them.
You are lying yet again.
Stop accusing me of lying.
You are a fucking arsehole, and someone without the dignity to admit they’re a fucking arsehole. Please do a favour for everyone and go back to Reddit
Now, my answer to this should be “go and fuck yourself”. But since you put your comments so nicely I am going to pat you on your head and just say “yes, sweetie” 😂
If anyone is aggressive here, including name calling it is you. Now, disengage.
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PTB
Janitors gonna trip
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Them: “there is a problem”
You: demonstrates problem
Mod: bans
YDI. You’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole. Pick your battles better.
That’s tone censorship and by accepting it, you are enabling it btw
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I mean, that doesn’t make them a fascist.
It makes them misinformed and a hypocrite.
In the second thread OP linked, the user in question is sealioning and “ackshyually” all the way. The whole thing boils down to:
- [Someone] Israel Defence Forces are using people as human shields
- [Opinionhaver] Ackshyually, it doesn’t count as human shield
- [Someone else] It does, see: [explains it]
- [Opinionhaver] I dun unrurrstand you are point, explain again.
They’re quacking like a duck and OP called them a duck. In this regard OP is right.
I’ll be honest, I was going off the evidence presented in this thread and didn’t follow the links. Dude is definitely a genocide denier and in the wrong but I don’t see the connection between being a hypocrite sealioning about Israel using human shields and being a fascist.
Denying that specific genocide is already grounds to call someone a fascist, because of why that genocide is happening: to expand an ethnostate in the Levant. So, when he showed surprise that he was being called a fascist, that was hypocrisy, because it was clear why.
Sealioning refers to how he was debating in that thread, not the specific claims he defends.
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What the actural fuck
Zionism is a mental illness and the vermin has been triggered recently so we got this spamming op underway
True but using the word “vermin” here is problematic.
Sure… What term would you use to describe Zionists behaviour within this thread and western institutions as a whole?
I’m assuming you don’t realize the very antisemitic connotation of the word in this context.
You switched topcis here
We are talking about Zionists
You used an antisemitic dog whistle while talking about Zionists. That is problematic.
… And the mod of unpopularopinion banned me. I can only guess he is a another genocide apologist.
Yes, that’s the only reason you got banned. You got me.
It’s not the purity tests, taking things out of context, hostility, or trollish behavior.
It’s not the condescending comments.
It’s not the smear campaign you’re STILL going on about while taking things out of context to “prove” your point.
It’s not the fact that you intentionally re-posted a removed comment that violated the rules.
It’s not the fact that I explicitly said that this is a no-politics community and was only allowing the post to remain up because it was about political discussions in general. And you decided to bring explicit politics into it.
It’s not the fact that your have a LONG history of bad-faith behavior and derailing conversations with your shtick.
No. It can’t possibly be any of that. It must be because I’m a genocide apologist, bootlicking Nazi. That’s clearly the only rational conclusion to be drawn here.
You fucking caught me.
/s
YDI
If some basic insults is worse than people justifying a 57 years occupation you should revaluate your moral compass
No wonder why you’re a mod of !@news@lemmy.world, you find words more important than actions. Israel’s mass murder is bad, but calling it out is worse!
Way to keep the stereotypes of lemmy.world’s mods true.
It’s not the purity tests, taking things out of context, hostility, or trollish behavior.
Stop lying. I did paste screenshot of his disgusting defence of IDF using human shields and told them they were “genocide apologist”.
You removed this comment and banned me.
It’s not the smear campaign you’re STILL going on about while taking things out of context to “prove” your point.
Calling someone defending use of human shields a “genocide apologist” is a smear now?!
It’s not the fact that I explicitly said that this is a no-politics community and was only allowing the post to remain up because it was about political discussions in general. And you decided to bring explicit politics into it
What political discussion did I bring?
It’s not the fact that your have a [LONG historyof bad-faith behavior and derailing conversations with your shtick.
Your point is?
No. It can’t possibly be any of that. It must be because I’m a genocide apologist
Since you are STILL claiming that I somehow smeared the guy defending use of human shields than yes - you must be one of them. It is either this or you are as bright as a broken bulb. Which one is it?
Your point is?
You’ve pretty much just made it for me. Thanks. I’m not going to engage in your gish-gallop.
‘Here’s a long list of accusations.’
‘Here’s a response to each.’
‘Gish gallop.’
Prick.
So you’re allowed to make a bunch of accusations but no one can respond to them? Good god.
Liberals can’t stand being told their wrong from both MAGAts and lefties. Ffs
You doubling down now?
Do a decent thing, recognise you made a mistake, apologise and reverse your decision. And remove comments of the genocide apologist playing victim while you are on it, since you removed mine exposing him.
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You not banning or at least removing the comments of the genocide apologist shows your bias.
If you were really concerned with leaving that post to only a general context of politics and nothing specific, then you’d ban or removal anyone or any comments the refer to any specific political events, contemporary or otherwise. That includes those for and against said event.
You only banned/removed users/comments against one specific contemporary political event/state of affairs - not the ones for it or at least appearing as defending it - and so OP is calling you out for that.
Are you going to admit a mistake and do the right thing?
He’s a moderator of .world they never admit fault or issue.
They sometimes do, to be honest.
Never enough. Won’t unban any of the so-called “trolls” who were right about Biden needing to bow out or that Harris backing Israel and not pushing for domestic social changes would be a loss.
Won’t unban people who proved mods wrong because they power trip. Won’t deal with their trolls but ban you for fighting against them.
They can do it, they choose not to most of the time.
most of the time
That I can agree with
Why did you remove my comment hen?
As somebody else pointed in this thread, you nuked my comment that put Opinionhaver@feddit.uk comment in context
If somebody makes a claim, why I am getting censored for responding within the context of that claim?
You got banned because you’re a petulant, argumentative, obnoxious, pugnacious jerk. That’s why you got banned. I see you all over the place making obnoxious comments and getting into fights with people for no reason.
That you telling this defender of IDF how you are with him?:
and the community was unpopular opinion
