Holy shit did this thread get over ran by a tankie brigade.
Yeah I didn’t realize how bad it was until @Nakoichi@hexbear.net decided to make a fraudulent report which urged me to investigate. Now that I know, I’m cleaning house here.
So, once again…Trump just rolled over and let Putin tickle his belly. Why would anyone be surprised by this?
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Just so you know, Hexbear brigades like this will not be tolerated in this community going forward, and you earned yourself a site ban here for your Russian propaganda and harassment + abuse of mods here like myself.
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Did you want to test if I was true to my word? You got your answer.
The guy brags about how he has this magical influence over Putin, and “if he were in charge, none of this would be happening”…but when presented with an opportunity to prove that influence, Putin just says, “Nah, fuck that”, leaving Trump with no choice but to shrug and say, “Oh, well…I tried”.
If you don’t find this pathetically hilarious, then you need to check your pulse.
It’s funny that Trump believes he has leverage over Putin, yes.
Your comment implied that Putin had leverage over Trump, which is equally false and hilarious. Sadly, the Western media has pushed that narrative to garner the most martial diplomatic stance possible in this Second Cold War.
My comment only implied that Putin holds the dominant role in their relationship. For all his tough talk, Trump goes as soft and submissive as a toothless puppy whenever Vlad enters the chat. Then he spends days gushing about how wonderful it was just to talk to him, regardless of the actual outcome. It’s like watching a 12 year old girl with a crush.
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I don’t think the Ukrainians would agree with your assertion that their desire for independence is based on a “liberal obsession with the personalities involved”. I know for a fact that if it was my country being invaded by a hostile neighbor, I would hope someone out there would help us fight back…and not just encourage my people to surrender.
Would this have been your advice to the Vietnamese when the Americans invaded their country? On the surface, they didn’t stand much of a chance either…so why didn’t they just give up and let the US take what they wanted, in order to “save more lives”? Why would any country resist being invaded by a hostile foreign power? By this logic, the aggressor should always win…and no one would ever be safe.
Ukraine’s 2014 coup d’etat brought US-backed fascists into power, which fractured the country into a civil war. The oblasts in the east and south sought independence in order to escape the ensuing ethnic persecution, but in response, fascist paramilitaries invaded the donbass and escalated it to violent ethnic cleansing. Eight years of attempted ceasefires were broken by the West[1] before Russia finally intervened.
“8 Years Before” Donbass Documentary
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If the sanctions didn’t work against Russia, their economy wouldn’t be in such a bad shape that Moscow needs to lie about it.
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If Putin really got everything he wanted, then wouldn’t there have been some kind of deal reached?
Why would Putin need to make a deal in order to get what he wants?
So fewer people die.
He could make it so no people die, just by calling off the invasion. If he hasn’t done it by now, what makes you think that’s what he wants?
I don’t think you’re being serious anymore.
What isn’t serious about it?
An invading force can withdraw from the conflict any time they want and it would end the war. Which would prevent any further deaths.
The fact that Putin still keeps invading means he doesn’t care about the lives of Russian soldiers or the lives in the country he is invading.
Unfortunately, NATO is a thug which only understands force; it can’t be reasoned with.
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And why is that “the only path forward”? Why do Ukrainians need to “capitulate” to Russia?
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