Ukraine’s 2014 coup d’etat brought US-backed fascists into power, which fractured the country into a civil war. The oblasts in the east and south sought independence in order to escape the ensuing ethnic persecution, but in response, fascist paramilitaries invaded the donbass and escalated it to violent ethnic cleansing. Eight years of attempted ceasefires were broken by the West[1] before Russia finally intervened.
Lol! Do you know how easy it is to find a few hundred racists willing to wave flags and yell obscenities in front of a camera? You can find people like that in Russia too.
That’s the thing with international law…you can hold a referendum if you want to, but it doesn’t mean you get to just give the land to someone else. The entire country needs to decide on that…not just one region.
If those people want to become Russian citizens, they have every right to apply for citizenship and move to Russia. No one is stopping them. But they don’t get to take the land with them. That land belongs to Ukraine. All of Ukraine. Taking it, without the rest of the country agreeing to let it go, typically results in civil war.
The problem however, is when foreign countries like Russia intervene in order to tip the scales and take that land for themselves. That is illegal. That is an act of aggression. It is an act of war. Not just civil war, but open war between nations.
Ukraine didn’t start that. They didn’t attack Russia. Russia attacked them. And then continued their effort to steal more land, by openly invading the country.
Honestly, if that’s your take-away from what I said…then you didn’t understand any of it. China has no more “rights” over Taiwan, than Russia does over Ukraine.
Lol! The “entire country of China” fell apart when Taiwan split off. If you really want to be technical about it, Taiwan actually represents the “real” government of China, since that’s where the previously existing government took refuge during the Communist revolution. All that remained of “China”, was on that island. What was created on the mainland was something new. Something different.
The exact same situation occurred with Ukraine and the Russian Federation during the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union ceased to exist. In its place, separate countries were formed.
Because they weren’t based in a country trying to join NATO during those 30 years. Until the maiden coup they were very close.
Imagine if China managed to orchestrate a coup in Scotland. Do you expect the British wouldn’t attempt to secure their nuclear submarine bases on the coast near Glasgow?
Ukraine has been working towards closer ties with the EU since the fall of the Soviet Union…and made its first official request to join NATO in 2008. None of this is new.
They were on the brink of signing a comprehensive trade agreement with the EU, which had already been ratified by their parliament, when Yanukovych 180’d on the deal, after pretending to support it in order to get elected.
That is what got him ousted. As soon as Ukrainians realized he was not working in their best interests, they took to the streets demanding his resignation.
There was no outside influence, other than Russia working to undermine the deal Ukraine had spent the better part of a decade negotiating. And when their plan to sabotage that deal fell through…they annexed Crimea and funded an insurgency in Eastern Ukraine. And when progress stalled in their efforts to take even more land…they invaded.
Russia has been interfering in Ukraine’s sovereignty for decades. Not the US. Russia.
Not supporting these Alt-Right Pro-Russian conspiracy theories. War in Ukraine is not justified. You have been banned for spreading Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories.
Ukraine’s 2014 coup d’etat brought US-backed fascists into power, which fractured the country into a civil war. The oblasts in the east and south sought independence in order to escape the ensuing ethnic persecution, but in response, fascist paramilitaries invaded the donbass and escalated it to violent ethnic cleansing. Eight years of attempted ceasefires were broken by the West[1] before Russia finally intervened.
“8 Years Before” Donbass Documentary
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/02/10/ukraine-zelensky-minsk-peace-russia/ ↩︎
What fractured the country into civil war, was Russia annexing Crimea during the Euromaidan revolt.
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Lol! Do you know how easy it is to find a few hundred racists willing to wave flags and yell obscenities in front of a camera? You can find people like that in Russia too.
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Are you kidding? Putin would never let someone get that close to him. He’s too afraid of being assassinated.
This guy however, doesn’t seem to mind.
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Nice AI slop there, man. Good to see you’re getting your information from reliable sources.
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You understand the chronology.
BTW, even Western-based polling consistently showed the clear majority of Crimeans supported the referendum.
The war in the Donbass was also discrete from Crimea (where there was never armed conflict).
That’s the thing with international law…you can hold a referendum if you want to, but it doesn’t mean you get to just give the land to someone else. The entire country needs to decide on that…not just one region.
If those people want to become Russian citizens, they have every right to apply for citizenship and move to Russia. No one is stopping them. But they don’t get to take the land with them. That land belongs to Ukraine. All of Ukraine. Taking it, without the rest of the country agreeing to let it go, typically results in civil war.
The problem however, is when foreign countries like Russia intervene in order to tip the scales and take that land for themselves. That is illegal. That is an act of aggression. It is an act of war. Not just civil war, but open war between nations.
Ukraine didn’t start that. They didn’t attack Russia. Russia attacked them. And then continued their effort to steal more land, by openly invading the country.
Watch (at least) the first fifteen and a half minutes (the introduction).
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Honestly, if that’s your take-away from what I said…then you didn’t understand any of it. China has no more “rights” over Taiwan, than Russia does over Ukraine.
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Lol! The “entire country of China” fell apart when Taiwan split off. If you really want to be technical about it, Taiwan actually represents the “real” government of China, since that’s where the previously existing government took refuge during the Communist revolution. All that remained of “China”, was on that island. What was created on the mainland was something new. Something different.
The exact same situation occurred with Ukraine and the Russian Federation during the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union ceased to exist. In its place, separate countries were formed.
Oh yeah China totally fell apart and that is why they manufacture everything you own today.
Let’s be honest, they were hardly going to leave their nuclear submarine bases in the hands of a hostile government, were they…
They seemed perfectly fine with those based where they were for almost 30 years.
Because they weren’t based in a country trying to join NATO during those 30 years. Until the maiden coup they were very close.
Imagine if China managed to orchestrate a coup in Scotland. Do you expect the British wouldn’t attempt to secure their nuclear submarine bases on the coast near Glasgow?
Ukraine has been working towards closer ties with the EU since the fall of the Soviet Union…and made its first official request to join NATO in 2008. None of this is new.
They were on the brink of signing a comprehensive trade agreement with the EU, which had already been ratified by their parliament, when Yanukovych 180’d on the deal, after pretending to support it in order to get elected.
That is what got him ousted. As soon as Ukrainians realized he was not working in their best interests, they took to the streets demanding his resignation.
There was no outside influence, other than Russia working to undermine the deal Ukraine had spent the better part of a decade negotiating. And when their plan to sabotage that deal fell through…they annexed Crimea and funded an insurgency in Eastern Ukraine. And when progress stalled in their efforts to take even more land…they invaded.
Russia has been interfering in Ukraine’s sovereignty for decades. Not the US. Russia.
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Ummm, yeah. You should recheck your dates. Crimea was invaded in February, 2014. Poroshenko didn’t take office until June, 2014.
You do know that you would be killed in Russia for showing your pronouns, right?
So why do you keep simping for their propaganda?
Ukraine has been sovereign since 1990. They are not a part of Russia anymore since then.
So even if your fascism misinformation was correct, it still wouldn’t give Russia the right to invade.
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Not supporting these Alt-Right Pro-Russian conspiracy theories. War in Ukraine is not justified. You have been banned for spreading Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories.