Must be nice.
“Fascist expert”, hm like, a historian ? lol sorry I don’t speak the nytimes-language
Not just historian, but a specific type of political historian. “Historian” is a broad umbrella - Snyder is the only one I’ve read, but he’s very much focused specifically on authoritarianism, fascism and genocide. His Bloodlands is kinda the book on mass killings by Nazis and the USSR.
Cowards writing in the cowardly rag. Later.
What?
If everyone who is against fascism leaves, you end up with a fascist country for sure.
You’re fighting, I take it?
One can still vote in federal elections from out of country.
Because history has taught us that fascists listen to people who are against fascism?
I don’t blame them for going. If I was in America right now, I’d be eyeing the door.
A lot of us are. Problem is, nobody wants us.
Maybe they prefer to not be the first people sacrificed.
This.
intellectuals are often the first targets of a recently turned fascist regime.
Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.
Technically you can criticize from afar but it’s good to have fascism experts on the front lines.
This is also an incredibly privileged thing to be able to do and one that the vast majority of the most vulnerable and likely to be on the camp list are stuck here and would like some experts to help fight back.
Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.
Historically nobody fucking listens to fascism experts so yeah that’s true. Looking at the pace Trump is democracy at and the state of “resistance” to his regime, I’d bail too, and I didn’t spend my whole career studying the horrors of fascism.
The thing they are good for us as a canary in a coal mine, which is why they publish this.
It should have been clear when the police was cracking down on the university protests in 2024.
2024? Not Bush II? Full blown fascism has just been on the back burner for a long time.
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Well, I’m glad you have the privilege to do so, I suppose.
Well, why don’t the 250 million Americans who didn’t vote for trump just also move to Canada???
They could just take a few weeks off of work all at once and watch the government come to its knees.
Would be nice but you can’t simply move to any other country you want. Other countries have enacted similar stupid immigration laws just like the US. There isn’t a single country where US citizens can just move (except the US of course). It’s like a curse. The orange in the WH would need to do something really f’ed for other countries to accept american asylum applications. personally I wish I could just bag and go
It’s great when people on your side of the border hate you because you support human rights, and people on the other side of the border hate you because of where you were born and lived untill recently.
Also simultaneously being told “you should just leave your shit hole country” from one group of people and also “you should stay and fix your own stupid country before you try and ruin others”
Basically “fuck you for existing, now go die quietly so we can get on with our lives”
And don’t even get me started on any sort of minority group and how shitty they have it here. Can’t even walk to the corner store without looking over their shoulder for ICE or some other thug law enforcement.
Well at least you can exclude roughly 81 million eligible non voters. Fuck em.
Someone once told me to just apply to be a refugee and move to Canada, as a response to complaining about trump supporters in my area. They weren’t even a trump supporter themselves. Bruh, I doubt Canada wants my disabled and out of work ass, even if it was just that simple.
You can’t apply for refugee status from the US to Canada anyway
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Not that simple, no.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html
From the US you would need to be skilled in something that we need, otherwise you can start as a tourist for 6 months and you need to apply to stay longer. Just because you can support yourself (let’s say you work remotely for a US company while living in Canada) it doesn’t mean that you can stay just because you speak English.
Right, I looked into that website earlier in the year I think. Even for “high demand” jobs in the US like tech, it’s not easy to get into Canada.
Especially at a moment where the population is getting pretty angry that there’s a housing shortage after years of mass immigration
No, they dont,
just like how the US doesn’t want the dumbshit “my way or the highway” western canadian separatists.immigration is difficult, you’ve got to be extremely rich, smart and highly skilled in a marketable and demanded field, or lucky.
most people are none of these things
Oh, it opens with a 6min unskippable video. instead of an article, on a website that still has the line “Today’s Paper” at the top of the page.
At this point I’m convinced that the NYT is living in the 2000s.
Well, that was a little terrifying
Took them long enough.
To be fair many of the US media outlets, among which is also the New York Times often refused to call out the utter nonsense that Trump was spewing during the campaign. This is also a reason it has come to the current situation.
Adios! Thanks for taking the money!
Must be nice to be able to afford to run.
“As the leading experts on this topic we feel that the best course of action is to hide. We feel that anyone else would be better suited to help address something that is so bad we believe it will eventually lead to global turmoil.”
And people have the audacity to think that most of these modern academics are nepotistic charlatans and spineless cowards. Pssshhhaawww.
These experts sound like they rolled high for their intelligence stat, but low for wisdom.
As an expert, they should know how well hiding has historically worked against fascists. Eventually, the only place that ends up being available to hide in is the mass grave the fascists dug for you.
How about fighting before it gets worse? How about you make the thin skinned idiots scared to be so openly fascist? How about showing them there is a resistance against their behaviour instead of immediate capitulation at the earliest necessity of protest.
Because from where I’m sitting, running away encourages fascists to think they’re scary enough to avoid the consequences of their actions via intimidation. Yet, they’re a bunch of old geriatric idiots that take offense for calling their hands small.
Fucking calling them names works better than running away.
Running away makes it seem like sticks and stones are necessary when words will always hurt them.
All thats needed to beat these idiots is a stream of childish insults being lobbed at them publically at a near constant rate. Trump would literally quit being president if he had to hear about having a small dick, hands, and brain everyday. But heaven forbid such a stupid solution ever be pursued by academics. (Despite it being incredibly effective when Trump did the same to Biden).
Thank you for saying what I wanted to say. Also just going to point out that the modern American fascists are incredibly stupid meaning that once you abandon civility they become rather easy to deal with, especially if you can keep your cool while getting them wound up. As you said why use sticks and stones when words are still effective.
Ahh but they’re calling it a protest because they got an NyTimes article written about their leaving.
The New York Times never fails to reveal its close adherence to its century-plus role as entertainment for the well-to-do who want to play in the trappings of intellectualism without ever having their status quo truly challenged.
