• waterbird@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    sometimes i think about that kid in the experiment
    who was sat down and told to wait some time
    before eating the sweetness put in front of him

    that his patience would bring a reward

    and i think about how they laughed when he didn’t succeed in waiting and instead
    crammed the entire gummy bear into his mouth the second they left

    looking so guilty afterward

    the way they gloated and collected data and prognosticated about his future job prospects and potential success-
    certainly not as good as those who waited, they said

    it was something about self-control

    i know all too well that when he got home
    there were probably no sweets
    or if there were, they were there for a moment only
    before being snatched away by either cruel hands or circumstance
    no guarantee that promises meant anything, much less that they were kept.

    if it had been me in that chair
    i’d have eaten it too.

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    14 hours ago

    Itt:
    People not seeing the marshmallow speak, or bite the kid. Or the horrified look on the kids face.

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        Took me D_C’s comment to get it and even then it took me a minute to find the marshmallow and realize it wasn’t on the plate anymore 🤦🏻

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    Turns out the test is only a good predictor of “how well you can trust the adults in your life to keep their words”. Which tells more about the envirement than about the kid.

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    This experiment was not specifically about whether a kid would wait for the second marshmellow or not (which would be delayed by 20+ minutes), nor whether they would play with the roomful of toys, but to see how they grew up. The real test was to catch up with the adults and see how ‘successful’ they’d become. The experimenters found that those children who waited for the second marshmellow achieved higher grades and had more ‘successful’ better-paying careers.

    It’s the concept of delayed rewards vs immediate rewards and is prevalent in the world of machine learning.

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      Excerpts from Wikipedia:

      A replication attempt with a sample from a more diverse population, over 10 times larger than the original study, showed only half the effect of the original study. The replication suggested that economic background, rather than willpower, explained the other half.

      Work done in 2018 and 2024 found that the Marshmallow Test “does not reliably predict adult functioning”.

      It’s great for a confirmation bias, but such a study is way too simplistic to really reach a conclusion. Oh, and:

      The results seemed to indicate that not thinking about a reward enhances the ability to delay gratification, rather than focusing attention on the future reward.

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    I would ask for a grill and stick while waiting. A slightly burnt marshmallow is worth the carcinogen.

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    A shower thought about the original experiment:

    It may have only measured how effective “waiting for future gains” was, as a strategy, for each child, in their circumstance.

    So the real discovery may be only that the children already had a pretty good idea how promising their own futures were. :(

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      Or it measured how rare it was for them to get candy. The most interesting thing about the experiment is honestly the many ways in which it was flawed.

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      Or hungrier kids (aka poorer kids) get the marshmallow first. Or those in greater need of serotonin (at least I think it’s serotonin) you get from sugar, etc. There’s a variety of issues here, but that’s true of most “experiments” that aren’t actually randomized controlled trial experiments.

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      Or they’re just natural born addicts like myself and need that instant reward and think to hell with my future self. That’s his problem. Present me just got a marshmallow.

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    Store-bought marshmallows are one of those things where I only really want one.

    There’s an ice cream shop few towns over that makes fresh, exotic flavored marshmallows, depending on the day they’re better than sex. But even those are about the size your fist and honestly two would be a little bit too much.

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      The Stanford marshmallow experiment was a study on delayed gratification in 1970 led by psychologist Walter Mischel, a professor at Stanford University.[1] In this study, a child was offered a choice between one small but immediate reward, or two small rewards if they waited for a period of time.”

      The joke is that in this version of the experiment, the child isn’t being tested, the marshmallow is. And in this case, the marshmallow has decided to eat this one child instead of waiting until later, when it would have been allowed to eat two children.

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        Oh shit, I totally didn’t see that the marshmallow was biting the kid. The image is so small it looked like a power outlet behind him on the wall

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        Thanks. I didn’t see the marshmallow chewing on the kids arm till I read this then zoomed in. Lol

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        I always found this study to be lacking…

        5 minutes is not worth 1 marshmallow. Marshmallows are not that good, so one is way enough. As a kid, I could never trust adults who wanted to limit good things. Who’s to say the strange adult in a white coat would really bring a 2nd marshmallow? What if they actually remove the marshmallow instead?

        In short, it can only separate kids in two groups: the blind followers of authority and the other ones.

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          This is what I’ve said since I learned of this experiment. I’m only waiting for the second marshmallow if BOTH of the following statements are true:

          1. I want two marshmallows.

          2. I trust the adult to keep his word.

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          As a kid, I could never trust adults who wanted to limit good things.

          Guess what? This effect has been found in other experiments!

          The marshmallow experiment is one of those that self-help gurus and LinkedIn ‘influencers’ love to peddle as being meaningful, in no small part because it tells people who had lucky upbringings that they are inherently better than others, and not just a product of their environment. But when it’s actually examined critically, it falls apart.

        • u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)@lemmy.sdf.org
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          Time to calculate how much 1 marshmallow is worth in time considering minimum wage in my country.

          Let’s begin.
          Minimum wage in Slovakia is €4.69/h.
          An 80g bag of Jojo marshmallows is €1.19 at Tesco.
          It claims one portion is 3 marshmallows which is 11.7g.
          Therefore 1 marshmallow is 3.9g.
          Therefore there are 20 - 21 marshmallows in the bag.
          Therefore 1 marshmallow costs roughly €0.058.
          €4.69/h is €0.078/m or €0.0013/s.
          Therefore, 1 marshmallow costs roughly 44.62 seconds of work time.

          Well, assuming there are no taxes. So maybe something close to 1 minute per marshmallow. Although… maybe if we add total time, including time you’re not working… 12 marshmallows an hour, 288 a day, 2016 a week, 8640 a month. That’s €501.12/month.

          Based on this the minimum monthly wage after taxes and all is €661.80/month.

          Conclusion: It is worth the 5 minutes.

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          They should have done cookies instead.

          And sweeten the deal. 1 cookie or a BAG… Yeah, give me a BAG it cookies, yeah. I’m an ADULT.

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            I think we were also given 3. We were given one at the start of the small sunday school class, and if we had it at the end of it, we were given three more. So the difference was that if you ate it early, you still would have had to wait anyway.

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              Won’t it melt from the heat in your hand/pocket? I ain’t having chocolate stains in my pocket, I’m eating it now.

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        I know what the marshmallow test is; I don’t get the joke in the comic. It depicts one of the kids who didn’t wait. Where’s the joke?

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          I think it’s that he waited 5 seconds and got zero marshmellows?

          Or he ate it already between the 2nd and 3rd panel, and is demanding the second one?

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            I didn’t get it til another poster pointed it out – instead of the kid eating the marshmallow, the marshmallow is biting the kid’s arm.

            I glanced over the comic a couple times, and each time I saw the kid tossing the marshmallow in the air as if to catch it in his mouth.