I am in dire need of a true Linux Phone
Look at this: https://liberux.net/
Dude holy shit, modular emmc AND RAM, AND modem??! This looks sick as hell!!
Well, the market is really very small. There’s also the PinePhone Pro (which is discontinued) and Librem 5, Volla Phone, Mudita Kompakt. But, of couse, that whasn’t Ipone 16 pro max.
That does sound fucking based, but probably can’t run android apps as well right?
LiberuxOS contain jailed Android I think. Bit if not you can install Waydroid.
In any case, this is the other side of freedom. For some reason, people want corporations to provide them with convenient functions and applications for free and not take anything as a substitute. It doesn’t happen that way, communism hasn’t arrived. Either convenience under the wing of corporations, or freedom in all its wild splendor.
UPD: Freedom systems will never even become popular and convenient if everyone chooses the convenience of corporate systems.
the oligarchy is already set, we won’t get a grassroots competitor to apple/google at this point without shenanigans. android is open but the entire ecosystem around it is closed.
all sorts of bureaucracy and interaction with corporations and governments are now requiring squeamish proprietary apps that will not work at the mere hint of something they arbitrarily (or maliciously?) dislike.
Really gotta get rid of those.
The phone running FuriOS seems neat.
Don’t forget rock solid app gets an unexpected update 3 years later and now is jammed with ads and offers an ad free subscription at $14/week
Yeah app purchases sure went to shit, didn’t they? Sorry turns out buying an app one time for a small fee isn’t good enough, we need you to buy it again every month.
And the apps that do have lifetime licenses went from $5 to like $80
Dude fuck that noise.
I bought a lifetime copy of hex edit like 30 years ago. 20 years later I needed something and the dude answered and sent me a new code.
Fucking rock on hex edit brother!!!
I’m glad I heard of Discord’s plan to add ads to their Android app beforehand so I had the chance to disable updates. It’s annoying that Android keeps reminding me there’s an update available, but it’s less annoying than ads.
Blocking basically all ads on your phone is trivially easy.
- Find “Private DNS” (or something similar) in your settings
- Set it to dns.adguard-dns.com
And that’s really it. There are other ad-blocking dns providers out there, and they all use slightly different block lists. I like adguard because their blocklist is less aggressive than others I’ve tried, and I’d rather an ad or two get through than for something legitimate to stop working.
You can also set it up as your dns provider in your router to block ads on your entire network. People tend to like to self-host adguard or pihole for that, but as long as you don’t care about a dashboard or manual dns entries, using a free dns is as easy as it gets and is very effective. I self-host as a hobby and I still just use adguard’s public dns.
Also TrackerControl FOSS app that filters ads on your phone directly. Can enable/disable different stuff per-app. Must have no proxy/dns to work.
An in-app-purchase screen would have been a great fit.
CyanogenMod, how I loved thee
The golden age of custom ROMs was truly a technological Renaissance. Magical time.
Damn such good days. My phone is a trash can these days.
Is LineageOS not good? I thought that was forked from Cyanogen?
i cant wait for mobile Linux to be ready, I will switch in a heartbeat.
Pinephone exists now, you can buy it today. It runs Linux.
Calls/SMS do work although are not 100% so if you absolutely need these to be reliable you could get a brick phone for like £15 to cover that and then use the Pinephone as a pocket computer. I used it as my only phone for a couple of years and it was mostly fine, now it doesn’t have a SIM in it and its perfect as a pocket PC.
Follow pine64 news, they stopped producing new pinephones since they arent in demand enough
I thought that was just the pro?
the pro was discontinued but the base model is only going to be produced for another 2 years. Hopefully they release a next generation model but if they are toning down upper end models then I’m not convinced.
Mine has postmarketOS on it, probably should update sometime.
One thing I would like is decent offline maps with good performance, don’t even care of it supports GPS or not. Pinephone has no SIM in it these days and that sits in a CatB40.
Are they stopping development though? Stopping production when there is an abundance of stock to sell already is just normal business.
It wasn’t due to surplus, they said in the release that it was a didn’t sell enough units(the pro). And the current pinephone is only going to be produced another 2 or so years, they havent mentioned any plans that I saw of a model after that.
If calls/SMS are not 100% then it’s not a phone
That is where the dumb phone comes in which only deals with calls/SMS.
If you have to buy a dumb phone for your smartphone then you did not buy a smartphone, is my point
If you can’t even install software on it then its not an overly smartphone.
Sailfish exists: https://sailfishos.org/
ive looked at that, but its really more an issue of phones not using generic hardware and therefore needing to be entirely reverse-engineered before they can have all of their features used, and by the time thats done they’re too old.
Wasn’t Ubuntu phone a thing?
it was almost a thing but the kickstarter failed (despite huge interest). Ubuntu touch is a thing but its not really suitable.
Ubuntu touch is a thing, But the only platform it’s running properly on is halium, which is basically an Android core and bootloader that virtualizes the OS.
It works, and it has pretty good battery life, but it’s not really Linux on the phone, they’re using Android drivers under the hood.
The real Linux distributions that exist that are running on metal don’t have all the drivers worked out yet for modem and VOLTE, But those are close, i’m not worried about that, But I am worried about is the average of 6 hours of battery life on a 3500 mah battery. Android has battery life down to a science. Those apps just become snapshots and disappear into the background and restore like nothing happened when you need them again.
I started diving into this one Android started showing their ass a couple of months ago. If you want to use hallium, You might be able to daily drive it if you don’t have high expectations, The guy I was following that tested it out so that helium / touch was so lockdown that he couldn’t even install unsanctioned apps from the terminal because the VM would brick itself.
I can deal with not running most phone apps, But I really don’t feel like moving from one lockdown OS to another just for the hell of it. If Google pulls this s*** I will get out at the first available stop.
I’ve been hearing about this for 10+ years now. I vaguely remember testing a prototype that could only load an os. That was it
I’ve been looking to switch as well… But it’s hard to find a supported device. Dammit, I want Mobian so bad…
honestly I just want the same install and use experience as fedora KDE gives me on my laptop. ive installed all kinds of goofy rice-esque stuff but the system itself has been entirely out of my way since install.
Saw someone else mention sailfish! There is also PostmarketOS I’ve recently seen footage of it running on a OnePlus phone and it looks way more stable than I’d expected!!
Edit= apparently just 2 oneplus phones and sparse other phones are supported, and stability varies per device =/ you can check here to see if your phone’s supported!
It won’t happen due to voice over lte.
Why is this a problem?
Voice over l t e is not standardized and the carriers on the I p to connect to their system. So every carrier has an encrypted blob that only works with whatever version of phone they want to sell. If you have a major phone like an iPhone or a pixel, then apple and Google work to make sure that those seemlessly download.But if you’re any other brand you’re kind of screwed. Even Samsung has issues since I can’t use the Play Store to distribute it in their own app.Store doesn’t have good support from the carriers. The carriers really push that only the phones are purchased from them work. Spokennoise, they also pushed it unsecured.Devices need to be wiped, including them voiceover Lte data.
Look at the issues with australian service right now , they are even trying to stop iphones from other countries from using it. Apple has a whole system to make sure that all phones work with the same voice over lte stuff following the bands match and auto download the blobs.
they court the nerds with cool tech, then ditch them whenever their shit takes off and the nerds are an irrelevant minority.
Tale as old as time.
No. No it’s not that. The politics of silicon valley are turning fast, and not in good directions.
to be fair they havent been making cool tech for a while anymore either.
Oh its very cool. Have you seen palantir’s
Oh. You meant cool for you. No. Jo they have not
Pfft… We’re the ones who are just going to find the exploit in the new walled garden anyway. #GreenJailbreak
AOSP
Android Open Source Project
look inside
not open source
mfw
You can still use AOSP to make your own phone, but you’ll just have to built your own apps too, since eventually, all of google play apps aren’t gonna work on degoogled Android.
you’ll just have to built your own apps too
We are well on our way.
I was confused before I made the switch. So many of the most useful kinds of apps weren’t maintained anymore by anyone on the Google Play store. I had this surreal feeling that the app ecosystem was getting worse every year.
And then I installed F-Droid and figured out where all of my favorite app developers went. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Not a big deal, considering that FOSSIFY project offers all the basics you’d need for a degoogled phone: call app, messaging, contacts, calculator, calendar, gallery, etc. F-droid also has a good selection of apps, though most people, me included, will still need whatsapp one way or another. At least that thing doesn’t need any of Google’s “essential” apps.
I remember this “don’t be evil” slogan. But what was it from?
It was Google’s.
wheeze
It’s happening, I’m finally getting nostalgic from tech memes. The days on xda forums and IRC. Thankfully IRC is still alive. Xda seems to be dying to telegram and Google’s enshittification
Mmm yes incomplete ROMs with a ton of self-congratulatory posting
ROMS have (almost) always been incomplete works. They have always been sideprojects, by tech enthusiasts that wanted to learn. They just happen to share those projects to any who would be interested, with no warranty.
I am very happy on GrapheneOS. Even in terms of flashing it was much nicer experience than what you had to go through back in the days
I just hate that so much. The openness was one of the two reasons why I got an android phone. The other one being the price.
As gross as Google’s endless enshittification is, I blame the consumers for most of it. People vote with their wallets and they’ve been voting for the locked up walled garden crap option for the past two decades, especially in the US, where there is literally a culture of “ew, you have a green message bubble!” and chasing a status symbol is way more important than things like actual ownership over your devices, digital freedom and customization. And funnily enough, Google’s hardware sales have started increasing steadily since they’ve started copying Apple’s shitty model.
Ah yes, the consumers having no real practical alternative between apple and android means they support all the bullshit Google is forcing onto android /s
How do you propose I vote with my wallet when using something like grapheneOS requires buying a pixel?
GraphineOS is the epitome of paying against your values then using foss without giving back.
Murena sells phones with e/os already installed, and there seems to be others too where you can buy a phone: iodé , jolla, pine64, pureos,
I spent $500 on a Murena only for the thing to brick a month later because the cord or whatever connecting the rechargable battery to the rest of the phone somehow split off. Would’ve been open to shipping the thing back to them for a repair/replacement since a local shop was unable to do so, but they use UPS for shipping and there was no way in hell I was going to deal with the absolute mess it was to receive the phone to begin with a second time.
You did get the fairphone model right? The one brand that’s repairable?
I bought the Murena One since it was the cheapest model that was close to the specs of my phone at the time. Figured $500 was already overpaying considering how much lower cost my previous phone was, but also, who the hell thinks about a $500 phone bricking in a month? I just find it inexcusable regardless.
I remember wanting to get the removable battery, but they didn’t offer that with the One, and I’d be losing specs if I got a model in my budget that did have one. I also wasn’t going to spend over a grand for a phone with the Fairphone models available through them at the time.
If you’re not interested in repairability then at least you should be interested in ups returns it’s one or the other.
It took me a week and a half of absolute nonsense in order to pick it up.
They kept claiming to have attempted a delivery when I’d receive no calls from the buzzer, to which I then requested to pick it up at the nearest UPS store, which they told me they didn’t do package pick up at (they do, I walk by it all the time and have seen people leave with packages and have picked one up there since), to which I then started waiting a quarter of my day waiting outside my building waiting for the truck, which wouldn’t show up and still claim delivery attempts, and on the last day before they were to return it to sender, I requested pick up at the “only” place to do so at the airport (which is an added cost???), and spent two hours on transit only for them to tell me they don’t take cash.
It was a miracle I got the phone at all because person behind me offered to pay the fees for me on her card if I gave her the cash. Even putting aside the added pickup fee, I think the cost to pick up the phone at all was around a hundred because of UPS’ “luxury goods” fee, which Murena at no point informed me of upon purchase, so if I didn’t have the spare funds from my tax return, it would’ve been sent back regardless. I’d also have to pay that fee again getting the new phone.
Even with Graphene, it’s increasingly likely that it’ll be dead to new Pixels in the coming years. And I say that as someone posting this from a Pixel 9 running Graphene.
The time to support Android was 15 years ago when you could install any OS on any device, side load anything you wanted, root, mod, replace your battery, have full control over your file system, expand your storage, etc. Or 10 years ago, when Google was selling completely unlocked developer oriented phones, offering most of its services for free, opening sources, and actually innovating in fields like computational photography while also researching interesting concepts like modular phones.
If you feel like you can’t vote with your wallet today it’s because the market as a whole has abundantly shown that it really doesn’t give a fuck about any of those things, and it will always give the dominant position to whoever markets more aggressively or more effectively, even if the business models of those companies go against the consumers’ interests.
People in 2007 jumped at the chance to buy a ridiculously overpriced phone with no physical keyboard, a VGA camera without flash, no MMS or 3G support, no apps or customization whatsoever, no expandable storage, no battery replacement, terrible repairability, locked in to proprietary accessories and software, and so on. This, while the competition at the time was putting out cheaper phones with things like OLED screens, professional optics with xenon flashes, dual SIMs, microSD support, the latest connectivity standards, etc.
And when Apple patent trolled, took away things like the headphone jack, or normalized imposing ridiculous costs and taking huge cuts from developers, did people stop buying their products? No, they bought more.
I’m not defending Google at all. Their decline is abhorrent, but it’s a corporation, and corporations will always choose profit over everything else. It’s really naive to think they’ll offer their customers the more ethical option just out of the goodness of their hearts, especially when the market has been taking for granted or even actively discouraging the things that positively differentiated them from the competition.
By not using GrapheneOS obviously.
Also GrapheneOS is about security not about privacy or freedom. So GrapheneOS is just not really part of the discussion here.
You’re not disproving my point that there is no feasible way for me as a consumer to have a functional device without begrudgingly supporting either apple or android in their walled garden bullshit. No amount of “voting with my wallet” will fix this without a proper alternative
It kinda depends on what you define as “functional” though. Because depending on that it is definitely feasible to vote with your wallet.
In my case for example, I use a fairphone with lineageos and microg. This means I have to live with some minor inconveniences around banking and such. But, for me, this is a functional device and I can do everything I want to do with it.
Ah yes, I too blame the overworked and underpaid population that were never given a real education besides a dysfunctional and authoritarian public school system which contains at least 50% pro-status-quo propaganda and omit real useful information, and teaches kids to obey teachers and the school admin, and subjugate their free will. /s
“I get in line to buy shit phones because I’m oppressed, overworked and underpaid”. Alright. Hopefully the corporate overlords will do something about it, then.
When did you last see a queue for a new phone?
Doesn’t work that way. We should stop attacking each other and start attacking the people actually responsible for this nonsense. Apple both was the first for gluing the phone together and removing the headphone port. Every other device manufacturer follows suit such that people cannot choose. Samsung was publicly mocking Apple for locking the bootloader and guess what? Which Samsung phone can now freely install any operating system? That’s right, none of the more modern ones.
Only the new battery initiative from the EU which forces manufacturers to make batteries normally replaceable again, will change that in 2027. Short version is, if there isn’t any sort of bigger power forcing them to do something, they will refuse to, as long as screwing you makes more money. And in most cases, it does.
It works exactly that way. The reason other manufacturers follow suit when Apple does something stupid or anti-consumer is because people buy Apple regardless. When Samsung, as a corporation, see that their main competitor has cut costs by taking out features, and it’s still leading the market, there is absolutely no reason for them to not eventually do the same.
Everyone who’s replied to me so far conveniently talks about what they can do today while ignoring that my comment is about how we got here over the past two decades. Yes, it’s true that people don’t really queue for phones anymore, and it’s true that we don’t have other options now. But when we did have the options, people still preferred eating up the crap one with gusto, and usually for very shallow reasons. If you’re one of the few who didn’t, then you have no reason to feel called out by my comment.
Regulation like in the EU still requires people to vote politically for representatives that take these things into consideration, which again, clearly isn’t something that happens in the US. No “bigger power” is going to simply come out of nowhere to protect the consumers’ interests if the consumers themselves don’t give a shit about their own rights in the first place.
I understand that it’s a sad and tough reality to accept, but no amount of screaming at corpos on Lemmy or Reddit is going to undo the damage. And installing GrapheneOS on a Pixel is not the moral flex people here think it is.
I miss those days. Ive jumped to iOS for quite a few years since, but I do miss the community and tinkering. I don’t miss the shitty battery life and hoping my phone doesn’t brick when I flash a new ROM or kernel.
so apple fixed the battery life thing? i knew macbooks have insane battery life, but i thought iphones still couldn’t do 2 days which i think is the line between shitty and ok. anyway samsungs could never and still can’t do more than 2 days in my hands, but I’ve been amazed that my p8p with graphene can easily get 4 days (I’m a pretty light user).
I’m comparing the galaxy s2 I believe and other older phones I would use to flash ROMs. Battery life was always an issue then. I’m sure it’s gotten better. I’m just speaking from 2011 time period.
Lmao, yeah, batteries have improved quite substantially for all phones in the last 14 years. Unless you want removable batteries, then everything is worse now.
off topic me using android 2015
I remember when I was younger is rooted phone and installed freedom apk. This app was awesome and allowed you to buy stuff from Google Play for free. Does anyone remember this app? I always thought that logo was really weird.
Never seen this before. It is really weird.
There’s so much bullshit with smartphones now that make them a pain to use, I’m honestly considering at this point to just get a flipphone and buy separate devices for the things it can do. Get a camera, MP3 player, and portable DVD player and live life the way people did 20 years ago.
Oh, I totally agree, dude! I was thinking the same idea for a while too
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Camera problem – You have the best camera on your device, but sometimes people don’t even set the best settings lol. Plus, you’ve taken tons of photos with your phone camera that you never look at, so what’s the point? A small camera is a great idea or polaroid.
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Mp3 - I don’t have use Spotify or some streaming music platfrom. Because I listen to specific random songs that’s not alwasys available on Spotify etc. So I just download my songs with yt-dlp on mp3 files!
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Portable DVD player - I personally just download my videos (youtubers or movies) and then watch on my phone.
I’ve started to get more selective of my photos and even began printing them, sometimes gifting to friends. Now I actually end up looking at them more often.
Oh hey that’s cool! Do you print them like in those machine in shops or at home?
I do it via online shops that let me get them from a nearby physical store - it’s pretty neat that I can even select the paper size.
I tried printing once on photo paper on my mom’s printer, but colors were very off, despite configuring everything for maximum quality.
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Most relatable meme in a while, feels weird to feel so much nostalgia for an Operating system
windows 98 bootup noises
same
