The more I hear people talk about it who aren’t cis-het men, the more I hear criticism about the concept. But so far, I’ve only heard people say that it’s stupid, that it’s not a thing, that it’s men’s own fault etc. But I’ve yet to understand where that criticism comes from. I don’t want to start a discussion on whether or not it’s real or not. I just want to understand where the critics are coming from.
It’s not really related to sex. Studies have shown that men and women are affected equally. Some political groups try to turn this into a men’s issue to “prove” something. Other political groups want to silence everyone talking about men’s issues (real or fictional). It’s a pointless clusterfuck.
Gay dude here, it seems to be. We have the loneliness epidemic here too, but we’re actually organizing and fighting it, because we’re used to do that. Our cishet counterparts are definitely not equipped to do that. Women are socalized much earlier than boys, and they’re taught that the social order is theirs for keeping. Girls are simply raised to be better at this. By the time men realize what’s happened with the natural funneling of friends through the parenting years - usually those late 20s and early 30s where it suddenly starts to become really difficult to overcome the friendship hump.
I can’t comment on the whole incels taking hold of this concept, because it’s something I’ve just had explained to me in the past week. I can definitely see the gender/sexuality lines on this in real life tho (I started and run a nonprofit to create community for GBT+ men in my state).
I do think it’s fair to describe it as a men’s issue. Because its usually describing loneliness caused by a disconnect with the image of masculinity you’ve been taught, and that which you actually exhibit. Everyone struggles with loneliness, but this is a specific kind of loneliness that is worth discussing in isolation.
My main issue with it is how a lot of men seem to think its referring to women not wanting them. It’s a very easy term to feed their persecution complex.
Do you think it’s because the are conditioned from birth that being married, or having many successful relationships with woman will make them wealthy and happy?
Can you describe what you mean by “disconnect with the image of masculinity you’ve been taught”
That is a very interesting statement but does not align with how it’s been described to me which is men can’t get laid and are horny and give up on women and just watch porn
I think it’s important to note the incels often mean “the women I think are hot won’t fuck me”
They could find a girlfriend if they improved their personality or lowered their standards but they don’t want to do that.
They can’t. They’re suffering from plenty of problems - body dysmorphic disorders, PTSD, OCD, personality disorders. They would need a lot of help. But who’s going to help them? Nobody because they’re rejected by everyone ouside of their peer group, for good reasons. And this keeps them in a loop.
I haven’t seen a study about male-specific loneliness so far. The same applies to female-specific loneliness. The patterns look rather similar.
I disagree with the sentiment that it can’t be a useful term simply because you haven’t found a peer reviewed study describing the phenomenon. I would like to see more research be done, but that doesn’t change the fact that I’m seeing the issue directly in front of my eyes.
Ah that last part makes sense as a criticism. Yes, I guess incels have taken this term to defend their sexism
Incels are not a male-exclusive phenomenon, you can find the same in women too with similar complains. Only the coping mechanisms are different.