• SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    If Democrats made meaningful change at the expense of their rich owners, which is what is required for most problems to improve, then their apathy wouldn’t provoke people to also be apathetic.

    Sorry but that’s how it works

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      19 hours ago

      This doesn’t answer my question.

      Do you think change will be easier to make when a party is in power that is slowly chipping away at your freedoms, or when a party is in place that is going to go full-tilt authoritarian and do as much damage in as little time as possible?

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        18 hours ago

        Verifiable reality says no.

        Neither of the halfs of the Duopoly are interested in making the necessary changes to improve people’s lives unless those people are rich.

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          17 hours ago

          Make it make sense… You are telling me that citizens would have the same quality of life right now and no more to fight for than they currently do under the current administration, had Harris have won? I find that incredibly difficult to believe.

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            15 hours ago

            If Harris won then it’s 4 more years of no tangible positive change, then the electorate becomes frustrated and votes in the Republican fascist. Republicans win because Dems fail to improve things.

            You are operating in this weird idyllic neolib space where you think a party is their policies, in the real world a party is what they can actually accomplish.

            And you don’t seem to realize that when everything exclusively gets worse, and never better, every year, then people are not going to care how worse it gets. They will instead detach from the broken system where everything only gets worse.

            I would have preferred Kamala by a ton, voted for her. But I’m not deluding myself into thinking she would make anything better, because that requires forcing her doners to lose money, and she won’t do that, no Democrat will.

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              14 hours ago

              Nah, it’s just a modicum of critical thinking. “Would I rather have things stay the same, or maybe get slightly worse; or have things rocket to the bottom as fast as possible?”

              To say the Democratic party is just as bad as the Republican party is so incredibly stupid. Like, look at the track record of the two and tell me that the dems have caused as much damage as the Republicans, or that on a global scale right-wing politics has brought about more positivity than left-wing politics.

              I also don’t see how it makes any sense to think “eh, things won’t get better under any party, so I might as well vote for the worst. Surely this will bring about the changes I want!”. Once again, we all die eventually so I guess we should just be aborting fetuses and staging mass suicide since I guess that’s the same thing in the end and the path to get there seemingly doesn’t matter.

              I don’t think Kamala would have made things better than they were, but I don’t think anybody would. But I so think she would have made things significantly better than they are right now under Trump… But all those people trying to say “tHeYrE bOtH the SaMe” got what they wanted, and hopefully they’re enjoying what they’re getting. I certainly don’t think they’re anywhere near the same.