Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.
All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.
this country is so gross…
Ezekiel 25:17 these incestuous limp dick cowards.
That seems pretty exciting utopia
It was her lucky day that she was not shot
Show up at their house and kidnap them and their families.
No warrant, no ID, no law required.
(Yeah, Pam, I said it. Fuck you and your goofy, Nazi, child stealing, kiddie fucking pals at ICE and the entire regime. Justice will find you one day.)
Hey, Germany here. We currently don’t use Nuremberg, so feel free.
The Israelis are in line for that one currently.
JFC there is a queue. Now I’m (more) sad.
This is not a democratically elected regime. It’s a hostile takeover. The longer people don’t realise that the more time they have to prepare for their holocaust.
Still seems like a lot of info is missing, but from the linked article:
Arce has been working toward legal citizenship
The event is fucked up (I assume—there is no info about anything causing him to be targeted specifically, but he has teenage children, obviously he’s been in the US for some time now), but at least, based on this, “legal immigrant” in your title is not accurate.
It’s important to be honest and accurate, or you make it easier to be dismissed by opponents.
Edit: It’s hard to find more information, but apparently he immigrated illegally in 2004, and ignored a deportation order from 2005 (and had his now-teenaged kids afterward). If that’s true, then yeah, “legal immigrant” in the title is a straight-up lie, lol.
I really hope whoever gets in after Trump, if someone does, basically signs an EO saying all illegal citizens in the USA as of X date are now citizens. With all rights and privileges that conveys.
If that were me, I’d disband ICE in it’s current form. They’d be reformed solely for customs enforcement. I’d only enforce immigration issues if and when an illegal immigrant was arrested and convicted of a felony.
I hope Congress reclaims its power and EOs stop being a thing!
It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”. Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”
Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”
That’s not a “source”, that’s the quoted claim of his girlfriend:
Celeste Hernandez, his significant other, said that…Arce has been in the process of getting his visa papers back after getting them taken away years ago.
There has been no verification that that’s even accurate, and she is the furthest thing from an objective third party.
Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?
So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE (which conveniently we do not even have) over a published article? Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?
So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE
Skepticism of one account does not amount to endorsement of another.
Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?
I don’t think there’s sufficient justification to assume fully on either side, but the fact is that because it’s the popular position, people are happy to take the side against ICE regardless of the circumstances, which is why this post exists in the first place.
All I did was point out said lack of justification on that side, and try to find more information about a situation the linked article obviously wasn’t giving the whole picture for.
No emotional response from me (though plenty of people here project their emotional response onto me, since they can’t fathom someone not eagerly believing whatever benefits their narrative without scrutiny, and so the slightest bit of scrutiny/skepticism of an event they’ve attached their narrative to instantly becomes the assumption ‘you’re a foot soldier for the Bad/Other Guys!’).
That’s how objectivity works, despite your sarcastic implication otherwise.
How long have you worked for Trump?
Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?
You know there are hundreds of thousands of permanent residents in the US who are not legal citizens but may or may not be working towards said legal citizenship, right? “Legal immigrant” doesn’t automatically translate to “citizen”.
My wife is legal green card resident
The poster you’re replying to doesn’t know a damn thing.
The 2005 deportation order, issued one year after his arrival in the US, makes me think that, somehow, he might not have been a lawful permanent resident.
P.S. No admission of the deceit in acting like his girlfriend’s claim was a journalistic source of information, I see.
I hope you applied this same level of rigor to your analysis of the reports of Haitian immigrants in Ohio eating cats and dogs.
Down votes on aggregate are based on emotions not logic.
I know I know, so was my edit. 🙂
Hey buddy -
Sane people don’t give a fuck if this fella is here legally, this is not okay behavior for a functioning society.
The “opponents” are not engaging in good faith arguments in the first place.
False information is still false information. You could find a way to justify Fox News with those arguments.
The point is that that information is irrelevant to the issue at hand. But I may as well be arguing with a brick wall.
My uncle says the same thing about Hunter Bidens laptop. The fact is a the truth of the information is always relevant.
If it was irrelevant why is it in the title?
I’m reading replies to your message and I can’t figure out why people are coming at you so hard, except that they’re conflating you with a Trump supporter or sealion (which is obviously not true if they read your comments), and then just digging in.
You specifically say that this is “fucked up,” but there doesn’t seem to be a genuine dispute that you are correct, there was a deportation order. Hence, not a “legal immigrant.” That sucks, it doesn’t mean that the arrest is legal, but it is an objective inaccuracy.
I’m the absolute diametric opposite of a Trump supporter, but I agree we should use accurate words and facts.
I want this clear. I.C.E has no jurisdiction when it comes to citizens. One shows up at your house tell em to fuck off and call a lawyer.
DO NOT COMPLY
Within 100 miles of the border or coast, your rights are way less.
You’re gonna end up detained no matter what you do if they want to detain you. And they’ve already disappeared plenty of people without due process.
This isnnt about rights. It’s about jurisdiction. Even 100 miles away or on the border. I.c.e has no jurisdiction over American citizens. Full stop
luckily fascists are known to respect boundaries
On that we agree they don’t give a shit
And nobody with the power to hold them accountable does either.
Again… Agree
The count airports as a border point, ao ICE says tou have no rights unless you live somewhere like 4 corners or bumfuck Wyoming.
Conveniently they count every international airport as a border, so this covers almost the entirety of the country.
I’m not understanding how somebody in a mask who isn’t presenting a badge can brandish a gun and shove somebody on their property without themselves being shot.
I guess some people are in the “I will die but I’m taking you with me” mindset all the time.
If possession of an unlicensed suppressor can be legally considered attempted murder, I didn’t see how showing up armed, concealing one’s identity, brandishing firearms, and physically assaulting people (with the threat of said firearms) is not. States need to start trying all of these nazis.
Cuz fuck you, we have all the power now. Thats why
Not being rude, this is their ultimate reasoning and motivation underneath all the bullshit
man it sure would be a shame if ICE and LE assholes got treated the way they treated innocent people.
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If we allowed 50 million immigrants to enter the US the number of criminals per capita would be reduced.
If we deported Donald Trump the number of criminals per capita would also be reduced.
It depresses wages tho. I dont think its super far out to suggest this also indirectly increases crime by pushing people to economic desperation.
The worst part is that would boost the stats and the claim that citizens commit more crimes therefore the whole issue of illegal migrants and employers is moot and we shouldnt care if those numbers get pumped up even more, both illegal and the dubiously legal unskilled that are hired to depress wages and get slavery like conditions for their employers
Wage suppression has never come from immigration. It comes from shady business practices and a combined effort of the owner class to separate themselves from the working class. Have you not been hearing about record profits every quarter over the past two decades? Costs for everything have gone up in sync, except for the value of your labour, which has lost incredible amounts over the past 30-40 years.
They are taking the food out of our mouths to buy another Lamborghini. Immigration is a small drop in the barrel for why that’s happening, but the people who are to blame want you to blame it on immigrants, and not them. You bought it, hook line and sinker. How’s it feel to get played?
They can only do that because if people dont accept their bullshit they have options so they can pay an illegal or legal immigrant less and with more tabs on them so they cant complain about mistreatment.
Downvote everyone, I dare you. Its called Nouveau Slavery and its the name of the game every time. The ones who screech racism and xenophobia the loudest are almost always the guiltiest of treating those people as slaves they can do with as they will. Its all projection
So, with the mass deportations which have, according to the quota of 3000 per day, removed ~200,000 - 300,000 people, wages should be skyrocketing and the unemployment rate should be near zero.
Phew.
They should at least be deporting or jailing permanently the employers. That would end the issue overnight if there was a come-to-Jesus option
This is not anywhere close to reality. You are already a slave, can you stop working and go enjoy life for a while? Didn’t think so. We certainly let them take our worth away though, you are right there. Workers, United, are stronger than all of “them” combined, and it is exactly why they have worked very diligently to convince people that things like “unions” are not good for you and will hurt your employment, when on fact it guarantees you a fairer slice of the pie. Still far from perfect, but we have more power together than we ever will alone.
This is based on a fundamental lie, or at best misunderstanding, of the right. They claim that the labor market is zero-sum, yet money has infinite possibility. “Anyone can become rich if they work hard enough.”
In fact the opposite is true. A controlled money supply makes it the ultimate zero-sum game. The rich having more necessarily keeps it from others. The labor economy is free to expand, however, as new workers means new consumers.
There is a point with housing, however that problem is fabricated by elites, with no cause related to immigrants.
It depresses wages tho.
Employers refusing to pay a living wage depresses wages.
If the labor werent cheaply and alternatively available, they would have less leverage to do that and would have to pay the market rates for those able and willing to do it for that living wage.
The more people that live here, the more expensive it gets and the less labor is able to demand for compensation and also even just the most basic of employment and services or things like housing
Why all the layoffs then?
Why can’t you afford eggs?
Why is healthcare the number 1 cause of bankruptcy?
Why are your wages stagnant?
Why have billionaires seen a 2 TRILLION $ increase? (Since last year)
Immigrants, of course!
why isnt there ever punishment for the businesses hiring illegal migrants (only the illegals are punished and sanctioned/deported; its almost like there’s no actual disincentive for shady employers to not base their antisocial business models around that…) and why are random low skill employers like restaurants allowed to get away with legally or ilegally hiring foreign labor when there are people able and willing to fill those vacancies domestically?
The irrelevant argument that a business cannot exist at cost of employing regular citizens is not an argument for why they should exist at all and be allowed to throw up their hands and outsource like that. They are consuming and benefitting from domestic services and infrastructure, why the hell should they be able to shield themselves from taxes, underpay and exploit workers, and get paid for the pleasure and often not even need to reinvest back into the actual society they could only every exist as a product of?
How is there NOT an incentive for employers to game the system by publishint job listings for random positions with inflated requirements and undervalued compensation so nobody who could otherwise do the job at the actual market price and be hired domestically wouldnt or couldnt apply and they simply wail that nobody wants to work so they can get government slaves at a fraction of the price who they can deport if the employees complain about human or labor rights violations?
How would that not set a lower and lower standard for workers everywhere in general when their employers are empowered by the government to use that a bargaining wedge and keep them in line from otherwise demanding more or even basally reasonable standards when the owner buddies with a legislatoe can simply stroll in and fire everyone with the assurance they can legally employ their slave replacements and pocket all the difference to personally benefit and cover the minimal costs of next lobbying cycle along with other businesses who have an incentivr to conspire on joint efforts like this?
Oh boy. This explains “what about vape?”
That’s just not how the economy works.
The people that immigrate work. They have labor value. They’re consumers too, they’re literally just people like you and me - and zooming out to macro economics that’s all we are. The human widgets in the machine.
Trying to blame immigrants for the ills of society is a fool’s errand.
Maybe instead of pumping up shareholder value in stocks, most of which are not owned or shared by the actual labor, there could be an increase of wages and benefits through taxation. Hell stocks could be given to the people who are making that revenue for the company and not to just like the pockets of the investor class who are literally making money by simply having it.
I don’t think people prefer to be exploited for their labor but when the USD goes farther than your local currency and you’re already in bad enough straights it is worth the hardship for those folks.
Also all of this is ignoring one very obvious fact. IT IS ILLEGAL TO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANT WORKERS. Maybe … just maybe if the companies and farm owners followed the law they claim to care so much about the demand and the benefit of “illegal” immigration would cease to exist.
Its not about blame. Its about pointing out that all this value they produce is basically absorbed only by the businesses that illegally or unethically employ them and the government that collects increased revenues with fewer obligations that they would be required from regular citizens and also a reduced incentive to solve actual domestic problems rather than let those pumped up government and business revenues/profits to make them look good rather than attenuate that with the actual real cost to citizens who bear the brunt of all of it.
Its a scam thru and thru but I’d love for you to point me objectively to how the businesses and government dont gain from this at the cost of the citizenry on the balance
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I also think it’s pent up rage because a black man was president. These racists will literally never let that go or accept it.
I’ve heard it so many times from racists I am related to and work with. ‘‘We had a black president NOTHING IS RACIST ANYMORE! I can say whatever I want now’’ they REALLY can’t figure out what ‘racism’ means on any dictionary level.
Its wild considering that they are aliens, not native americans. They are literally guests of this country
There is no greater flake than a butt-hurt, racist conservative. That’s why political correctness exists: to protect their feelings. They’re so disappointed when they realize no one cares about the genes they rely on.
We have reached a point in reality where I believe Tolkien’s “Evil will defeat itself” when even Trump supporters are swept up by the consequences of their voting choices.
Masked men
Refuse to give names
Refuse to give badge numbers
Refuse to identify themselves
Have no arrest warrant
Threatening bystander with lethal force
Show no shred of professionalism
Taking your loved one with no explanation other than ‘shut the fuck up’
How is this not a kidnapping and why don’t people defend themselves.
If masked men who refuse to identify as law enforcement with names, badges, or at least faces, are pushing my wife into an unmarked car … Ya someone is getting shot. Even if it’s me, no one is taking my wife like that.
Of course it’s North Charleston.
Thank god the US is fucking loaded with guns, so people can defend themselves.
/s
And yet we dont. This has always been the gun fetishists fantasy situation, but now that its here, they dont use their guns. Seems like they wasted their money.
The gun fetish people are the only ones signing up to be ICE.
More guns than people, but in the hands of a few. And anyone at risk of being deported is even less likely to risk it.
