Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.

All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.

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    It depresses wages tho. I dont think its super far out to suggest this also indirectly increases crime by pushing people to economic desperation.

    The worst part is that would boost the stats and the claim that citizens commit more crimes therefore the whole issue of illegal migrants and employers is moot and we shouldnt care if those numbers get pumped up even more, both illegal and the dubiously legal unskilled that are hired to depress wages and get slavery like conditions for their employers

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      This is based on a fundamental lie, or at best misunderstanding, of the right. They claim that the labor market is zero-sum, yet money has infinite possibility. “Anyone can become rich if they work hard enough.”

      In fact the opposite is true. A controlled money supply makes it the ultimate zero-sum game. The rich having more necessarily keeps it from others. The labor economy is free to expand, however, as new workers means new consumers.

      There is a point with housing, however that problem is fabricated by elites, with no cause related to immigrants.

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      It depresses wages tho.

      Employers refusing to pay a living wage depresses wages.

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        If the labor werent cheaply and alternatively available, they would have less leverage to do that and would have to pay the market rates for those able and willing to do it for that living wage.

        The more people that live here, the more expensive it gets and the less labor is able to demand for compensation and also even just the most basic of employment and services or things like housing

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          That’s just not how the economy works.

          The people that immigrate work. They have labor value. They’re consumers too, they’re literally just people like you and me - and zooming out to macro economics that’s all we are. The human widgets in the machine.

          Trying to blame immigrants for the ills of society is a fool’s errand.

          Maybe instead of pumping up shareholder value in stocks, most of which are not owned or shared by the actual labor, there could be an increase of wages and benefits through taxation. Hell stocks could be given to the people who are making that revenue for the company and not to just like the pockets of the investor class who are literally making money by simply having it.

          I don’t think people prefer to be exploited for their labor but when the USD goes farther than your local currency and you’re already in bad enough straights it is worth the hardship for those folks.

          Also all of this is ignoring one very obvious fact. IT IS ILLEGAL TO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANT WORKERS. Maybe … just maybe if the companies and farm owners followed the law they claim to care so much about the demand and the benefit of “illegal” immigration would cease to exist.

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            Its not about blame. Its about pointing out that all this value they produce is basically absorbed only by the businesses that illegally or unethically employ them and the government that collects increased revenues with fewer obligations that they would be required from regular citizens and also a reduced incentive to solve actual domestic problems rather than let those pumped up government and business revenues/profits to make them look good rather than attenuate that with the actual real cost to citizens who bear the brunt of all of it.

            Its a scam thru and thru but I’d love for you to point me objectively to how the businesses and government dont gain from this at the cost of the citizenry on the balance

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          Why all the layoffs then?

          Why can’t you afford eggs?

          Why is healthcare the number 1 cause of bankruptcy?

          Why are your wages stagnant?

          Why have billionaires seen a 2 TRILLION $ increase? (Since last year)

          Immigrants, of course!

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            why isnt there ever punishment for the businesses hiring illegal migrants (only the illegals are punished and sanctioned/deported; its almost like there’s no actual disincentive for shady employers to not base their antisocial business models around that…) and why are random low skill employers like restaurants allowed to get away with legally or ilegally hiring foreign labor when there are people able and willing to fill those vacancies domestically?

            The irrelevant argument that a business cannot exist at cost of employing regular citizens is not an argument for why they should exist at all and be allowed to throw up their hands and outsource like that. They are consuming and benefitting from domestic services and infrastructure, why the hell should they be able to shield themselves from taxes, underpay and exploit workers, and get paid for the pleasure and often not even need to reinvest back into the actual society they could only every exist as a product of?

            How is there NOT an incentive for employers to game the system by publishint job listings for random positions with inflated requirements and undervalued compensation so nobody who could otherwise do the job at the actual market price and be hired domestically wouldnt or couldnt apply and they simply wail that nobody wants to work so they can get government slaves at a fraction of the price who they can deport if the employees complain about human or labor rights violations?

            How would that not set a lower and lower standard for workers everywhere in general when their employers are empowered by the government to use that a bargaining wedge and keep them in line from otherwise demanding more or even basally reasonable standards when the owner buddies with a legislatoe can simply stroll in and fire everyone with the assurance they can legally employ their slave replacements and pocket all the difference to personally benefit and cover the minimal costs of next lobbying cycle along with other businesses who have an incentivr to conspire on joint efforts like this?

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      Wage suppression has never come from immigration. It comes from shady business practices and a combined effort of the owner class to separate themselves from the working class. Have you not been hearing about record profits every quarter over the past two decades? Costs for everything have gone up in sync, except for the value of your labour, which has lost incredible amounts over the past 30-40 years.

      They are taking the food out of our mouths to buy another Lamborghini. Immigration is a small drop in the barrel for why that’s happening, but the people who are to blame want you to blame it on immigrants, and not them. You bought it, hook line and sinker. How’s it feel to get played?

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        They can only do that because if people dont accept their bullshit they have options so they can pay an illegal or legal immigrant less and with more tabs on them so they cant complain about mistreatment.

        Downvote everyone, I dare you. Its called Nouveau Slavery and its the name of the game every time. The ones who screech racism and xenophobia the loudest are almost always the guiltiest of treating those people as slaves they can do with as they will. Its all projection

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          This is not anywhere close to reality. You are already a slave, can you stop working and go enjoy life for a while? Didn’t think so. We certainly let them take our worth away though, you are right there. Workers, United, are stronger than all of “them” combined, and it is exactly why they have worked very diligently to convince people that things like “unions” are not good for you and will hurt your employment, when on fact it guarantees you a fairer slice of the pie. Still far from perfect, but we have more power together than we ever will alone.

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          So, with the mass deportations which have, according to the quota of 3000 per day, removed ~200,000 - 300,000 people, wages should be skyrocketing and the unemployment rate should be near zero.

          Phew.

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            They should at least be deporting or jailing permanently the employers. That would end the issue overnight if there was a come-to-Jesus option