I hope I’m not exposing myself to some kind of retailation, but here it goes.
It has been brought to my attention in a totally unrelated discussion that moderator(s) of !stable_diffusion_witches@lemmy.dbzer0.com and !stable_diffusion_mycology@lemmy.dbzer0.com hosted here on db0 seemingly randomly ban users (including me) which had never ever even interacted with the community as being “Anti-AI Trolls”, “Neoliberals” or other names. Some other users are banned for “Vote Manipulation” (what does that even mean?! you still addicted to reddit’s karma or what?).
While I totally don’t mind these communities, content served by them and their rules as stated in the sidebar, I somehow found myself caring for what lemmy.dbzer0.com represents in the fediverse. I am of strong stance that such behaviour like described above (proactively banning random users) stands in a potential violation of The Golden Rules which are the foundation of this instance. This starts to be noticeable and brings negative perception of our instance.
I claim that such behaviour is in contradiction of rules calling for cooperative participation in the community by creating “closed garden” of only the most trusted users by the moderation where noone else can participate. The rules under which someone is banned are not clear, bans are not directly connected to any particular user comment and/or action.
I call for the community to voice their oppinion about this matter and if the community agrees with my objection to such behaviour as described above, I call for a proper action to be taken to enforce the community standards.
Thank you.
I agree that random blocking sours the reputation.
The only thought I can conjure is perhaps a mod got pissed about a post and banned everyone from a thread, including commentators defending our even just neutrally discussing AI.
I think more detail, perhaps direct comment from the mod(s) involved, is warranted.
As to “vote manipulation”, brigading or mass vote blasts are against the rules but harder to pass muster on a bit.
Again, the mod should have a chance to respond for sure.
The mod in question is apparently convinced that Lemmy is full of “anti-AI trolls” who are planning to brigade their communities with mass downvotes, accuse them of pedophilia, send death threats, and all kinds of stuff.
-https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521
And so, the only solution is to cast about for random people all over the Lemmyverse (including me, well known hater of all things AI) and send out bans like stray beads of spittle flying from a drunk politician’s mouth. Obviously. It’s the only way to keep us safe.
I feel like it’s a toss-up whether this person is stirring drama on purpose (trying to create “pro-AI” and “anti-AI” camps and instigate disagreements between them), or whether they’ve just got some screws loose and like to paint themselves as the victim of a vast conspiracy and also enjoy using the “ban” button that comes with their UI. IDK. It’s not really that big a deal, honestly, I feel like it could be solved in a day or so with some frank conversations and openness on all sides. I’m not sure why so little energy is going towards that, and why so much energy is going towards deciding which specific strictures we’re going to have the software enforce on all of us going forward and who the enemy needs to be.
Something is weird about it, that’s all I can really say.
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And for reference, here’s someone being a transphobe to zir because the internet just can’t help it to not spam hate to people online.
Edit: another account was just made to harass Mystic: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.works
That has literally nothing at all to do with banning me. We might as well talk about banning you, because that user said that. That’s as much relationship that comment has to the subject of OP’s post.
(I also think it’s sort of convenient that a new user popped up and started making cartoonishly harassing comments about the person we’re talking about, thus propping up the “mods need the ability to ban totally random people, because look at this person he’s so bad look at what a terrible thing he did, I 100% guarantee you that the mod banning random people is always the victim and never the harasser no matter what they ever do” narrative.)
I reported that comment, as I’m sure some other people did. You do understand that has literally nothing at all to do with banning other users who haven’t done anything that that person did?
Am I the weird one in this conversation? I’m having this sort of Alice in Wonderland feeling here.
Well I haven’t had my coffee this morning, so maybe I’m being weird.
But I wanted to at least document that in this very thread there’s people harassing zir, because zir exists online.
I don’t think it’s odd to think there’s users targeting harassment them, when examples pop up without being asked.
Edit: An account was made about 15 minutes ago to harass Mystic: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.works
You know what? Let’s try some Socratic teaching.
The people harassing the mod should be:
The people not harassing the mod or doing anything wrong should be:
I feel like this should be an easy test, but let’s see what you come up with.
I’m a mod in a community that some hate, we automatically ban anyone who visits (or trips over it on the front page) and only down votes too many things
Some of them have felt hard done by, but they don’t want to be unbanned, they really don’t want to see our content
I wonder if the op was really just db0 being just a little more trigger happy. The “nothing” might have been down voting something that quickly attracted tens of down votes in quick succession, causing them to be mistaken for brigading. Votes cluster in time.
I agree they shouldn’t be banned when they aren’t harassing.
I think we just don’t agree what constitutes harassment.
Sometimes it’s obvious, like today and a month back at Mystic. A user insulting directly, or spinning up a bot to impersonate and say horrid shit about them.
Sometimes it’s basically digitally stalking communities like Hexbear does. Lefty Memes on here has Hexbear users that pounce on the comments if you call out simping for dictators isn’t exactly any good for anyone.
Maybe I need my coffee and I’m autistic as fuck at times, but you’re not my enemy here, I just find it odd that people (not you here) don’t like a community, and instead of avoiding it, get involved with it in a bad way.
Is that every user banned in the Stable communities? I can’t say for certain. Mystic has data on zir end that has vote manipulation, and documenting the harassment.
I’ll admit that I might be biased, I might be dumb here, I might be not fully awake or picking up context clues. But I’ve seen the shit flung at Mystic for just having a community online where they don’t spread it outside of that, and to some that’s a crime that demands becoming a lolcow for Lemmy.
Mystic has responded on the db0 community feedback, as has db0 himself about this. Db0 has no issues with this issue. Mystic doesn’t come in here as no one expects the data zir provides, because they want to be unbanned despite not wanting to interact with the communities.
I’m not trying to shut you up, and I hope you’re doing the same. I’m just trying to say I understand and sympathize with Mystic here. You saw today just one of the things people will do to zir just because they post content online.
Is every mod action there fair? Fuck if i know, I’m not one of the mods there. I don’t like being an mod on Lemmy, I made this account to avoid that when I abandoned the last time I was.
I don’t wish to keep this going I don’t think either one of us is going to suddenly change our views here. We could go for hours or days on end, and go nowhere with it.
I’m going to make my coffee and try to be with my friends this morning. This is not a “haha I win, I’m leaving now” this is me explaining why I’m not coming back for a debate for today at least.
Yeah, I mean it’s fine. I’m not trying to “debate,” I’m trying to get you to grasp the point that I was banned for literally no reason at all. I’ve never participated in that community, I’m not an “anti-AI troll,” I’m not harassing them by any stretch of the possible imagination. My only participation even adjacent to that is sometimes from my previous account upvoting content from the main Stable Diffusion community because I like it. I sometimes talk negatively about some types of AI, as it happens I have some recent comments talking positively about it, but I don’t really have any kind of tribal affiliation either for or against.
I don’t know why you keep bringing stuff that other people have done into the conversation, and trying to triangulate this thing where because this moderator was harassed by somebody else, that means they have a right to accuse anybody they want of anything they want. That doesn’t make any sense to me, I think it’s a toxic pattern that should be called out when it happens. That’s the only reason I care to any degree about any of this. I am unlikely to participate in any of the places I was banned from, overall it’s fine. My point is just that falling into this thinking where we have to be in tribes and one person from one tribe was a victim and so they lashed out at a bunch of other people and it’s okay because they’re a victim, that’s wrong.
Well yeah, there are bots made in zir username that were horrid and mocking zir because zir mods a space on the internet. Calling zir a pig, misgendering, saying pigs are tasty, etc.
What would you call that if not harassing? Our admins can confirm this.
I don’t see how banning random third party people is going to be a solution to that. Actually, I would expect it to make things worse, since anyone who wanted to make one of those bots can still do all of that exactly as much or as little as they could before (and obviously be banned for it exactly as they would be able to before), but also she’s going to get additional people irritated at her because she’s now lashing out at uninvolved parties.
I don’t see how banning a community of people who are more than willing to spin up bots that impersonate and harass users, hate the content of those communities, who claim they don’t want to be involved and are currently begging to be banned to save their eyeballs, is doing harm.
If people don’t like the content, they can stay away from it. I don’t like Tankie content so I don’t go into their communities saying they’re all morons so I can be banned and then say “see? They’re not tolerant of my ideas.”
Also 11 up votes in 2 minutes is kinda funny.I didn’t do any of the things you said, nothing even close to it, and I got banned. That’s what I mean by “uninvolved parties.” I’m sure I am not the only one.
My apologies, you didn’t but others in this thread from Hexbear and previous posts have said “Ban me, I don’t wanna see it anyways.”
This is such a weird conversation.
“Your honor, we’re asking for the ability to send this man to prison.”
“But he hasn’t done anything…”
“Yes, but others have, and they’ve sent death threats to the prosecutor, too. They’re the worst. I rest my case.”
What we are talking about is the systematic and ongoing harassment of this mod by anti genAI trolls, who are perfectly happy to use tranphobic abuse, misgendering, threats of violence, calls to suicide, and any number of other hateful tactics to bully and harass the mod, simply for having the temerity to like genAI as a hobby.
Mystic has adopted proactive bans to protect zir mental health as much as anything else. The exact same type of harassment happens towards blajah users, just for existing. To be honest, I suspect some of the anti-trans trolls have changed focus to trolling about genAI, because this mod also happens to be trans. So it’s a 2x bonus target for them :(
I’d be more concerned if instance bans were being handed out like candy for downvoting, but they aren’t. They are nearly all community bans from just a small handful of communities. Is it really a big deal getting a random ban from a community you don’t particularly care about in order to help protect the mod of that community from a harassment campaign? Since you like your Socrates, which one of those two things is worse? Which one is more likely to lead to self harm or psychological damage?
Unfortunately, some folks get caught up in these bans where it turns out they were just going about their day. I can understand people getting upset with copping a ban they feel they didn’t deserve. But if you send a quick DM to the mod explaining your case, I’m pretty sure they will be willing to unban you.
It is weird that people are asking to be banned by the mod team so they can avoid going to places they don’t like, I agree. Shit is God damn weird.
Damn right, he brought everything on himself. He needs to just stop, lay low, take the L and move on. He brings this shit on himself by stirring the pot.
But this happened to me as well. Haven’t heard of any bots in my name.
Me neither, I haven’t had a dedicated hater that much yet. I know some people outright hate me even if we agree on the same issue at the moment.
I’ll hate you. If you want.
Nah, but I appreciate the offer. :3
Okay! I just know how important it can be to be hated sometimes. I don’t know your needs, but i wouldn’t want to deny anyone that if it’s one of them.
Hate the game, not the player.
He brought it on himself, stupid alcoholic couldn’t help himself. Don’t call him a “her” he is not a woman.
See this is a person we can ban lol
Hope so.
Nope, get bent. Transphobia isn’t cool even if you don’t like the person.
Wow, besides being a whiny asshole, you’re also transphobic. Fuck you.
Edit: Glad you’re banned.
My lemmy head canon is that all the pro-AI folks are actually AI themselves.
It’s why he pretends to be transgender, people have more sympathy towards trans folks due to their perceived struggles and are willing to ignore the inconsistencies.
I know this happened to me too. I think there are a lot of very fragile people who really like this technology.
He’s an alcoholic, of course he’s fragile. Little whiny vodka baby (he admitted Vodka is his favorite, he’s probably Russian)
What the fuck? Why even come here?
Because they hate users who have fun.
And when banned from here, made a new account.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.works
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When does the communities mentioned hit All? They’re very small communities people only go to by choice.
page 4 of all is still all. plus the algorithm is funky, might be scaling by com size
Sorted by New. I had to block those communities because they fill New with spam
No it being AI slop and the mod being a dirty AI slopper sours the reputation. AI slop is disgusting and needs to fuck off. Ban all AI slop and AI sloppers.
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