I hope I’m not exposing myself to some kind of retailation, but here it goes.

It has been brought to my attention in a totally unrelated discussion that moderator(s) of !stable_diffusion_witches@lemmy.dbzer0.com and !stable_diffusion_mycology@lemmy.dbzer0.com hosted here on db0 seemingly randomly ban users (including me) which had never ever even interacted with the community as being “Anti-AI Trolls”, “Neoliberals” or other names. Some other users are banned for “Vote Manipulation” (what does that even mean?! you still addicted to reddit’s karma or what?).

While I totally don’t mind these communities, content served by them and their rules as stated in the sidebar, I somehow found myself caring for what lemmy.dbzer0.com represents in the fediverse. I am of strong stance that such behaviour like described above (proactively banning random users) stands in a potential violation of The Golden Rules which are the foundation of this instance. This starts to be noticeable and brings negative perception of our instance.

I claim that such behaviour is in contradiction of rules calling for cooperative participation in the community by creating “closed garden” of only the most trusted users by the moderation where noone else can participate. The rules under which someone is banned are not clear, bans are not directly connected to any particular user comment and/or action.

I call for the community to voice their oppinion about this matter and if the community agrees with my objection to such behaviour as described above, I call for a proper action to be taken to enforce the community standards.

Thank you.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    291·
    6 days ago

    ah ok I thought you just wanted to post about being moderated in way you didn’t like. For a larger discussion about what kind of moderation policies we tolerate, this kind of post belongs in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com . I would suggest you post it there instead and make sure you add the string governance type: sense check in the end

  • Luci@lemmy.caEnglish
    191·
    6 days ago

    Okay so it wasn’t just me. Not sure what triggered it. I’m not anti-AI, I’m just worried about the ethical and environmental aspects. If that makes me an anti-AI troll then block me from the whole instance.

  • thann@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    152·
    6 days ago

    A talented person who makes their money fairly wont be selfish because they know they can always make more. A person who lies cheats and steals for money will be selfish because they are insecure in their talents.

  • tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    12·
    6 days ago

    I agree that random blocking sours the reputation.

    The only thought I can conjure is perhaps a mod got pissed about a post and banned everyone from a thread, including commentators defending our even just neutrally discussing AI.

    I think more detail, perhaps direct comment from the mod(s) involved, is warranted.

    As to “vote manipulation”, brigading or mass vote blasts are against the rules but harder to pass muster on a bit.

    Again, the mod should have a chance to respond for sure.

    • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auEnglish
      144·
      6 days ago

      The mod in question is apparently convinced that Lemmy is full of “anti-AI trolls” who are planning to brigade their communities with mass downvotes, accuse them of pedophilia, send death threats, and all kinds of stuff.

      “From the moment I started the [redacted] community here people have been brigading it trying to suppress it, and had I not had the sense to ban the droves of anti-AI trolls who come to downvote it into oblivion. They probably would be continuing to do so in insanely large volume. A lot of the users who come to downvote do so with empty no content accounts, but a lot are also trolls from the !fuck_AI@lemmy.world community. I’ve also received a fair amount of harassment including threats and bad faith accusations from it like people saying I’m a pedophile or saying I’m pretending to be nonbinary over the fact that I like and use genAI. Really awful behavior that has no place on this instance of this community.”

      -https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521

      And so, the only solution is to cast about for random people all over the Lemmyverse (including me, well known hater of all things AI) and send out bans like stray beads of spittle flying from a drunk politician’s mouth. Obviously. It’s the only way to keep us safe.

      I feel like it’s a toss-up whether this person is stirring drama on purpose (trying to create “pro-AI” and “anti-AI” camps and instigate disagreements between them), or whether they’ve just got some screws loose and like to paint themselves as the victim of a vast conspiracy and also enjoy using the “ban” button that comes with their UI. IDK. It’s not really that big a deal, honestly, I feel like it could be solved in a day or so with some frank conversations and openness on all sides. I’m not sure why so little energy is going towards that, and why so much energy is going towards deciding which specific strictures we’re going to have the software enforce on all of us going forward and who the enemy needs to be.

      Something is weird about it, that’s all I can really say.

        • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auEnglish
          144·
          6 days ago

          That has literally nothing at all to do with banning me. We might as well talk about banning you, because that user said that. That’s as much relationship that comment has to the subject of OP’s post.

          (I also think it’s sort of convenient that a new user popped up and started making cartoonishly harassing comments about the person we’re talking about, thus propping up the “mods need the ability to ban totally random people, because look at this person he’s so bad look at what a terrible thing he did, I 100% guarantee you that the mod banning random people is always the victim and never the harasser no matter what they ever do” narrative.)

          I reported that comment, as I’m sure some other people did. You do understand that has literally nothing at all to do with banning other users who haven’t done anything that that person did?

          Am I the weird one in this conversation? I’m having this sort of Alice in Wonderland feeling here.

          • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            103·
            6 days ago

            Well I haven’t had my coffee this morning, so maybe I’m being weird.

            But I wanted to at least document that in this very thread there’s people harassing zir, because zir exists online.

            I don’t think it’s odd to think there’s users targeting harassment them, when examples pop up without being asked.

            Edit: An account was made about 15 minutes ago to harass Mystic: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.works

            • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auEnglish
              123·
              6 days ago

              I don’t think it’s odd to think there’s users targeting harassment them, when examples pop up without being asked.

              You know what? Let’s try some Socratic teaching.

              The people harassing the mod should be:

              1. Banned
              2. Not banned

              The people not harassing the mod or doing anything wrong should be:

              1. Banned
              2. Not banned

              I feel like this should be an easy test, but let’s see what you come up with.

              • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
                61·
                5 days ago

                I’m a mod in a community that some hate, we automatically ban anyone who visits (or trips over it on the front page) and only down votes too many things

                Some of them have felt hard done by, but they don’t want to be unbanned, they really don’t want to see our content

                I wonder if the op was really just db0 being just a little more trigger happy. The “nothing” might have been down voting something that quickly attracted tens of down votes in quick succession, causing them to be mistaken for brigading. Votes cluster in time.

              • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                94·
                6 days ago

                I agree they shouldn’t be banned when they aren’t harassing.

                I think we just don’t agree what constitutes harassment.

                Sometimes it’s obvious, like today and a month back at Mystic. A user insulting directly, or spinning up a bot to impersonate and say horrid shit about them.

                Sometimes it’s basically digitally stalking communities like Hexbear does. Lefty Memes on here has Hexbear users that pounce on the comments if you call out simping for dictators isn’t exactly any good for anyone.

                Maybe I need my coffee and I’m autistic as fuck at times, but you’re not my enemy here, I just find it odd that people (not you here) don’t like a community, and instead of avoiding it, get involved with it in a bad way.

                Is that every user banned in the Stable communities? I can’t say for certain. Mystic has data on zir end that has vote manipulation, and documenting the harassment.

                I’ll admit that I might be biased, I might be dumb here, I might be not fully awake or picking up context clues. But I’ve seen the shit flung at Mystic for just having a community online where they don’t spread it outside of that, and to some that’s a crime that demands becoming a lolcow for Lemmy.

                Mystic has responded on the db0 community feedback, as has db0 himself about this. Db0 has no issues with this issue. Mystic doesn’t come in here as no one expects the data zir provides, because they want to be unbanned despite not wanting to interact with the communities.

                I’m not trying to shut you up, and I hope you’re doing the same. I’m just trying to say I understand and sympathize with Mystic here. You saw today just one of the things people will do to zir just because they post content online.

                Is every mod action there fair? Fuck if i know, I’m not one of the mods there. I don’t like being an mod on Lemmy, I made this account to avoid that when I abandoned the last time I was.

                I don’t wish to keep this going I don’t think either one of us is going to suddenly change our views here. We could go for hours or days on end, and go nowhere with it.

                I’m going to make my coffee and try to be with my friends this morning. This is not a “haha I win, I’m leaving now” this is me explaining why I’m not coming back for a debate for today at least.

                • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auEnglish
                  121·
                  6 days ago

                  I’m not trying to shut you up, and I hope you’re doing the same. I’m just trying to say I understand and sympathize with Mystic here. You saw today just one of the things people will do to zir just because they post content online.

                  Is every mod action there fair? Fuck if i know, I’m not one of the mods there. I don’t like being an mod on Lemmy, I made this account to avoid that when I abandoned the last time I was.

                  I don’t wish to keep this going I don’t think either one of us is going to suddenly change our views here. We could go for hours or days on end, and go nowhere with it.

                  I’m going to make my coffee and try to be with my friends this morning. This is not a “haha I win, I’m leaving now” this is me explaining why I’m not coming back for a debate for today at least.

                  Yeah, I mean it’s fine. I’m not trying to “debate,” I’m trying to get you to grasp the point that I was banned for literally no reason at all. I’ve never participated in that community, I’m not an “anti-AI troll,” I’m not harassing them by any stretch of the possible imagination. My only participation even adjacent to that is sometimes from my previous account upvoting content from the main Stable Diffusion community because I like it. I sometimes talk negatively about some types of AI, as it happens I have some recent comments talking positively about it, but I don’t really have any kind of tribal affiliation either for or against.

                  I don’t know why you keep bringing stuff that other people have done into the conversation, and trying to triangulate this thing where because this moderator was harassed by somebody else, that means they have a right to accuse anybody they want of anything they want. That doesn’t make any sense to me, I think it’s a toxic pattern that should be called out when it happens. That’s the only reason I care to any degree about any of this. I am unlikely to participate in any of the places I was banned from, overall it’s fine. My point is just that falling into this thinking where we have to be in tribes and one person from one tribe was a victim and so they lashed out at a bunch of other people and it’s okay because they’re a victim, that’s wrong.

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        93·
        6 days ago

        The mod in question is apparently convinced that Lemmy is full of “anti-AI trolls” who are planning to brigade their communities with mass downvotes, accuse them of pedophilia, send death threats, and all kinds of stuff.

        Well yeah, there are bots made in zir username that were horrid and mocking zir because zir mods a space on the internet. Calling zir a pig, misgendering, saying pigs are tasty, etc.

        What would you call that if not harassing? Our admins can confirm this.

        • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auEnglish
          9·
          6 days ago

          I don’t see how banning random third party people is going to be a solution to that. Actually, I would expect it to make things worse, since anyone who wanted to make one of those bots can still do all of that exactly as much or as little as they could before (and obviously be banned for it exactly as they would be able to before), but also she’s going to get additional people irritated at her because she’s now lashing out at uninvolved parties.

          • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            73·
            6 days ago

            I don’t see how banning a community of people who are more than willing to spin up bots that impersonate and harass users, hate the content of those communities, who claim they don’t want to be involved and are currently begging to be banned to save their eyeballs, is doing harm.

            If people don’t like the content, they can stay away from it. I don’t like Tankie content so I don’t go into their communities saying they’re all morons so I can be banned and then say “see? They’re not tolerant of my ideas.”

            Also 11 up votes in 2 minutes is kinda funny.

            • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auEnglish
              71·
              6 days ago

              I didn’t do any of the things you said, nothing even close to it, and I got banned. That’s what I mean by “uninvolved parties.” I’m sure I am not the only one.

                • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auEnglish
                  91·
                  6 days ago

                  This is such a weird conversation.

                  “Your honor, we’re asking for the ability to send this man to prison.”

                  “But he hasn’t done anything…”

                  “Yes, but others have, and they’ve sent death threats to the prosecutor, too. They’re the worst. I rest my case.”

          • SlipperySlime838585@sh.itjust.worksBanned
            14·
            6 days ago

            Damn right, he brought everything on himself. He needs to just stop, lay low, take the L and move on. He brings this shit on himself by stirring the pot.

        • MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.worksBanned
          32·
          6 days ago

          It’s why he pretends to be transgender, people have more sympathy towards trans folks due to their perceived struggles and are willing to ignore the inconsistencies.

    • MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.worksBanned
      24·
      6 days ago

      No it being AI slop and the mod being a dirty AI slopper sours the reputation. AI slop is disgusting and needs to fuck off. Ban all AI slop and AI sloppers.

  • Universal Monk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    114·
    3 days ago

    Holy shit, this thread. What the fuck is happening to Lemmy?! Shit is getting crazy. Now we even have extremist anti-AI people. Are they just looking for shit to be angry and extreme about?! What shit are they gonna be mad about, tomorrow?

    I love AI. I get that some people don’t, but some of them are starting to become the fuckin Unabomber about it. lol

    AI has made my life better and way more fun.

    Stay mad, Luddites.

  • NuraShiny [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    145·
    6 days ago

    Ban me next! I am an anti AI troll!

    Fuck AI, it sucks and will always suck! The basic idea that you can make a huge database of words in “”“”“context”“”“” and make that intelligent is WRONG! That’s not how brains work and not how intelligence works, or can work.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialBanned from communityEnglish
    125·
    6 days ago

    I laughed when I noticed they cross-banned me for being anti-AI because it was long after I had blocked the subs specifically because they are for posting generative AI drivel. As soon as any of them show up on my feed, I block them. Stable_diffusion, perchance, anything specifically appended with “AI…”

    Hey, dipshit mod: it’s not trolling if we’re not coming into your place and talking shit about your shit.

    • MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.worksBanned
      34·
      6 days ago

      Yeah fuck this mod, he banned me because I downvoted his posts and their admin instance banned me after I posted here to alert them. Fuck them and fuck db0. Just block all of db0 at this point, they’re dirty AI sloppers.

      • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auEnglish
        9·
        6 days ago
        1. Wanting to stir up inter-instance drama on purpose for whatever inscrutable reasons (bringing “neoliberal” into it seems guaranteed to get people excited)
        2. Mental illness / need for attention, see also possibility 1

        I’m sure that this has nothing to do with possibility 3, a good-faith effort to run an orderly community. Honestly, I just think Lemmy’s model of little fiefdoms where particular people have unlimited power to wield over all the plebs in their little domain is unhealthy for a few different reasons, this type of thing being one of them.

        I have no particular place at the table to weigh in on the db0 governance issue. I’m not sure how big a deal it is one way or another (like I said in the other thread people just do weird stuff sometimes). For me I probably would have a chat with the mod and see what their thinking is here, maybe encourage them not to do this anymore because of the extremely low productiveness vs. drama ratio involved with actions like this.

        That’s my 2c for what it is worth.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      62·
      6 days ago
      • User and community has a history of being flamed and directly targeted online
      • User deals with it
      • User is now flamed and directly targeted online for dealing with it

      Yep it’s just an average day on the internet.

  • Pratai@lemmy.world
    1210·
    6 days ago

    Being banned from a community full of a bunch of kids pretending to be artists where all they do is salivate all over each other’s cringe “artwork”? Yeah. That is a gift.

    Typing a coherent sentence into a prompt doesn’t make you an artist- I guess common sense just isn’t any more.

  • Morningstar_bitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    33·
    4 days ago

    tbh, I like ai, I hate ai art, it just takes work away from actual artists who put in time, heart and soul into their craft, instead of just type a sentence into chatgpt, I had both those comms blocked anyway so being banned from them would make absolutely no difference