And from the glowing reviews it’s clear that
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W11 doesn’t actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial
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For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won’t even notice that’s something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD
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Amazon doesn’t care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)
I thought all Lemmy users were running Linux?
and also Thinkpads?
and thigh highs?
Fursuits
OpenBSD too
soon™️
Folks, the sooner you dip your toe into Linux the better. Don’t let these mega corps tell you how to use your own stuff. Buck the trends and break free.
I’ve been thinking about it, but I probably wouldn’t be able to run my driving sim gear on it. I think I might get a cheap second-hand laptop to play around with it, though.
That’s the way I fully got into it - started off on an old laptop and
manifestedcontinued from there.
Thrift stores and pawn shops have some great deals on PC’s that will run Linux just fine if you’re concerned about Amazon prices and e-waste. If you have a local radio-shack-like mom and pop shop, those are treasure hunts and you’re guaranteed to find gold. Encourage folks to go local.
Those are newer than the CPU I’m typing this on, they’re not waste
They dont officially support windows 11 and the avg users are not going to know any better. It’s a grey area scam. They’re not worth $400 at all.
Core i7-6700 with 32 gb ram isn’t worth $400? Daymn, I’m due to upgrade then
Those aren’t eWaste. Those are Mint machines.
I cosiddetti pc spazzatura
… a ten years old PC is…
… that’s something from 2015, …
Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?
Aa of July 1st we’re closer to 2050 than 2020
You sure about that? Maybe you meant 2000 not 2020? Regardless, not sure how to feel about that…
Hahah. I think you should double check your sources. As far as I know 5 years is less than 25
As a mathematician i can sure you that 5, as you have assumed, is indeed less than 25.
If you’re a mathematician how can you be dissing 5 like that?
Less than? Hell no.
5 is soo much more and soo many things that 25 isn’t and never will be.
Without 5 you wouldn’t even have 25. Some might even say that 5 is the root of 25. Show some respect for the roots.
Not only is 5 a beautiful prime number, it’s also the perfect number for a geometric shape. Everyone knows what a pentagon looks like. The Pentagon even named their institution as that. They didn’t name it after 25. Who the hell has ever heard of the icosikaiopentagon? Nobody, that’s who.
Look at the American flag. It has 50 stars. Guess which shape they have? That’s right, each of the 50 states have stars with 5 points. Exactly 0 of them chose to have a 25 pointed star.
You know what a bad number is? Yes: 25.
25 is a shitty composite number. It’s shitty because it’s not even good at being a composite number; having only a measly 3 factors: One, itself and 5 (of all things, duh…)
That’s because it’s square and boring. Does it even look square to you? This uneven 25 is supposedly a square. I never made a square of 25 things. What’s the fucking point in that? If I had to make a square for any purpose whatsoever, I’d definitely chose a better number with many more factors, so I could actually use the squaredness to divide things and mark mid points and what not. 4 is a square. 16 is a square. They’re so much better at being square than 25, because you can cut them in half and make a grid with a midpoint.
So, yeah yeah, there are probably other numbers out there greater than 5, but it sure as fuck is not 25.
Nice mental gymnastics, but if 5 is so good, how come five five’s could is so bad? Who cares about the pentagon? The broad use of 5 everywhere just shows how its a banal number, how worthless it is. Now 25 is reserved for much greater things, any toddler knows it shouldnt be overused.
To be fair, the year 2020 was a very long couple of decades.
If you think that 210€ is full price for a pc then you require some research assistance.
Stop purchasing from Amazon
It’s Amazon. Of course it’s a scam. I always tell elderly people it’s a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.
Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown if what it should cost?
My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don’t consider it e-waste.
I call it ewaste because it is coming from that. Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy
Those computers go to ewaste centers, then some not honest sellers take the components (that usually were left on 24/7 because in offices nobody bothers to turn off computers) and put them in brand new cases
That’s why is a scam, selling old stuff that came from an ewaste center as brand new
Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy
3-5 years is a pretty standard depreciation schedule for IT equipment like computers, peripheral accessories etc.
Computers and laptops (using Straight-line method): 31.67% with a useful life of 3 years.
Computers and laptops (using Written Down Value method): 63.16% with a useful life of 3 years
It really has nothing to do with leasing vs. buying.
Yes ok from an accounting point of view.
But from a functional point of view?
I see how my bank teller works: they connect to a terminal server
I see how my other bank works: a VM that runs AS/400 that is acting as a terminal to their mainframe
Why they’re changing computers so often? The first one can use any PC released in the past 15 years and the second one can use any released in the past 30 years
But “e-waste” means something so outadet that it’s useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.
And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it’s heavily used equipment?
“NUOVO” in Capital letters means NEW
But are you certain they aren’t new and this is a scam? I’m interested to know how you determined those are used.
Btw, where does it say “Nuovo”? I can’t find it. Is it not on the screenshot?
these are at best new old stock, not truly new
Of course it’s not new new, the CPU is 10 years old. But who would think that it is?
unfortunately most people don’t keep track of CPU generation names.
First row of the 400 euro one
So keeping it from being actual ewaste it’s now going to be used by someone… That seems like a good thing.
The only downside I see is that it isn’t disclosed
My gripe with that is that the seller is scamming inexperienced people, they think that they are buying a brand new PC while instead it’s not
(The fact that a 400 euro PC includes 600 euro of software licenses should ring a bell about the legitimacy to the buyer, though)
How are they scamming? They list the specs right there again the only issue is that they are used parts potentially, but I’m not sure how you know these examples are specifically sourced as you claim.
It is unrealistic that parts with that age are brand new, available in that quantity. It might happens that some distributor misplaces some box and a couple computers are old new stock after a decade, but hundreds?
Also: W11 pro OEM is 120 euro and office 365 perpetual doesn’t even exist, and if they meant office 2024 home and business is 299 euro. 120+299 exceed the listing price
It can’t be legitimate because licences for the bundled software cost more than the machines are being sold for. Also, the hardware included isn’t officially Windows 11 compatible, so selling it with Windows 11 installed is misleading the customer into thinking they’re buying something much more recent than they really are. For a decent number of people buying these, they’re likely to own something just as new already, and could get a free upgrade to Windows 11 by doing the same configuration tweaks as the sellers did.
Do you mean you wouldn’t consider it a scam if it has W10 preinstalled instead? How much is MS Office anyway? I know there are $5 W11 keys all over the place.
The $5 Windows keys have never been legitimate - either they’re just people selling keys they’ve generated with a keygen or bought with a stolen credit card, or it’s students reselling free keys they’ve got from Dreamspark or a sysadmin selling keys from their employer’s enterprise licence, which, in Microsoft’s eyes, are all piracy. An OEM copy of Windows 11 Pro is about €150 and can’t be transferred to a different motherboard, and a retail copy which can be transferred is about €300. A one-time purchase copy of Office is about €120 (it’s also available as a subscription). These machines either have at least €270 of software on them, or €0 worth of pirated software on them.
What does it matter that Microsoft considers it piracy? If they got the keys for cheap somewhere, it’s a real licensed version anyway and will work fine.
I can order retro emulation handhelds from China and it will arrive with 1000s of ROMs, which is literal piracy, but that doesn’t make it a scam.
The only time a tried to buy a laptop from Amazon it was advertised as 16Gb of RAM. What was delivered was 8G with an 8GB SD card taped to the box and Amazon refused to give me an actual refund. So i just assume any computer you buy on Amazon is fraudulent now
That seems like an entirely different problem from the one being discussed.
I got the one on the top (minus storage and ram) from a local university surplus store for $30 a few years ago. Lenovo brand but same form factor.
Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.
lol, the one on top is the same i bought in 2016, crazy still on the market. I still have the CPU, replaced motherboard, case, and other goodies over the years
Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good “unsupported by Windows 11” PC cheap this October.
Same. Should be rock bottom prices.
