The IDF is a terrorist organization. Prove me wrong.
You know, at one point during this war, I thought, “they’re compelled to service, most of them probably don’t wanna be there, and we can’t hold them responsible for the orders of the state.”
Then I saw some interviews with some IDF soldiers. Then I saw more interviews. And it’s the same in recent interviews: they are happy to be there, and they absolutely love genociding Palestinians.
Fuck the IDF
I still think it’s basically brainwshing by government propaganda.
Probably. Oude like some further analysis on that, but I am definitely inclined to agree with you.
Brainwashing can only go so far. At some point, (such as targeting civilian children) any sane soldier will crack and say “No”.
Even if it were the case that they didn’t want to be there, “just following orders” is not an acceptable excuse for committing a genocide. The morally correct thing to do if you’re compelled to service in the IDF is to refuse and face the consequences, because they cannot be worse than the moral injury of being tasked with the murder of innocent children.
If I was a news agency with an agenda I wouldn’t be broadcasting the interviews that are negative either. Those you will find on foreign TV channels, 10-20 years from now after those who are currently serving finish their mandatory service and immigrate elsewhere. Every once in a while some event happens which becomes difficult to cover up. Like the Pilot Letters from 2003 and 2023, but it is the exception rather then the norm.
Even for the ones compelled to be there who have little (not no) choice, it doesn’t mean the IDF isn’t a terrorist organization. Other terrorist groups use force to get soldiers, yet we don’t pull our punches calling them out.
There are older documentaries where older IDF recount war crimes and being proud of it… this been going since the creation of this project … the two main forces that created the IDF are UK Registered terrorist organization.
Brainwashed by religion and nationalism
Both of them absolutely were. That’s not what I’m arguing here.
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My friend, it’s really important that you get the subjects correct. We were talking about Israeli soldiers here, and even if you generalize, Israelis. We are not talking about Jewish people on the whole.
Counterpoint: The IDF isn’t a terrorist organization; they’re the Wehrmacht.
I don’t know if that’s really a counterpoint. The Nazis started as a terrorist organization.
And I’d argue that, based on available historical evidence, a lot of the Wehrmacht were fighting for Germany, not the Nazis (a subtle distinction, I know, but I think an important one in this context), whereas IDF soldiers, according to many interviews with them, are definitely fighting for both Israel and Zionism. I would argue that IDF soldiers are far more committed to their geo/sociopolitical cause than were the typical soldier in the Wehrmacht.
The IDF’s fascist zeal is more akin to that of the SS. Although, as an organization, the US Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement is far more similar to the Nazi SS.
The Nazis started as a terrorist organization.
True, but they evolved into something more terrible than that, just like Zionist militias did in 1948. I feel that calling the IDF a terrorist organization, while catchy, is an understatement of the depth and scale of evil they’re committing and have committed. They’re closer to the raping, pillaging and murderous hordes of Genghis Khan.
Yes, your explanation is more succinct. I was just trying to add a bit of historical context and comparative analysis.
The Wehrmacht was sworn to Hitler and to nothing else.
Wrong. They were sworn to Germany, and nothing else.
The vast majority of them also joined so they didn’t starve to death. And in the second half of the war, it was forced conscription. They said what they had to say not to get shot in the head. While I don’t doubt that many, even most, were loyal to the Nazis, a lot of of them were not. a great many joined because they had no other choice.
It’s a historical detail that is worth mentioning
Wrong. They were sworn to Germany, and nothing else.
This was the oath they took in the Wehrmacht:
„Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes, Adolf Hitler, dem Obersten Befehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen.“
“I swear by God this holy oath, that I shall render unconditional obedience to the Leader of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath.”
They were sworn to Hitler and to Hitler only. Google Führereid.
Cool. I get that you love fascist colonizers, but I’m pointing out how that has not ever worked out, and the reasons why. But keep goose stepping in. Apparently that’s very popular nowadays.
This does not, in anyway, to get my point. But thanks for googling that for me.
I’m definitely blocking you. I don’t like Nazis.
Reported. I am not a Nazi, nor do I support the IDF or Netanyahu, but you were factually and provably wrong. Free Palestine.
The wehrmacht had tons of people forcibly drafted into it from occupied territories like Poland or Ukraine. People who often defected to the allies to fight against them later on. You are thinking of the SS.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Death, death to the IDF!
Damn tho, it catchy!
Double catchy! Catchy rhythm/rhyme and catchy message.
You guys have sound? I can’t unmute it in Lemmy, and directly on Imgur the unmute is grayed out.
Edit: Hmm, works on Firefox, again
Not the first time some media worked only in Firefox, but not Chrome. Embedded FLAC wouldn’t play (despite it being supported), WebSDR audio wouldn’t start, from the other times I recall.
Again being reminded to switch.How have you not switched already?
Firefox on Android was a bit of pain for desktop sites. First the tabs on top were missing, and until recently, the scaling was screwed up compared to Opera/Chrome.
Have you considered using a Lemmy app? I don’t have these issues you’re having in Voyager. You’re browsing Lemmy the hard way for no good reason.
Voyager
Have you replied to the wrong person?
If you were replying to me, the WebUI is best optimized for landscape use, and I don’t like using my phone in portrait mode much, especially if I want to type.
Plus I get tabs. The Android multitasking is unreliable, and switching is inconvenient. There’s no desktop-like panel, and background apps often die if more of them are open at once.
Lastly, embeds. Apps usually only work with images with regular URL, the WebUI works with Images, Video, Audio also in base64 data tag for tiny images, and images can be made into buttons.Let me give you examples:
This is the Bulgarian Radio 1 stream:
Probably broken in most Lemmy apps.And here’s a button, but in base64 so it’s directly in the comment, since it is pretty small:
Probably also broken in some apps.These are edge cases, but an advantage too. If I wasn’t lazy, I could use animated bullets and lines like on the old web, but in Lemmy comments.
Welcome to this example comment
Make sure to:
Have fun
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Do you have more information on this? I have an android gadget with google apps installed but I try to mainly use Firefox…
I listen to bbc with this gadget when I take a shower in the morning before work…
Recently, in firefox the sound started shutting off after a couple minutes, and I had to start using chrome…. I assumed it was something nefarious where they are trying to collect more user data…
The gadget thinks I live in a random place on the planet and I don’t use it for anything other than a mobile game I play and movies and listening to the radio… anyways, I’d much prefer to use Firefox…
I think this could rather be related to power saving if the screen is locked.
I prefer to use a dedicated internet radio app. VLC also works if you obtain the direct stream (check online or play around with element inspector).
Very few things refuse to work on Firefox mobile. The one exception I’ve run across is trying to log into Google, which insists that I should use a ‘compatible’ browser. Like Chrome.
If I switch what user agent Firefox is reporting so that it LOOKS like I’m using Chrome, it works perfectly, surprise, surprise. I hate Google.
I’ll go check his songs now, just from that chant I can tell he has a way with music
If you missed the 2000s anti war punk bands they deliver with a 2025 vibe.
The band they cut off also has great music and are all about giving the middle finger to the man
What’s up with the stage name, though? Does he do Bob Dylan covers or is that just his name?
Maybe it’s because half their raps are in Gaeilge or the BBC just didn’t check, but booking Kneecap and not expecting to hear something about governments and Palestine would be like booking NWA and cutting their mics if they played Fuck the Police.
Great job riling up the crowd for Vylan’s new chant there, genius move.
Lol they basically did that before. They booked Rage Against The Machine to play “Killing in the Name of” live. It has the line “Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” and they asked RATM to censor it while they played. The BBC was then somehow surprised when RATM didn’t do what they told them. source
i’m going to imagine him staring the BBC producer(s) dead in the eye as he sings it
The BBC isn’t booking anyone they’re just covering Glastonbury festival.
Thing is, afaik, the BBC has nothing to do with booking the artists. They just broadcast the sets and hold them on the iPlayer for a month after. Kneecap (and Bob Vylan) were booked by the Glastonbury organisers.
Brits are so fucking good at chants. Caught the quick rhythm and even the melody in just a bar.
Irish too. The band they cut short just before this has songs that are quite catchy and the theme is ACAB
The BBC are complicit in genocide by censoring the news in favour of Israel.
Anyone got a video of the rest of this set? Searching for it just brings up page after page of genocide apologists getting upset over the warmup.
BBC nuked the footage after they got the call.
Someone uploaded it to WeTransfer if you’ve not found it elsewhere yet.
It’s a great set. Big Bob spitting facts from top to bottom.
I can agree with that message
Israel is a murder machine.
I get knocked down… I get up again
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I feel like wishing people who are purposefully murdering children would die is not hateful and actually a pretty moral stance
It’s definitely not a black and white issue for sure, every adult must serve in the IDF or face criminal prosecution in Israel, so saying “death to the IDF” and “death to every of age Israeli citizen” are basically the same statement.
Seems pretty black and white. The genocide is massively popular at home, and I don’t see any armed uprisings.
Prospects were good during PM Rabins term, the root of this problem is with corrupt people like Netanyahu. Killing every single perso on either side is not a solution.
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So in your mindset, there’s zero point where killing is “justifiable”?
I’m legitimately asking here.
In a perfect world, people would respect boundaries, not start war, or genocides to further their own beliefs.
What do you propose people facing extinction do? Parlay?
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Troll? You haven’t answered either of my questions? Lmao. Not everything is black and white my guy.
Again, I am legitimately curious what your opinions about this are.
You can sling insults all you want. It doesn’t further your argument in any legitimate way.
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I am not disingenuous in asking them.
I’m not even necessarily talking about the current situation here.
I’m asking you, where your line in the sand is.
If someone was in your home, threatening your life, or your loved one’s lives, and they absolutely were not empty threats, would violence to the point of killing be “justified”?
For example, should the Ukrainians not defend their sovereignty, on their own soil, because killing at all is immoral?
You came at this with a black and white statement, but there are nuances to the world that shape the decisions outside of a binary “they killed/didn’t kill”
If one side kills 100 for each one of their own killed there’s a big difference. Other factors to consider is when your land is blocked off from the outside world by land, sea and air and being routinely invaded. The Geneva convention says there is a right to resist occupation on top of that which Israel did sign.
Jesus, those are some thoroughly piss-soaked chips you’ve got there, petal.
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Your ability to admit you don’t understand it is a big step. Now you just need to address your previous commenters in the same light, with the questions you’ve been asked and are too afraid to answer. We believe in you, champ.
I’m sure no one here wishes that anyone HAD to die. Most ethical systems throughout history have a moral justification for killing, if the death will prevent further killing of innocent people. If it’s immoral to kill someone actively murdering children and about to murder more, are you saying it would be preferable to let the children be killed?
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You aren’t clever, trying to say we shouldn’t kill Nazis in a war against Nazis.
This isn’t rhetorical, tell me. If someone is about to shoot a child, and the only way we could stop them is through military action, what would you do?
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You almost have a point but to get there you have to ignore the entire actual context of the conflict. It’s not just killing because of killing, there’s an entire ongoing expansionist colonial project making one party clearly the aggressor.
You avoided my question, I would like to know your answer, not some idealist moralizing. I am saying my question isn’t rhetorical because I want to know what you would suggest we do to stop a genocide that doesn’t entail any violence at all. I am genuinely curious! I am Buddhist, I agree killing is wrong and don’t even kill ants or flies.
Israel is commiting genocide against Palestine. They are shooting and bombing dozens of children and women every single day, while starving all of Gaza and letting them die of preventable illness. Tell me how many Israeli children have been killed in the war today? If a Palestinian is about to shoot a child whether in Israel or anywhere, someone would be justified in stopping them. But that is not the situation. Israel has pinned Gazans into a deathtrap with no food, water, and hardly any healthcare system remaining, now using ‘aid’ centers to further their indiscriminate murder.
If any killing at all is wrong, then you would suggest people sat by and watch the Nazis finish the holocaust, because it would have been wrong to fight back?
In a hypothetical where there’s a murderer with a machine gun killing children that will not be prosecuted in court then wishing them to be dead is pretty reasonable if you want the killing to stop.
Not saying killing is moral or that people don’t have the right to live because they do but how else would you stop the murder if the government doesn’t?
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God, you’re a melt.
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and you’re a big smelly smell-bag who smells :P
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No u
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Yeah, fuck you.
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I stand with you brother
Yeah fuck you too
Me when person loves terrorism and religious oppression
Idk I’d suggest looking at the state of Gazas hospitals and childrens services (all done specifically by the IDF) before coming to such a bad conclusion. Shitting on the IDF is the best thing people can be doing, there has unfortunately been some genuinely anti semitic stuff mixed in with the pro Palestinian movement but this ain’t it chief.
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