UPDATE: The Unbans are showing up on modlog now.:
unban log screenshot
I have traded the month-long ban in the many communities for a 6-day ban in vegan@lemmy.dbzero.com, which is a more reasonable ban. this ban has also been lifted now. I appreciate the cooperation from the mod over this misunderstanding.
So it seems i’ve gotten a month-long ban in… over 30 communities across lemmy.dbzer0.com, sopuli.xyz, lemmy.ca, programming.dev, and several others, for this comment here.
Screen cap of comment for posterity:
It’s directly replying to a comment saying they can’t imagine why anyone thought otherwise about fish feeling pain, which is reasonable. You might notice the quotation marks, because it’s satirizing people’s mental gymnastics about fishes’ pain perception. It was meant in jest, exclusively.
It seems likely that a single mod took this joke wrong and chose to ban me on every community they have control over.
Don’t respect lemmy mods or their decisions.
This is really hilarious but also thanks for sharing all the instances to steer clear of lol
This platform just doesn’t get satire or sarcasm, does it?
Lemmy is the most black and white community I’ve encountered. Nuance is completely fucking lost here and god help you if you try to argue against the prevailing wind.
You dropped the /s.
Tap for spoiler
/s
Imma be banned now.
For most part it does, but there are a small number of people who have established their control over a portion of it and like to wield their authority. So basically like reddit, local politics, and pretty much every social situation.
My most upvoted comments includes a lot of sarcasm, satire, and snark.
I’ve seen that said about all online spaces. The reality is that communication is harder than people think. Speakers and writers think their intentions are obviously jovial. Listeners and readers think their intentions were obviously malicious. Tale as old as time.
Just from personal experience: there seems to be an undercurrent of opinion that sarcasm and irony lead us into narcissistic dystopia fast.
As witnessed by the many ironic Redditches that turned bloody fast: There are just too many Psychopaths willing to take over and use it to lure the apparently plentiful masses of stupid people in (Biden-Bro and The-Donald come to mind).
I know certainly myself have tried to make this place less toxic by beeing less sarcastic. It’s not about getting it and more of a conscious choice for me. As a side effect, I feel less bitter or disconnected from my life, so that is a net win.
Do I miss beeing an ironic, sarcastic ass sometimes? Absolutely. But it is not the good place I want to hang out at.
That’s quite extreme. PTB.
I meant to just ban them from the vegan community on db0. I will reverse this.
also not justifiable. your bans are ridiculous
How does someone accidentally ban people across multiple communities and instances? Is there a ban from everything I moderate button?
Yes
Not everything is done with bad intentions.
why not have another mod double check the ban before it goes through?
Ir Reddit taught me anything is that anyone who mods more than one community is physiologically incapable of having good intentions.
There’s 2 ticks on the Tesseract menu when you want to ban an user from interacting with your community without directly looking for their comments and I accidentally hit the bottom option instead of the top one.
Take at that what you will.
I’ll bet that’s handy for taking care of spammers!
much appreciated, that makes more sense.
Sorry about that, I definitely ate the onion in that situation.
Hey, misunderstandings happen. I also jumped the gun a bit by posting in PTB first rather than contacting you directly first.
That makes more sense :D I withdraw my PTB for a BPR since it does seem you misunderstood their comment.
Y’know, concentrating power in the hands of a single person / group defeats the purpose of decentralisation.
I can understand if the damage is limited to communities within a single instance, but when a ban is so far-reaching - across so many instances - it makes me wonder what’s the point of choosing Lemmy over, say, Reddit.
It’s still the same problem again, just with different people in charge - like Bluesky vs Twitter.
Not really.
You can make your own instance and moderate it better. You can split up power however you want.
lemmy fixes admin abuse, not mod abuse.
It doesn’t “fix” admin abuse either - see feddit.org situation. It only helps with admin abuse as the bans apply to part of the universe rather that to the entire Lemmy.
Yes, that’s how it fixes it. You cannot be banned from lemmy, only individual servers.
That is not “fixing”. It is partial remedy.
The alternative would be taking away power from instance owners, which is its own form of abuse.
The only ‘problem’ here is that most communities are proud to abuse their power when it suits them.
The solution is to make more communities that do not abuse their power. Unfortunately, people are afraid to do that because the abusive instances with threaten to “defederate” from instances that do not share the same agendas.
Life isn’t perfect.
Sadly.
If it were perfect for you, how many more would find it intolerable? Ideally, we can live and let live. Life isn’t ideal, either.
I think it’s as much of a fix as is possible. If your problem is the owner or admin of the server your best solution is to leave. On reddit that meant leaving reddit. On lemmy it means you have to find another instance
On lemmy it means you have to find another instance
My understanding is it works slightly differently.
It means that all users of an instance which banned you won’t be able to see your comments even if these are made on another instance. It therefore stops you from participating with all the users of the instance which banned you, even on other instances.
Thus my comment about the limited remedy.
How is it only a partial remedy?
Because you still can be banned across individual servers so multiple communities, sometimes very large - and there isn’t anyone who can unban you when it happens.
I don’t see any solution to that that doesn’t end up horribly.
Yeah, the problem of modreach is definitely not a solved problem. The other problem, of all discourse being directly controllable from on high by a profit-driven company, however, is solved by lemmy. I believe that was the original issue lemmy was meant to handle. And that problem does seem to be solved. We’ll just have to handle the problem of public official reach the way we normally would.
There’s a fine line and I guess it can happen when one isn’t experienced enough or jaded.
For example, I don’t think banning pitbull or staffie dogs is great. They are loving, loyal dogs if well-socialized by someone with the time, temperament, and consistency to do so. Banning these beautiful animals often means they are sent to shelters and euthanized wholesale, because they can’t be placed . They didn’t ask to be born, either.
Nonetheless, when I saw a pinned post in the"Ban Pit Bulls” community, I refrained from posting, even if it did seem rather an incongruent view alongside militant veganism. I’d already argued my points which were vehemently rejected.
But yptb just seems like a lot of whining by people unable to self-soothe and self-validate, imo, and I know people are going to be extremely offended by my saying so.
When was this? The one I used to see in All got new moderation (the mod being discussed) who introduced, what I thought, were reasonable rules to encourage actual discourse.
I get what you’re saying about it before but, assuming they’re being fairly enforced, I assume it’s got to be better there now.
Oh that’s encouraging. Maybe I missed it before. I don’t currently own any, but I’m still ok with the breed in general.
We do and I feel like you do. That’s why that community used to bug me so much.
I learned first hand that having a pit or pit mix is a lot different and they take a very patient owner and consistent method of training.
Yes, they can be stubborn! That said, I’ve been guilty of that.
Mods can accidentally hit the ban all option on the Tesseract frontend. Accidents do happen.
Distrust me if you want to.
how did OP get banned in servers from so many different instances?
Not every ban is done in good faith like op has rightfully called out.
that is not an answer to the question I asked
Tesseract has an option to ban an user across multiple comms.
Just say the truth, you wanted punitive action. Now go ahead and ban me as well on any way communities you mod I don’t want to ever hear of you
I didn’t know PETA modded communities on Lemmy
PETA would send the fish to a kill shelter
Yikes, a mass ban over multiple communities for that? PTB
Ada used to do this too before people started speaking up
Mods and admins will always find a way to trip over the smallest amount of power.
It is reddit modding behavior. They are censoring people they don’t like
You have no right to attack Ada for that.
I do, she’s been a bad admin who’s made petty decisions and deserves to be criticized
The ban across multiple communities is not intentional. I just meant to ban them from !vegan@lemmy.dbzer0.com. I was not used to Tesseract’s ui. But even that was definitely jumping the gun upon rereading the joke.
Why would you ban them from !vegan though, considering the comment was made in another community entirely? Even if we assume the comment was serious, you’re basically saying the rules of the !vegan comm extend across the fediverse.
Because it was meant to be punitive.
Ridiculous more like.
Did the punitive action work ?
It made the punisher feel a thing 🤡
The op’s comment was fine. My thought process was to avoid problematic users from entering a community they’re not ready to respectfully engage with, no one should have to explain themselves to the individuals who are engaging in bad faith. Notice how the bans are temporary.
Sunshine, this is problematic on so many levels, I’m not even sure where to start :/
Not a fan of preemptive strikes for comments or posts made in different communities…
If the posts in other communities show an intent to cause disruption for a specific topic, they do make sense. As in they take the initiative to cause disruption, posting bacon pics in a vegan or vegetarian community, going into an LGBTQ+ space to spread homophobic or other hateful messaging.
Banning because they made a joke in some other unrelated sub that could just be sarcasm? That is just fishing for users to ban.
If the posts in other communities show an intent to cause disruption for a specific topic, they do make sense.
I’d rather have the ability to flag these potentially disruptive users and have their posts being held up in a moderation queue for those communities.
That way if they behave, they can participate, if not they at least the posts / comments were filtered away and didn’t reach the entire userbase, minimizing harm while giving them the benefit of the doubt.
“I fucked up, but I shouldn’t have to explain myself”
Shameful coward.
Credit to you, sister. Coming here, updating your opinion and reporting it, is awesome. We need more mods like that.
PTB, if you were banned from vegan Comms I wouldn’t really care, but a joke getting you banned from multiple non related Comms over several instances? Now that is crazy
PTB, if you were banned from vegan Comms I wouldn’t really care,
I would. He absolutely shouldn’t be banned from vegan community for something he wrote in a different community.
I thought i had a perm ban from them when i called them hypocrites for not caring for the feelings of vegetables. Saddly it was not
They went too light on you
But i was honestly serious. How can they talk about animals feelings when not even looking at plants feelings. Again im 100 percent serious.
10/10 ragebait
Nope. No /s or anything.
I mean plants do communicate distress, so I can see that. While we haven’t evolved to live solely on sunlight, suffering will happen. That we are aware and only take what’s needed, with respect seems correct.
You don’t even need plants with feelings. Grain fields carry all the field animals like rabbits and rodents. Those animals flee from cleared land into long grass
So as combine harvesters clear the fields the animals are concentrated into smaller and smaller areas
Harvester operators call the last acre ‘the bloody acre’ due to the number of animals cut up by the harvester blades
You can’t eat without animal deaths unless you go to the extreme of just eating fruit you pick yourself
Also the monoculture fields are destroying the land. We need permaculture solutions and there isn’t a way to do that without animals to fertilize the land
And whos to say if that means something less then how we feel. Plants are a living being and should be givin as much or as little respect as anything else.
Rocks and water too, imo. Different discussion, different place. Goodnight everyone.
Some people are gonna give you grief about this, but you raise an interesting point. I was just talking about this the other day with my gf and my son over a vegetarian dinner we were having. There is more and more research about plants be more intelligent (for lack of better word) than we thought before. Still kinda taboo in science circles, but it is being discussed and looking into.
It’s like the crossbans of reddit. As soon as you either comment and get banned from a sub, other subs that don’t like your subs preemptively ban you
the… scales… of justice are often harsh
But fair when they are gill-ty
Only with de-fin-itive evidence
looks like they’re letting him off the hook tho!
The mod in common across all these servers is @Sunshine@lemmy.ca and her other alternate accounts on various servers.
Sunshine, if you see this, this is a pretty overkill response from you over what is a joke about the lengths people go to to lie to themselves. If you’re thinking it was a bad joke still deserving a ban, at least diminish the sentence length down from a month to a few days instead. I will edit the post to communicate the lessened ban length.
It’s OK Sunshine, JayDee’s made out of styrofoam.
I’m sorry, but you’re banned from every community I moderate now.
Sunshine has a history of power tripping, and is able to avoid attention for it by using alts. As Beaver, they put the lemmy.world vegan community in trouble with admins over that vegan cat food drama, then later banned respected members of the community for “downvoting vegan comments”. They were ostensibly de-modded when another mod spoke up, but if memory serves they actually still had their Sunshine alt on the mod list months later.
Beaver is sunshine, or what?
Finkle is Einhorn?
Yeah, sorry if I wasn’t clear about that. Here’s another post with some unrelated drama that mentions a few of their known alts:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/1485815?page=1&actionType=All
IMHO this mod is out of control
That is golden 😂
Wow, they’re just blatantly banning people who said something they disagree with now.
Stay away from the vegan comms until you learn how to engage the topic in good faith
Lol ok powermod. PTB. Doubly so for banning over a comment on a totally seperate instance & community.
It’s a vegan community. If I see users who are anti-vegan I don’t want them on my community.
Some people go out of their way to antagonize the users on blahaj.zone or !womensStuff@lazysoci.al defending their poor actions saying “Well its on all feed so I can make my unwelcomed comments and don’t you dare force your comm rules on me” without reading your sidebar rules.
Cope, this was a mass ban for a fairly mild joke on a entirely different space and wasnt even touching your vegan community in the slightest.
They very clearly were not on the vegan com at the time of the comment so the example given is a false equivalency.
Petty reddit powermod behaviour.
You’ve only walked this back as well due to the mass backlash stemming from this post.
Lets agree to disagree. Goodbye and have a nice day.
No not really, I’ve seen you pulling shit like this for a while now and the sheer number of popular communities you control is frankly concerning.
This is exactly how we end up with a Lemmy version of awkward the turtle.
I admitted I wrong, I reversed the ban, I explained why it happened. Please stop with the assuming the worst, when I just wanted to have communities where I can post on my liked instances. I dont understand why this fascination of assuming the worst.
Please leave me alone.
I’m not anti-vegan
I only engage in good faith.
Oh yeah … that mod. Not the first time they did that, but this might be the pettiest one, yet.
PTB for sure.
PTB - The humor could use a bit of work, that joke was reeling in so slowly, just flopping around like a…
Yeah, you could argue that the entire thread was a bit fishy.
Fuck, i liked Sunshine too…
PTB
Glad they at least reversed it after getting caught
And here I had them blocked within about a week of them showing up.
Seems to be https://sh.itjust.works/u/Sunshine@lemmy.ca that’s trigger happy.
I did see that. She is a pretty active mod it seems.
Well at least you got a great story to tell when people says the /s is unnecessary. :)
