I mean, there are two side of the argument.
Pragmatically, fleeing would save your life.
But ethically, it feels cowardly. (I’m not calling anyone a “coward”, its just how I internally feel about such an act, if I were the one doing it)
By leaving you are voting with your feet, one could argue it’s one of the most effective ways to fight. Staying means that in many ways you will be continuing to support the broken system
Stay and fight for it. Because what happens if and when shit goes south wherever your new home is? Just keep running?
Well, apparantly, Lemmy is telling people to immediately flee the US.
So like, I’m just wondering. What happens when every person left-of-center leaves? Do we just leave a bunch of nazis with the entire nuclear arsenal of the US?
leave a bunch of nazis with the entire nuclear arsenal of the US?
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Lemmy is telling people to flee the US? What did I miss?
me fleeing the US with money I don’t have
One of the methods of getting a foreign visa (EU countries in particular) requires you to have the equivalent of $500,000 USD to invest in the country. I’m like… bruh, in this economy? 💀
I think you’ll find that most countries worth emigrating to are expensive and hard to get into, much moreso than the US.
Now you understand what it means to flee your country. It’s never an easy decision.
I don’t think there’s any easy answer here.
If you stay, are you able and willing to fight and to what degree under which circumstances? What do you have to offer? Will you be more of a liability than an asset? How do you weigh your personal safety and wellbeing or those of your family and friends against the country or world? What do your prospects look like in whatever country you choose to flee to?
I have thought about emigrating after I get my bachelor’s, but I don’t think I will.
My family has been here for generations. Why should I have to leave when the reactionaries are the ones that suck? Besides, where would I go? Ultimately, nowhere can guarantee safety from the rise of authoritarianism and climate change.
Canada and Scandinavia will probably weather climate change alright, but they’ll have instability on their doorstep, especially if mass migration becomes a thing. Iceland? New Zealand? Switzerland? Probably all decent choices, to be honest.
I could also become a mountain man out a remote northern wilderness, living as self-sufficiently as possible while working remotely via satellite internet. Or, I could stay where I am and try and do as much good as possible, whatever that looks like.
America will bring down the entire western world. There is no option but to fight.
Is the “Western world” even worth fighting for? Who is included in it? More importantly, who is excluded?
To me, nationality is just a roll of the dice. You shouldn’t have to stay somewhere just because you were born there. You wanna leave? By all means, go have your life’s adventure.
And immigration should be widely supported in terms of higher ethical standards. Countries who make it difficult for people seeking to find a comfortable place to live is more immoral than a person seeking a new home.
I’m just so grateful that so many great scientists fled nazi germany. Also that those who stayed behind (this is controversial and not known for sure) hindered and delayed Germany’s nuclear weapons program.
Generally, I feel like it depends on how viable it seems to fix. Is this the same issue that people marched about 50+ years ago?
Specific elephant in the room, what possible fix within 2-4 decades is there when the right has most of the keys including a stacked supreme court?
Personally, I can’t really fight or leave. I am nowhere close to anything politically relevant… I have no transportation, income, or ID/passport etc. I am a shut-in with untreated health issues. I’m just letting the days go by.
I would flee if I could. Its not like the current stuff came and it was like hey im going to start fighting. We have been trying to change course and despite this its been going in the wrong direction. I mean will fight to the last but if my back was not against a wall I would be gone.
I mean, there are examples of people who defected from Nazi Germany to the Soviet Union (and other places too) before and during the war. Good general rule is that the earlier they did the easier a time they had of it overall.
stay. you will feel like shit when things go down and you are on the other side of the world doing nothing. it’s pussy shit.
It’s pussy shit, sure, but you only get one life. You don’t get another chance. You may feel like shit for leaving, but you’re alive and not in a prison. Which, if you ask me, I’d rather feel bad than be dead.
The original post did not mention fear of political persecution. I think that’s a different situation.
Eventually you’ll run out of places to run to.
Brb, inventing a parallel universe portal
It’s a paradox – for the individual it’s better to leave, but migration en masse would be unsustainable both for the source country and for the recipient country. You simply cannot fit the whole of a country like Somalia into a country like Denmark. This is why I personally am an advocate of foreign aid, and that includes political.
This is why I personally am an advocate of foreign aid
So um… EU, when y’all be funding the American Resistance? 👀
American Resistance? Just give Eggs pls. Thanks
Don’t run away unless it makes you stronger because of it. Once something has been gained, never yield it without a purpose or a strategy - even if that ends up being a bad decision it was at least yours to make.
It is a difficult endeavor to gain new ground; it is nigh impossible to fully recover that which has been lost.
After you have ceded all your land and yielded every advantage, where will you seek shelter and from what will you find strength?
