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What a disappointing series that was.
I liked the original Star Wars when I was like 10. I was older when the 2nd one came out and that was ok-ish. I was in my teens when the teddy bear Star Wars movie came out and I thought that was the dumbest fucking shit ever.
The cycle goes: Star Wars is for kids and when they grow up they’re going to hate the Star Wars their kids are watching. I’m old enough to have seen the entire cycle with the prequels.
And btw, The best trilogy is Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back, and The Last Jedi.
I watched all 9 again recently with my kid. I am barely old enough to be in the “hate the prequels” gang. All 3 trilogies are good and bad. But after watching again 7, 8, 9 get way too much hate. They aren’t great either. The funny part is, most people hate them for the wrong reasons. Palpatine returning makes sense if you pay attention while watching 3.
There probably is a whole generation that will despise andor and rogue one.
Rogue One was just boring. That was my only issue with it.
Palatine coming back makes sense with some of the themes from 3, but it really undermines everything about the original trilogy. Essentially, thr sequels take away anything and everything Luke ever did.
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Palpatine being back is probably one of the least egregious and on the nose things for the story. Rey being a Palpatine? Several fakouts for losing characters (chewy and c3p0), and the whole of 9 being sidequests up to the flashy ending, those are choices that seem wack.
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My inner grouch is still really bothered by the fact that the prequels became retroactively beloved through meme magic.
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I feel like with Boba Fett, the script was written about Cobb Vanth, the Marshal that had Boba Fett’s armor in Mandalorian. The story would’ve made sense if it was a guy trying to protect a small town from criminals.
But a big city with only a handful of people running things? A guy trying to build a criminal empire with a “just say no to drugs” policy? That shit doesn’t make any sense at all.
I never liked Rogue One because it was trying to be too serious while being full of plotholes. Why did Tarkin blow up his own base instead of the ship he knew had the Death Star plans on board? Oh right, because the writers wrote themselves into a corner and it’s so it’s an idiot plot.
So didn’t have much interest in watching Andor, a prequel to a prequel that I thought was poorly written trash.
And yeah the Reylo’s are the dumbest people imaginable. Kylo Ren tried to force his mind into Rey’s mind (which is suggestive of things) and people fantasize about them being together. It’s just people that have the attention span of a goldfish jumping on board dumb internet trends with considering how problematic they might be. Also the Twilight/50 Shades of Grey type bullshit going on there, but Star Wars movies are supposed to be viewable by children, it’s not a place for those kinds of fantasies FFS.
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This implies that the bar has nowhere to go but down, except that we know good Star Wars is capable of being produced. Andor is fucking phenomenal, hands down the best thing to have ever been spit out by Disney since they acquired the IP. It’s not a sure bet that time will erase the stains that the sequel trilogy have created on the Star Wars brand. The prequel trilogy may not be perfect, but it felt more like Star Wars than the sequel trilogy ever did.
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I really liked the movies JJ Abrams made and enjoyed Solo well enough.
To me the biggest problem is when they take themselves too seriously. Rogue One was trying to be Saving Private Ryan. Last Jedi was trying to be Citizen Kane. They seem like half-assed versions of better movies with the toys I played with as a kid in the mix so that prevents me from taking them seriously.
JJ Abrams made some fun movies that had some interesting things going on in the subtext. Which are the only ones besides the OT that did that.
I watched the OT as a kid… and then watched the Prequels as a few years older kid…
And I thought the prequels were inferior to the OT, and even to many OT/EU based video games that were released before or in the same timeframe as the prequels.
And then the Sequel trilogy was an utter trainwreck, along with pretty much most of the Disney+ shows.
Rogue One was decent?
Mando S1 and S2 were good (very obviously a serial spaghetti western type show, but executed well untill S3) Andor is great, everything else bad or so uninteresting I haven’t even bothered.
I hear that The Clone Wars animated series is good too.
Clone Wars is amazing. I feel like they’ve seen more screen time for me than the movies at this point. It’s an anthology series. I even enjoyed the last season even if it was mainly a setup for Bad Batch.
Rebels is good too, although very clearly for a young audience.
Who ever hated the original films?
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George Lucas is a genius merchandiser and fun-maker, and things like “cohesion” and “plot” are left for everyone else to figure out.
He was good at overarching plots which is why the prequels are solid in that regard, they got planned in advance. He falters when it comes to smaller plot moments that drive the characters and the audience to follow the overarching plot, the stunted dialog etc.
It used to be movies were movies and not treated like political causes. So saying something like “I though the Leia and Han scenes in the early parts of ESB were a little awkward” (my actual opinion) didn’t mean you were choosing to take a side against people that like ESB. I actually love ESB, but yeah there were some scenes are a bit awkward, and that’s fine, because it’s an action adventure move, so who cares?
So there was a distinction between criticizing parts of a movie and hating a movie. But now in the social media age, everything is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, and you group up with people with the same opinion as you.
Star Wars being a hugely popular thing attracts all kinds of algorithm brained people so there’s endless content about whatever thing being the best/worst thing ever about everything in Star Wars.
But in the end they’re just action adventure movies some are really good, some are terrible, and most of it is in between.
I do, they are fucking shit
The amount of slop disney puts out and the fans peddle and push into every damn game and internet space is making me slowly dislike them too.
Star wars is inescapable and it is exhausting.
Hate might be too strong of a word but I remember how 12-year-old-me found them hard to watch because their special effects looked dated in comparison to the prequels’.
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I don’t hate them, but I don’t think they are all that great tbh.
There’s quite a lot of reviews and comments from the time hating ESB (a muppet as a spiritual guide? Contrived twist!) and RotJ (too cheesy! Just an excuse to sell toys!).
I mean RotJ was an excuse to sell toys.
Yoda being a little green weirdo was meant to convey that anyone can be a Jedi. Just don’t tell TLJ fans… they think that’s something that wasn’t a thing in Star Wars before Rian Johnson came up with it from his own brilliant and creative mind.
“Jaws was never my scene and i don’t like star wars”
~ Freddie Mercury
Freddie was more of a Flash Gordon guy.
Damn, what a soundtrack!
Well yeah, he’ll save everyone of us!
BOOOWWWW BA BOWWW BOOWW
Flash!
Ahhhhhh-ahhh-AH!
More than I realized. As a kid, my favorite of the original trilogy was ROTJ. It had everything - an opening where the heroes got vengeance on a big slug, there was a dramatic-looking Death Star, speeder bikes, and force lightning.
My father told me (years later), how much some folks hated it for some of the same things. Rehashing the Death Star, Han accidentally killing Boba Fett (this hyped up bounty hunter that in the previous movie was clever and even mouthed off to Vader himself), Ewoks being cuddly teddy bears with janky traps, Leia being yet another Skywalker out of nowhere…basically, a lot of the same goofy shit people railed on George for in the prequels (myself included: since these conversations with my dad came up because I was a teenager complaining about Jar Jar, Yoda ping ponging around, etc.).
Later I saw that plenty of folks complained about ESB being moodier, the “No, I am your father” being a twist out of nowhere and dramatically undermining Obi-Wan’s character by his being dishonest. Some of the same “canon-breaking” retcons that we all complain about today.
Granted…I still love ROTJ despite its flaws, and while I never enjoyed the prequels as much as a lot of folks, I find them endearing in an odd kind of way. The Sequel Trilogy less so, but there’s a few bright spots.
Basically, I wonder what the reception of the movies would have been if we had the internet then, and especially if we had engagement-based algorithms driving things, which does such a great job of amplifying hate.
No movie ruined the themes of Star Wars as much as ESB. Every important person being a Skywalker or a Palpatine turns Luke into plot royalty, and takes away his specialness as an everyman hero.
“I want to learn the ways of the force and become a Jedi like my father”
It was established in the first one that Luke’s father was a powerful Jedi. I guess you didn’t pay attention.
And yeah all of those important characters like Obi Wan Skywalker, Yoda Skywalker, Han Palpatine, Finn Palpatine, Poe Skywalker, LOL.
Luke’s father in 4 wasn’t important to the plot. He wasn’t even named. If a character in a movie doesn’t get a name, they’re not important. Luke’s father had the kind of abstract importance that matters to characters but not to the audience.
I think you’re not all the familiar with the movie. The Light Saber Obi Wan gives Luke is stated to be his father’s. Obi Wan talks about Luke’s father. Luke mentions wanting to be like his Father in a pivotal moment.
In movies you don’t devote a scene to discussing a character’s father and you don’t mention the character’s father in a pivotal scene if the character’s father isn’t important. It’s also mentioned that Luke’s father was a great pilot and later we see Luke piloting a fighter.
Yeah RotJ was Lucas made Star Wars into a franchise devoted to toy sales. Bringing in other writers and directors to take over was the smart move, it’s what he did for ESB and it resulted in a great movie. But because of his petty spat with the Director’s Guild, he decided to get a non-union directo for RotJ but basically directed it himself.
Then he announced the Prequel Trilogy on the day he got a good toy deal with Hasbro.
I feel like George Lucas felt like he compromised with the studios too much on the first one, didn’t think it would be a success. But it ended up being the most successful movie ever, and he didn’t understand why. So he didn’t really give a shit about it and just used it to make money, and didn’t make any real effort on the movies after the first one.
I don’t like them, even though I’ve tried to like them by watching them multiple times.
Having said that, I honestly think rouge one is a solid movie, and ironically that’s the least star wars movie from all the series.
The difference between the prequels and the sequels is that while a bit cheesy and having some cringe/dogshit dialogue in places the prequels have a solid storyline an arc.
The sequels are just shit with only the Last Jedi trying to do anything, then when they made episode 9 they tried to backpedal and made a completely unwatchable piece of shit that makes no sense
Fight choreography for the prequels saves it a lot.
Revenge of the Sith has the best and most gratuitous action in the entire mainline series.
I also argue the world building alone makes them worth it. While the dialogue and plot had some issues, all the new worlds/aliens/the actual sith/etc. heralded in a new age for star wars.
The world in the sequel trilogy is so small in comparison to either of the other trilogys.
The dance fighting where they’re not even trying to score a hit on each other.
So true!
And I’ll also grant that the emperor’s guard fight and the force projection fight both count to redeem the sequels, a bit.
No. The emperor’s guard fight was absolute garbage.
I hated TLJ. I grew up on the OG and saw the awful prequels in theatres despite knowing they were bad.
Too much bad writing. Too many plot holes. Too many monumental changes to how the universe works.
What did Last Jedi actually do?
I always feel like I saw a different movie than everyone else, both the people that liked it and the people that disliked it. What I saw was the plotlines of both ESB and ROTJ thrown into a blender, with the entire point of those plotlines removed. There was absolutely nothing in that movie that was original. It was the most misogynistic movie in all of Star Wars, Rey doesn’t actually do anything, so I don’t know why the incels hate it. I felt like Disney gave in to those idiots and relegated Rey to a support role in that movie.
Sure they probably tried to cram in too much action adventure into RoS to compensate for the fact that TLJ had no meaningful action in it. Or do you think they backpedalled by making Rey the main character again? That was obviously the intent at the end of TFA, so it was TLJ that screwed that up by making women at best an afterthought and at worst an obstacle for the men to overcome. Most misogynistic portrayal of women in Star Wars, they had to do a big marketing campaign to convince everyone the women in the movie were strong before it was released. I guess it worked.
it was TLJ that screwed that up by making women at best an afterthought and at worst an obstacle for the men to overcome.
TLJ introduced Rose and had her go on a mission, the next one had her stay back at base and operate a radio off-screen.
Still beat GoT marginally :)
Also bringing you hits like: “Somehow, Palpatine returned…” and “Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?”
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The entire “love story” between Anakin and Padme is barf worthy
Star Wars has never been “good”. It’s just always been entertaining. Luke is absolutely insufferable the the OT movies. He whines non-stop in ANH and Empire, and then he comes back in ROTJ as some snobby holier-than-thou prick. We just love Star Wars because it meant something to use when we were kids.
Don’t forget, “if you don’t play Fortnite, you’re going to miss important exposition”.
I’m going to need some help with this one…
Long story short, before rise of Skywalker there was a Fortnite event that featured emperor Palpatine sending a message to the universe that he was back. It never happened in the movies. Rise of Skywalker’s opening scrolling text talks about this message from Palpatine. It was all just a crummy afterthought.
This means episode 9 really is “made X from fortnite real”. It’s a 2 hour addition to a fortnite event. It makes so much sense now! crazed laughter
I would have been more forgiving if it were just a part of the Fortnite event.
Shit gets cut from movies all the time. No reason to be upset.
Nobody’s upset here buddy.
I’m not your buddy, friend.
Me too.
Wait, did Palpatine canonically escape the Fortnite dimension?
Like… that’s the ‘somehow he returned?’
Fortnite is in Star Wars. They just haven’t been to that planet yet in the show.
Can’t wait to see Rey discover the remains of an ancient battlebus.
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Lol I forgot about that
I always wonder if it would have been awesome if the last Jedi ended with this instead of it popping up in Fortnite. Maybe it wouldn’t have felt like a stupid afterthought. Though clearly that’s what it was.
“They fly now?”
They fucking always have. I hated this specific line so much, completely separate from other reasons to dislike 9.
Force healing and Disney kiss of resurrection
You get all the adults now who like the prequels even though they’re terrible because it’s what they grew up with, so of course that means now we’re getting a generation for whom the Rey trilogy is their Star Wars.
You saying, Ep. 3 is bad?
Incorrect. All you get now are people bitching about every Star wars series regardless of the one they choose to bitch about.
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The lore was terrible. Anakin Skywalker is the biggest Mary Sue of all time. Lucas thought it would be more emotional to show a child being taken away from his mother, so suddenly the Jedi go around the galaxy doing blood tests and taking children from their mothers. In the next one, he wanted a Romeo and Juliet plotline so suddenly the Jedi are celibate monks.
Because there was criticism after Episode I about Naboo being a monarchy, Lucas made it so Naboo elected 15 year old children to run their planet. That’s some great world building!
Padme went from have a successful career of running a planet (at 15 years old) to being a Senator, but decides to become a tradwife because I guess she was impressed by Anakin’s pro-fascist veiws and how he massacred a bunch of people?
The Jedi went from being knights the were guardians of peace and justice to a fucked up cult that abducts children to train them to fight in some holy war. Not too different from the First Order in the ST, because that kind of shit is what villains do.
The Prequels didn’t explain shit about what was going on, there was a Trade Federation that was blockading trade, then there was separatist group that for some reason the Republic wouldn’t just let separate. Better clone up some more slaves to send into the meatgrinder to destroy these separatists!
The Jedi and the Republic actually were evil when you think about implications of indoctrinating children to fight in holy wars and using clones that had no choice other than to be cannon fodder in whatever war they’re told to fight in. But those are things you’re just not supposed to think about because it’s a children’s movie… but with a school massacre.
The Prequels were accidentally pro-fascist movies. The Sequel Trilogy (at least the ones made by JJ Abrams) actually went into the emotional reasons why people are drawn to fascism (which is way more relevant to the audience than fictional politcal machinations) and has the main character reject it. The message that fascism is bad and should be opposed wasn’t received all that well by people that grew up thinking indoctrinating children was something the good guys do. It bothered people that there was a message that ancestry doesn’t determine who you are. It bothered people that there was a massive proliferation of super weapons in Star Wars paralleling the proliferation of nuclear weapons in our world.
The Sequel Trilogy brought up many things that are uncomfortable to think about and Prequel fans were upset by them. It was better when Star Wars was about cool clone troopers (slaves) being led into battle by the cool “sky guy” (who committed genocide) fighting the “bad guys” because they don’t like the awesome religious cult that indoctrinates children to fight in wars! That’s what Star Wars is supposed to be!
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The EU material was beautiful steak, and then they let RJ and JJ slop em up. I mean it was fun watching Luke die himself to death at Maskopher, but at the same time you know what he could have done? Something like how how in rotj yoda dies by too many questions? and then yoda sits there as a force ghost and says “ha! see how now it feels you do hoo hoo hoo hoo” and then scampers off into the force aether like a gremlin. that’s what they should have done.i mean i guess it’s easy to backseat editing room now, but pretty much anything feels better.
The Last Jedi was super cool though. It was truly the last Jedi i ever saw, well the last Star Wars content basically.
It was a Star Wars movie for wet blankets. No fun allowed in this action adventure movie!
I had way more fun watching the last jedi over the other two, by a long mile.
It was alright. A nice onramp back into the series, but mostly just a nostalgic beat for beat recreation of A New Hope for the 2010s. I remember the hype was real, but without a solid plan for the sequel trilogy neither movie in it is really worth ever revisiting. But there’s still some good Star Wars content. Rogue One and The Mandalorian are well worth watching. I haven’t seen Andor or Skeleton Crew, but people seem to like them.
I think you’ve mistaken the last jedi for the force awakens
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Altogether the three equals less than one whole good film. They get close with the first two but the third is inexcusable. I counted: there are less than 5 shots that last for more than 15 seconds before a hard cut, even if it’s still in the same scene (I counted but also barely cared; I was just trying stay awake)
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How do you go into making a multi billion dollar franchise extending trilogy and have absolutely no plan for how your trilogy should play out?
I hate it when child versions of a character have the exact same hairstyle.
It’s cinematography shorthand to help the audience understand they’re the same person without exposition.
Otherwise half the theater would be whispering to the other half, “Who was that kid they kept showing earlier?”
Remember that half of the population is below 100 IQ and producers want them to buy tickets.
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you think most people know what a standard deviation is?
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Both of our statements are true. Yours focuses on the fact that most people are average ish.
If you want to fence about it though, my point is that most people are too dumb to not be force fed auch tropes.
Call me elitist if you’d like. I don’t dislike people like that. I just understand that producers need to cater to them.
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I don’t know what conversation you’re trying to have but it has nothing to do with mine.
Awful series of movies, watched them once and that was enough for me
Agreed and same. Only way people got me to watch it again was commentary folks ripping on it for being so bad.
