Sorry guys, this one’s locked now. Y’all need to grow the fuck up.
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I also have no real dog in the fight, I grew up with the word being slung around with casual ease, and honestly it still is in most places, despite a lot of what the sensitive younger generation might be seeing in their own spaces, the culture between “average people” would seem highly problematic to most activist-minded individuals.
I have curbed my use, but I’m not going to attack people who say it to criticize power or insult someone who truly deserves it. This is one of those lefty “purity tests” that I can’t connect with fully, so I know average moderates will be wildly pushed away from this kind of mindless scolding, so I also don’t make it an issue. I literally do not care.
Now all that said, I think we need to collectively LAY WASTE to Rogan and all he stands for. His delight in being able to say a slur again is the most crass, stupid, R-word statement that he’s made yet, and he deserves to suffer as much as the people with intellectual disabilities who are going to be bullied and harmed because of his cavalier and inept attitude towards language and logic.
Guys, it’s okay to not be totally consistent. It’s okay to condemn Rogan for saying this and you aren’t going to be judged. Seriously, get on that soap box and knock this ape down a peg.
I grew up in the same culture acceptance of these terms, but I’ve grown to think of it like this. If I wouldn’t say it to the group of people it’s describing, using it to describe other people carries the same meaning.
You can’t separate the term from the group of people it’s offending. So using it as an insult reinforces it’s meaning and acknowledging why it’s offensive. So it’s equally wrong.
It’s the same reason I don’t say the n-word or why I wouldn’t use the derogatory terms used for trans people even in a joke.
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What a mong.
Fun fact! ‘Mong’ is an abbreviation of ‘mongoloid’, a term used as a slur for people with Down’s Syndrome. The fun part is that the reason for the term being used is quite clever! Those with Down’s Syndrome have a usually noticeable difference in their facial structure, with a wide, flatter face and smaller eyes. Features that are rarely found elsewhere, first discovered in natives of the country Mongolia!
damn I wonder which white guy discovered those features in the Mongol population, crazy that they all missed them
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Ironically, this comment supports Rogan’s point. Shaming people for using a particular word is pointless, because the word is just a word. The insult is being called mentally handicapped, regardless of the actual word used. The argument against using the word was to remove the stigma against people with mental disabilities - but people will just come up with a new word. If you are insulting Rogan by insinuating that it is bad to be mentally handicapped, then you are perpetuating that stigma regardless of the particular word.
Woah, you just blew my retarded mind
Joe Rogan identifies as a South Park character: offensive and two-dimensional
Can all newspapers, when writing about Rogan, now use the term “Noted r-word, Joe Rogan…”
Divorced middle aged dad energy
It never left. Using it still makes you look like an asshole.
All these “free speech absolutists” still don’t realize that free speech does not mean immunity from consequences of that speech from your fellow citizens. It’s almost like they just haven’t paid attention for their entire lives.
I do not care about the word or what language people use broadly, as long as they’re using their “offensive words” to punch up.
If you’re punching up, if you’re attacking power, I do NOT care and genuinely wish people would pull the gloves off more. But Joe Rogan IS power, he is so high up that anywhere he punches is down. People with great power who use language recklessly need to be knocked down for abusing the power behind their language.
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What about the word is offensive?
Is it just as offensive as calling someone stupid, moronic, dumb, or an idiot?
Is it that insulting someone’s intelligence is inherently offensive? Or is it just that it’s one of the most recent to become medically obsolete?
i can only speak for my experience. growing up autistic, i was targeted due to my different ways of thinking and acting for bullying, using the r-word to belittle and demean me, far too many times, for hearing it used to mean ‘bad’ to feel like anything but an attack on me or those like me. when someone uses the r-word casually, it hurts, and a fully automatic system, borne of hard experience, files that person away as a probable threat. i don’t understand why people want to use the word so badly, knowing it hurts people, and knowing it’s not necessary or even all that useful of a word.
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Not trying to be an ass here, just genuinely curious, the words “idiot” or “moron” or “imbecile” which were also in the same diagnostic tools as “retarded” so what makes them different?
I have seen earnest attempts at starting movements to abolish these words as well, (and usually at that point a lot of people start tuning the conversation out,) so I’m wondering where people’s feelings are on the broader topic or if it’s the use of the singular word and how it’s used that bothers people the most.
I think, though I could be wrong, that when many of us were growing up, the words “idiot” and “moron” had already shifted meaning. So we learned them without the connotation of mental capacity and disabled people. But “retarded” still meant both things.
But calling someone an idiot is explicitly insulting their intelligence just the same.
I mean, their position falls apart when you ask them what they think about the college students being oppressed for protesting.
They do not care about free speech. They care about experiencing social consequences when using hate speech.
Yes. And it’s just hypocrisy all the way down: otherwise, as you say, we wouldn’t hear anything negative about the left exercising right to protest.
On top of r/conservative is a post about “the algorithm” flooding someone’s feed with news about US protests. Of course, the response wasn’t “hey great! Look at all those people exercising their right to free speech!”. Instead, it’s just bitching and claims of fake news (and no understanding that there really may be significant protests right now – just automatically, they must be false). There is no logic for people who can no longer discern facts from opinions.
Lol, I’ll never understand these people. The word “retard” was never gone. At no point was it illegal or impossible to say it, similar to any other word. The worst consequence for saying something that’s bound to piss people off is just that, pissed off people. You never faced jail time and I can’t think of anyone “canceled” for it.
The word “re----” was
The gusp I gasped was so intense that I broke the pearls I was clutching.
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They want to drop the hard R with zero blowback.
Ain’t no-one calling me ginger and getting away with it!
Unless they have a tinge of the ginge in their fringe.
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We all know they have no souls. It’s not like they’re real people anyways.
Unfortunately for them they don’t get to control how others feel about it. They’re free to say it at any time though. All the redneck cowards I live near use it all the time, when no black people are around.
Racists and cowards. Lovely.
You should hear the ways they justify it when pressed. “You don’t have to be black to be a …”, “not all black folks are one, but this one is.”, “why do you care, you’re not black.”, etc.
They’re usually one and the same. You don’t come to hate entire races of people out of logical thinking.
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I’ve had a bad habit of using the word and every time I do I feel like an asshole, attaching Rogans name to it is an excellent deterrent mnemonic device.
Just call them Rogans from now on
you might say it’s an excellent retardant in your impulse to say the word
You could say that, but the goal is NOT to demonstrate being a worthless sack of dogshit who deserves a public hanging.
Well in that case I hope those public hangings will be swift and not retarded by any mishaps.
Edgelorde
Idiot! Imbecile! Moron!!
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They’re obsolete in original meaning. I came across these words in the film Stupidity. It’s a bit dated, from 2003. I think there is a copy on youtube.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_(film)
The film questions “why stupidity is such a slippery concept to grasp and why so few people are talking about it.”
What’s interesting about those is that they were originally medical terms (which I’m guessing @lemmy689@lemmy.sdf.org knows). But, for those who don’t:
Moron was coined by a psychologist in 1910. He tried to make it fancy by using an ancient greek word “moros” which meant “dull”. It wasn’t an insult, it was meant to be a clinical term “used to describe a person with a mental age in adulthood of between 7 and 10 on the Binet scale.”
Imbecile “originally referred to people of the second order in a former and discarded classification of intellectual disability, with a mental age of three to seven years and an IQ of 25–50”.
Idiot “was formerly a technical term in legal and psychiatric contexts for some kinds of profound intellectual disability where the mental age is two years or less”.
Then they became used in popular culture just to insult someone or describe someone who was stupid. Even their order changed. I’d say “Idiot” is the least insulting now, but used to be considered the most developmentally challenged.
In any case, “retard” also started as a clinical term, actually meant to replace idiot, imbecile and moron because they had become too widely used by the public and seen as insulting. Handicapped and disabled replaced retard when it was seen as too insulting. Then things moved on to “differently abled” or “challenged”. It’s been called the euphemism treadmill.
In the end, saying “retarded” was never illegal, at least in the US. It was just seen as crude. That hasn’t changed. It’s just that people who worried that being seen as crude might hold them back no longer think they have to worry.
They’re talked about in this film
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_(film)
Stupidity is a 2003 Canadian satirical documentary film directed by Albert Nerenberg
I think theres a copy on youtube.
This man is nearly sixty years old
Wonder how long he would think this if everyone just started introducing him as “The Retard, Joe Rogan.” I’d bet the very millisecond it started to affect him personally, he’d be changing his tune. These fucking ghouls don’t want freedom of speech, they want the ability to police OUR speech.
What did ghouls ever do to you?
It’s only when they go feral that they’re a problem.
Isn’t that how people already refer to him?
He deserves much worse words tbh
That’s retarded
