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davel@lemmy.ml to Privacy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 months ago

JWZ weighs in on Signal again

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JWZ weighs in on Signal again

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davel@lemmy.ml to Privacy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 months ago
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Because of the ongoing fucktastrophe, the cries of "Use SIGNAL!" are constant and unavoidable. And I get it, it may be the least-bad option in a sea of terrible options. If, that is, you choose to ignore the advice of "don't use your phone for that shit" (the Stringer Bell Rule). But out of curiosity, because I haven't been keeping up, has the Signal Corporation addressed: The fact that they ...

JWZ previously:

  • https://www.jwz.org/blog/2018/08/signal/
  • https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/

See also: Why not Signal?

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      It’s like a politician, “Look how bad the others are” and then not proposing anything better (because at this moment, there isn’t).

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      I sure don’t know. SimpleX is suggested, among others: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/why_not_signal.html#good-alternatives

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        Could you explain/elaborate to a know-nothing (me) on the following from your link?:

        Caveats of federation: Metadata leaking

        When using federation, Matrix’s room states (containing a lot of Metadata) get replicated and stored indefinitely on every homeserver any user connects with or connects to. While this is a feature for enabling distributed chat rooms, it comes at a serious privacy cost.

        To avoid this, you can either disable federation, or make sure that your users signed up with no linkable identifiers other than their user names.

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          The author of that essay (@dessalines@lemmy.ml) is one of the main devs of lemmy, so you’re asking in the right place lmao

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            How…do you think chat systems with storage are supposed to work? They store data. In a database

            What specific fields are shared by matrix but not xmpp?

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          I’ve never looked into how Matrix works at all, so I can’t really speak to that.

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          It is still in early stages but the bones are good.

          I would not advise for people who expect shit to just work.

          Maybe next year. A lot of progress since last time I tried it.

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      • matrix if you want cloud storage for conversations
      • jami or briar if you’re okay with p2p
      • simplex for the most secure cryptography and “just works” better than p2p
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        Why do you claim simplex has the “most secure” crypto? Why is it more secure than the standard double ratchet everyone else uses?

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          it is using double ratchet but heres the most recent tob. the fact that they use distributed self hostable relays and no user identifiers is more secure imo

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        Last time I tried SimpleX, you had to scan a QR code to go from Desktop to mobile and vice versa, any chance of them changing that? Otherwise it did look promising.

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          yeah you can only use one device at a time because simplex doesn’t have accounts, just devices. but you can make another account per device and add them to your chats

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            Wowww that’s bad design

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              yeah it’s annoying, but they’re pretty committed to the no user id thing

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      Conversations is very simple

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