I think it more comes down to the fact that if you live in a rural area, you have to have a very independent and individualistic mindset because you are so far away from things that you have to do most things yourself. This leads to a less collectivist mindset. Your main hub of society tends to be the nearest church, which is where you see the other people living nearby. Or maybe the bass pro shop or waffle house if you are near enough to one of those.
When you live in a city, you are about as deep in society as you can get, and you can quickly understand why we need to help each other because you see the results of not doing that all around you (mental illness, drug addicition, homelessness, etc.).
It’s not that one is right and the other wrong, it’s that they are life viewed from fundamentally different perspectives and needs.
Yes, but not one run by the government. It is the form of collectivism that rural people see and most conspicuously use, and hence why they don’t see the need for governments
A very generous reading. I think they couldn’t care less if government is needed, unless it helps them, in which it’s certainly desperately needed. Paying for a minority to get a benefit is their worse enemy though. It’s all about selfishness.
In which case, when it comes to big-city federal tax dollars paying for pork-barrel infrastructure (dams, highways, etc.) and health facilities, and disaster-relief in their little communities, most of those dollars come from city workers. THEY’re not the ones paying for minorities to get a benefit … it’s the minorities!
Without Blue states, Red states would be stuck with the taxes their people are willing to pay.
Barring extreme poverty limiting your freedom of movement, I would assume people who wanted to leave rural areas to live in a city would do so. It happens quite frequently.
People in rural areas are usually poor. I would know, I left one to escape poverty. But I’m lucky I could. Almost everyone else in my family stayed for a variety of reasons and none of it is as simple as “they don’t like people”.
Yes, but not one run by the government. It is the form of collectivism that rural people see and most conspicuously use, and hence why they don’t see the need for governments
Moving from the government to the church is really just moving from one giant organization to the other in a lot of ways. But yes, it’s outside of government so I guess you could say it counts.
Yep, cities are great because there’s almost always someone you can call on to get problems dealt with almost immediately. Police, fire, utilities, landlords, homeless shelters, therapists, hospitals, exterminators etc etc
In the country you simply don’t have that. Churches are basically community centers. The govt doesn’t have a huge role so country people are okay with smaller government. Cities can’t imagine life with a smaller government because they rely on it in tons of ways to keep society functioning
Many people in cities think something like owning a gun without the intent to commit a crime is insane because they can call the cops.
Many people in the country think not having a gun around for emergencies is insane because any first responder is 15-40 minutes away, and until then you and your neighbors are it
Like you said it’s not so much right vs left but city vs rural mindsets
Let’s not think of all the infrastructure to get what they sell to the people who buy it or that gets the stuff you buy to you. And if your response is, “Well, that’s only 100 miles to the nearest store/city/hospital,” that completely ignores how the stuff got there so you could pick it up.
Unless your lifestyle is such that you only have to buy or sell things a few times per year to survive, you’re relying on that national/global infrastructure to enjoy your rugged, individualistic lifestyle.
I think it more comes down to the fact that if you live in a rural area, you have to have a very independent and individualistic mindset because you are so far away from things that you have to do most things yourself. This leads to a less collectivist mindset. Your main hub of society tends to be the nearest church, which is where you see the other people living nearby. Or maybe the bass pro shop or waffle house if you are near enough to one of those.
When you live in a city, you are about as deep in society as you can get, and you can quickly understand why we need to help each other because you see the results of not doing that all around you (mental illness, drug addicition, homelessness, etc.).
It’s not that one is right and the other wrong, it’s that they are life viewed from fundamentally different perspectives and needs.
And yet church is a collectivist society. Even says so in the Gospels and when done properly, churches take care of each other in their societies.
Yes, but not one run by the government. It is the form of collectivism that rural people see and most conspicuously use, and hence why they don’t see the need for governments
A very generous reading. I think they couldn’t care less if government is needed, unless it helps them, in which it’s certainly desperately needed. Paying for a minority to get a benefit is their worse enemy though. It’s all about selfishness.
In which case, when it comes to big-city federal tax dollars paying for pork-barrel infrastructure (dams, highways, etc.) and health facilities, and disaster-relief in their little communities, most of those dollars come from city workers. THEY’re not the ones paying for minorities to get a benefit … it’s the minorities!
Without Blue states, Red states would be stuck with the taxes their people are willing to pay.
Well it shouldn’t be surprising that someone who lives far away from everyone else doesn’t care much for other people.
Why would that be? You say that like everyone actively chooses where they’ll be born.
Barring extreme poverty limiting your freedom of movement, I would assume people who wanted to leave rural areas to live in a city would do so. It happens quite frequently.
People in rural areas are usually poor. I would know, I left one to escape poverty. But I’m lucky I could. Almost everyone else in my family stayed for a variety of reasons and none of it is as simple as “they don’t like people”.
Well yes I agree “given the choice” should be the caveat here.
in other words, anarchism
Moving from the government to the church is really just moving from one giant organization to the other in a lot of ways. But yes, it’s outside of government so I guess you could say it counts.
Yep, cities are great because there’s almost always someone you can call on to get problems dealt with almost immediately. Police, fire, utilities, landlords, homeless shelters, therapists, hospitals, exterminators etc etc
In the country you simply don’t have that. Churches are basically community centers. The govt doesn’t have a huge role so country people are okay with smaller government. Cities can’t imagine life with a smaller government because they rely on it in tons of ways to keep society functioning
Many people in cities think something like owning a gun without the intent to commit a crime is insane because they can call the cops.
Many people in the country think not having a gun around for emergencies is insane because any first responder is 15-40 minutes away, and until then you and your neighbors are it
Like you said it’s not so much right vs left but city vs rural mindsets
Let’s not think of all the infrastructure to get what they sell to the people who buy it or that gets the stuff you buy to you. And if your response is, “Well, that’s only 100 miles to the nearest store/city/hospital,” that completely ignores how the stuff got there so you could pick it up.
Unless your lifestyle is such that you only have to buy or sell things a few times per year to survive, you’re relying on that national/global infrastructure to enjoy your rugged, individualistic lifestyle.