Apparently I’m now a shitlib for not buying into this disgusting tankie propaganda that it was all the Wests fault and Stalin had to ally with Hitler.

For a mod who loves to ban others for bad jacketing, they sure have no problem doing it to other anarchists.

The Ban:

The Context:

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      “I’m not racist because Islam isn’t a race”

      Not to shine too bright a light on this, but you kinda have a habit of finding a single sentence that out-of-context supports your position and then jumping the gun by citing it. Did you read the immediately previous sentence, where they provide that quote as a clarification of their pro-palestine position and then go on to repeatedly defend Palestinian lives and decry the actions of Israel despite their (Palestinian) religion’s general stance on the LGBTQ+ or other political and social issues? Here:

      You don’t label a civilian death as a hate crime just because they’re a certain race or gender. So no you’re statement is blatantly false.

      Honestly I don’t know how well I’d get along with SupraMario (they were pretty islamaphobic a year ago and don’t seem to know what anarchists actually espouse) - but this is beside that issue: it’s aggravating as heck to see these comments. You’re clearly intelligent, but you’re just too eager to respond and it keeps making you look foolish. If you’d just slow down a little and get the context in which things are said, you’d be a much more persuasive advocate for your beliefs.

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        I’m not an Islamaphobic, I’m just not naive to think that Islam isn’t less violent than other religions. I can support the people trapped under its weight, while still denouncing the religion…hell I feel that way against most religions because of how oppressive they are. This doesn’t make me somehow a religious-phobic of one religion, I just don’t like that people are naive of said religion because it’s being currently at war with itself and anyone that doesn’t agree with it, and tons of innocent people are dying under it. It doesn’t give it a pass.

        The Christian right is doing the same shit, sans the beheadings and stonings of women and LGBTQ+, here in the USA with removal of LGBTQ+/womens rights, and everyone is in agreement that it’s fucked up…yet the same people will defend islam???

        Please make that make sense.

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          I should say that after a review of your post history I’m quite sure we’d get along, I really only included that as an allusion to magnanimity. Religion is a difficult topic, all too often the discussion of any major trend amongst it is rebutted with specific examples of contrary behavior from a subset of the group. Maddening.

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        the original comment they responded to in that thread was this:

        Israel is probably the nr. 1 murderer of trans people in the world right now. Get your priorities straight.

        moving the goal posts to ‘hate crime’ doesn’t change that point.

        ‘Israel’ and its US accomplices are the #1 murderer of trans people in the world right now, statistically speaking, even if it is indirect.

        SupraMario can say that that israel ‘sucks’, but then redirecting to ‘but hamas,’ or ‘Islam in general bad’ doesn’t bolster that position. Maybe they actually don’t like seeing US taxes get turned into dead children, but considering how strongly they feel that the west is best I’m not holding out hope.

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          moving the goal posts to ‘hate crime’ doesn’t change that point.

          This is like saying that Ukraine is slaughtering LGBTQ+ people because they’ve killed nearly 1/2 a million russian soldiers. You don’t label a civilian death as a hate crime just because they’re a certain race or gender.

          They are not claiming that there must be a hate crime for something to be valid, just that the initial comparison is inherently foolish, and they are elaborating their position by using hate crimes as an example. It’s a passable application of reductio ad absurdum.


          SupraMario can say that that israel ‘sucks’, but then redirecting to ‘but hamas,’ or ‘Islam in general bad’ doesn’t bolster that position.

          What Israel is doing is fucked, we should have stopped funding their damn military decades ago. What hamas and other jihadist are doing to people (women and LGBT persons mainly) in the middle east is also fucked. Both things can be true.

          They explicitly clarify that their position is the direct opposite of what you’re presenting it as.


          You’re doing it again, Diva.

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            You’re doing it again, Diva.

            doing what? they do the same to me every time they roll up to call me a tankie.

            the point was that the US and its Israeli proxy have the most dead trans people on their hands right now due to killing civilians indescriminately.

            I don’t see what the comparison to Russian soldiers gets you in that quote, you realize that a war is different from a genocide of a captive population, right?

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              The initial premise is that there’s been many trans deaths in Gaza. This is undeniable - that’s just statistics. According to Hamas, there’s been about 65,000 deaths in the genocide thus far. So it holds that there have been a horrifyingly large number of trans Palestinians killed.

              The new premise as presented by SupraMario is that this is not the most deaths of trans people due to a conflict in the world right now, due to the war in Ukraine. The best count of confirmed deaths for Russian soldiers in Ukraine is around 80,000 (it is likely much higher, as their casualties are about 10x that number - but this is a very conservative measurement using only russian figures). By the same assumption as above, many of those 80,000 dead were trans. That’s just statistics.

              80,000 is larger that 65,000

              I’m not sure how the political situation leading to someone’s death changes their gender orientation.

              I’m sorry, I don’t really know what to say beyond that. It’s pretty self explanatory.


              doing what?

              You’re seizing sentences entirely without care for the context and presenting them as evidence for your position. It reflects badly on your commitment to a good faith discussion, as it keeps happening, and has been repeatedly demonstrated.

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                there’s been about 65,000 deaths in the genocide thus far

                That’s the amount they’ve been able to confirm and count, not including all the indirect deaths caused by the enforced famine and widespread destruction of all civil infrastructure, it’s in the hundreds of thousands.

                it also feels like whataboutism, especially to have been bringing up military casualties in a peer conflict rather than a genocide of a captive population. Reducing them both ‘conflicts’ also kind of minimizes whats happening in Gaza.

                It reflects badly on your commitment to a good faith discussion,

                What good faith discussion? the one that started with people calling me a tankie?

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                  So Hamas, the government managing this, can’t be trusted to report on it’s own citizen’s deaths - but a 40-year-retired diplomat to japan is a credible source? (Btw no, that figure explicitly includes deaths by famine and related wartime deprivations. One second on google and you’d know that. Hamas are actually capable of counting the piles of their own dead children - they’ve had more than enough practice by now.)

                  And pointing out that a claim is, by their own logic, mathematically incorrect is not a whattaboutism. Come on.


                  Namecalling isn’t the discussion I was referring to, though I’ll grant that there’s many conversational threads in this post so keeping them straight is a royal pain…

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                    Btw no, that figure explicitly includes deaths by famine and related wartime deprivations.

                    of course it should, it’s a captive population being exterminated by the US and ‘Israel’

                    I honestly don’t know how you people can exist in the world and be posting stuff like that. it’s not a war, it’s a concentration camp being emptied of people


                    Namecalling isn’t the discussion I was referring to, though I’ll grant that there’s many conversational threads in this post so keeping them straight is a royal pain…

                    It’s what started this thread

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          Says the person literally doing a “but Ukraine, Nazis” so russia ok to kill and take over Ukraine.

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            I’m actually opposed to all inter-capitalist conflicts. Ukraine may have a bunch of Nazi gangs running wild, but I don’t think it’s ‘ok’ to invade. It just gets more people killed and the situation spirals out of anyone’s control. I can understand the rationale, but there’s also other motivations.

            got any more thoughts to share about anarchists, or maybe thoughts about NATO destroying Libya or US invading Iraq?

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                Nazi gangs running around killing people with no prosecution is bad; a brave take I know. Invading to ‘stop’ them is also bad.

                There’s plenty of reasons Russian capitalists go along with the invasion and it’s not because they’re opposed to nazis on principle.

                How is this difficult to understand?

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                  Nazi gangs running around killing people with no prosecution is bad; a brave take I know. Invading to ‘stop’ them is also bad.

                  There’s plenty of reasons Russian capitalists go along with the invasion and it’s not because they’re opposed to nazis on principle.

                  Fuckin tankies…none of this is fucking true at all. It’s an excuse to invade… Ukraine had/has a large population of Jewish people living there calling it home. There were no nazi roaming gangs killing people without prosecution. The fuck did you get this from “russian tankie today”?

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      Yea that makes me racists because I’m not a hamas supporter while also not supporting Israel? Lol try harder.

      Islam is a violent religion that doesn’t support LGBTQ+ rights or womens rights…those are facts.