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    If high speed rail becomes popular, all that stands between the current freedom and ID-required tickets and fingering by agents is one terrorist attack, staged or not.

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      What are you going to do with a hijacked train? The moment you hijack it they’ll just shutdown power. Hostages? Good luck there are like 30 carts on the train all of which have window break tools and emergency door open tools.

      Look at Germany or France. High speed trains are everywhere and there is no ID requirement beyond maybe a ticket check if you’re unlucky.

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        What are you going to do with a hijacked train? The moment you hijack it they’ll just shutdown power. Hostages? Good luck there are like 30 carts on the train all of which have window break tools and emergency door open tools.

        It has been done before …

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        Only for Eurostar and some other international trains you get some checks when boarding, especially since Brexit.

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          Ok. Thinking explosives. Where are high speed trains being attacked by explosives? I don’t hear much in Germany, France, China, or Japan.

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              Those are dense packed commuter trains from more than 20 years ago. Sort of the opposite of comfortable high speed long distance trains now days.

              If you search for “bomb train” you’ll get results but it might be worth looking deeper than the headline.

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                Those are dense packed commuter trains from more than 20 years ago

                So, even fucking worse when it comes to number of victims.

                If you search for “bomb train” you’ll get results

                I don’t need to search for it, it was all over the news for months.

                And yet, we got over it.

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                  We’re taking about high speed trains here. Independent of that, regarding attacks on commuter trains getting over it without American style tsa is a good thing.

          • Don’t jinx it.

            My point is once a terrorist attack happens, there will be TSA like checks for getting on high speed trains.

            My city (Mumbai) has seen multiple local train bombings so the newly built metro lines have baggage scanner at the entry.

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                  True (though the AVE also stops at Atocha, as it did back in 2004).

                  They also tend to carry more passengers, which means the number of victims was significantly larger than if it had been an AVE.

                  And yet, your prediction of a nine-eleven-like security theater didn’t come to pass. 🤷‍♂️

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                    I never predicted 9/11 security theater. That was someone else. I was saying the opposite. It isn’t needed and won’t happen.

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            Those countries arent full of Americans though. If a thing exists Americans will try to attack it.

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      We don’t even have that stuff on flights here (at least within Schengen). On my last 4 flights I had to show my ID once and the security check is just standing in the scanner thing for a second.

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        I never had actual cavity search but it varies within Shengen. Germany is the least pleasant, always some problem. Last time they insisted on searching a preschooler.

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      Has to harm billionaire asset to matter. Killing the rest of us is a game billionaires already enjoy and would applaud the Panem twist of a visiting team