As an American who grew up at a religious school in the 90s, we absolutely did not (or at least I never had access to one). Obviously places like Kora or Tibet have been effected in their history (I still want to read your answers 😁), but what about, for example, New Zealand? Or Sierra Leonne? Or Portugal? I’m just curious to see how pervasive the new Global Language already is by this point.
BonusQuestion: Is it mostly following their Belt-and-Road Initiative? Wouldn’t that be something?
Singapore - Mother Tongue is a compulsory subject to take up until Uni. Being classified as Chinese racially, I had to take Mandarin during my formative years - but I’m still not good at it lol
I feel you, I still feel like I barely know how to speak English 🙃
My high school in a semi rural part of the Southern US had a Chinese language class that you could choose to take for your foreign language credit back in the early 2010s. I think it’s a false premise to say that it’s not taught in the US, most kids just choose to take easier languages like German, French, or Spanish
I definitely should’ve worded the post better but yeah I didn’t mean to imply that it’s never taught in the states. Just that my personal experience in the system (also southern but urban) didn’t really give me any chances 😕 But honestly a large reason for that probably just came from my particular setting (I’m NOT typing that whole thing out again but in one of my reply threads I go into more detail on the weird things I grew up learning)
Yes my public high school had it as a language back in the late 1980s/early 90s. This would be New Jersey, USA.
Fair enough. Also thanks for not being one of the comments saying ‘they definitely exist in America how dare you’ 🙄 I could’ve worded it better but the goal of the post was to find edicational systems different than the one I personally went through, not to try to define all of America’s system in a few sentences. I put a fairly detailed description of that in one of my other replies if you’re curious but regardless, thanks for your time 🙂
yes, in France, in business schools, they definitely teach Chinese, as a choice, not mandatory.
I believe it is also possible to take Chinese classes during high school , again as a “3rd language option”, after English and /Spanish / German
Follow-up question: business schools? As in, specialization before high school graduation? I know there are a handful of ‘premier’ schools here in the states but most of them are expensive, exclusionary, and focused on simply getting INTO a better university (prep schools). Most of us just go through general public education which can vary wildly and you definitely do not (in most cases) get to choose between the “business” branch or the “engineering” branch
No, you are confusing “prep class”, which prepare to engineer/business school/university, with business school itself.
Business school is like a University , but private and expensive. It’s higher education (Master degree)
Ireland. I doubt any schools offer it as a curricular, but it is an exam subject. Generally the only people sitting the exam are Chinese native speakers who moved here.
Not in my school anyway. The languages taught here in Austria vary by school AFAIK, in my school everyone had to learn English, then depending on which branch we selected we could learn French, Italian, Spanish and/or Latin (but there was no path to combine French with Italian).
I looked it up and while it is possible for schools to choose other languages than these, Chinese doesn’t seem to be among them, so that could not be made a mandatory subject, probably could be taught as a non-graded elective though.
Chinese is not a global language. And it’s not likely to be in the future. It’s not the raw number of speakers what makes a global language but the number of non-native speakers.
That being said.
In my country, Spain, it is not taught at any level as mandatory, and not even as an option. Of you want to study chinese you have to go to do as an extracurricular thing.
Yeah, my main lesson I’ve learned here is to type the draft while high, but only press Send after I’ve come down 😅 I don’t think it is now or will be in our lifetimes, BUT I do think that if a universal human language were possible, it would be more beneficial to base it on a Tonal system than an Atonal one (sorry Esperanto). But that is just my opinion, feel free to disagree, and thank you for your input 😁
But why would a tonal system be beneficial?
Beneficial… beneficial… am I answering to an AI?
In Australia, my high school offers German and Chinese mandatory in y7-8 but optional afterwards.
Not gonna lie, I can understand the Mandarin since you are geographically neighborly, but the German is surprising. Was that just your high school?
Most high schools offer French and Japanese iirc.
The French education system require to study two foreign language among a long list, so why most people take English + German/Spanish/Italian some people take rare language like Chinese.
To my understanding rare and hard language like Chinese (or Russian) are also a way to be admitted to a better school/class than your local school, so it’s often used by rich kids who want to bypass their local public school and be affected to a good school/class
High school requires at least a second language class to graduate, I believe. Most people take French as it’s the “default” one that all schools offer, but my school also had Spanish, Mandarin, and Japanese, iirc. But that was decades ago.
Chinese will never be the official global language and I’ll give you 8,105 simplified reasons why…
I eagerly await lol
It’s a joke about their writing system
I kinda figured, but I also wanted to see if they had a follow-up prepared 😂
Of course plenty of American schools offer Chinese language courses. It’s odd that you assumed with total confidence that the opposite was true.
My school (UK, 1980s) offered Mandarin as an extracurricular course. I signed up, showed up… and was the only student. One-on-one classes the rest of the year :)
(Just don’t try grilling me in Mandarin now, though.)
There was a show on Nick Jr that taught me how to count to three in Chinese while my kids had snack time.
… how pervasive the new Global Language already is …
I’m going to challenge you on this point. First of all, what’s Chinese? I’m guessing you refer to Putonghua aka Mandarin, the erstwhile variant of Beijingnese prescribed for official use within the PRC by their political leadership.
And second, how “global” is it? It’s useful primarily in one contiguous area of the world. Even there a large chunk of people kind of learn it as a first semi-foreign language because they speak something different at home. Cantonese, Shanghainese, or a language that cannot be written in Chinese characters.
Which brings me to my third point: a language that requires study of a script this idiosyncratic will not rise to a global language. Vietnam has gotten rid of hanzi, Korean pretty much as well. Ironically, the north has already completely abandoned it. By comparison, the Latin alphabet was spread by cavalry and cannon boat into all parts of the world for centuries. It spread so far that it is now used to teach pinyin to PRC schoolchildren. And while it is not without its own problems, the simplicity and adaptability of this phonetic alphabet to any language makes it far more useful than Chinese characters. And I’m not shitting on the cultural value of them: that’s unimpeachable. It’s just too complicated.
The alphabet spread with English, Spanish, French, and Portuguese all over the world. I’m not saying that’s a good thing but it’s already happened. Mandarin cannot have a similar success today unless the PRC starts colonizing at gunpoint fast.
Most Chinese as a foreign language speakers outside the PRC learned it for economic reasons. Economic ties have become somewhat dicey. If anything I suspect interest in learning Mandarin to wane.
There is also the tonal aspect. Any atonal-native language learner is going to have a much harder time than trying to remember the non-sensical English orthography.
More people on this planet learn English as their first and possibly only foreign language - if they learn one at all. The forum you asked this question on is in English. The internet cements the use of the alphabet.
I’m in Japan where foreign language education is notoriously sub-par overall. English is the first foreign language. Some private high schools offer Mandarin as an optional, I haven’t seen anything substantial in state-run schools. At college level, most people chose between French and German as a second foreign language. Like we’re still in the Meiji Era. I’m a big proponent that they abandon this tradition in favor of Russian, Korean, and Mandarin. It always helps to learn the language of your neighbors. Language schools advertize k-pop-trendy Korean more.
You’re grilling OP on something they already said they have little experience with. OP is asking questions to learn, and the grilling is detrimental to that.
I’m criticizing the use of the phrase “new global language.” And I’ve laid out my reasons why I think that’s wrong. I didn’t think I was grilling OP, just the perception of Mandarin being the new global language. So I’m a little taken aback that you read it that way; that wasn’t my intention.
As OP, I have no problem with your critiques. And I wasn’t saying I think it will be like that at any point during OUR lifetimes. Like the post said, I was just curious because in my childhood (30 years ago), I knew more about the solar system than I did about China ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I mean, when you addressed what is frankly a minor, tangential part of the OP with an essay, it does come across as heavy-handed, even if that isn’t what you meant by it