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The comment is the second screenshot. I had to show it from the modlog since it was gone after having been deleted by the mods.
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That’s the comment though. “There are some folks from St. Petersburg who are about 20 years ahead of these guys.” is 100% of the comment. Are you maybe on mobile and it’s cropping it to show only the middle of the image or something?
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I don’t know why but I can’t get your screenshots to load. Not even on the web app.
PTB for sure, but I gotta say- when one lies down with dogs….
You’re just not allowed to disagree with them there. Even if you’re cordial about it. Respectful and rule abiding comments are removed daily from there. It’s in the modlogs. I honesty don’t know why anyone bothers with them.
It’s one thing if a rule can be cited as a reason for removal/ban, but they just slap “rule 1” on everything.
PTB. You highlighted immoral shit done by one of the two governments that the .ml admin team licks the boots of, then you get banned while they lie that you’re being a bigot (rule 1), since they have the same transparency as a chunk of charcoal and that makes them too dishonest to list “don’t criticise the RF or PCC here” as an actual rule.
While i’ve seen numerous well-argumented and thought-provoking posts disappear from ml communities over the last two years, almost everything that ends up in the YPTB community is some kind of bad faith trolling, flamebait and so on. The post above is good example; it might not be YDI but it’s clearly BPR. There’s definitely no valuable contribution here and if post like this got deleted from any other instance, it wouldn’t cause much drama.
some kind of bad faith trolling, flamebait
Absolutely not.
The point that I was making is that systematized fake participation in online forums has been developed and polished to an incredible grade of effectiveness in the modern era. I don’t think that’s as widely known as it should be, but among practitioners in the field it’s absolutely common knowledge and has been for a while, because of Russia primarily.
I do understand that some people have a strong negative reaction to hearing that. That’s not my problem and it doesn’t mean that me talking about that is “trolling.” I just thought it was kind of funny that, at least in the headline, these guys were saying they were testing whether it could be made effective when it is already extremely obvious to experts in the field that it’s extremely effective and these researchers have quite a bit of catching up to do. And, in fact, the voting of every single one of the lemmy.ml users except the mod who sanctioned it seemed to indicate it was taken in the same way it was intended: Relevant commentary wrapped up with a little bit of humor.
Again, I do understand that certain people in authority on Lemmy tend to throw massive hissy fits about anyone who comes in and frames things in a way they don’t want to hear. That doesn’t mean the hissy fit becomes my fault, or my problem, or that me posting it meant I was aiming for that to happen. I do get that it doesn’t take some crazy extrapolation to think the point of my post was “lol Russia sucks amirite,” but honestly, in this case, it wasn’t.
They definitely have a sense of humour 😂
Fortunately, bans are usually not applied cross-communities. At least… not yet.
I feel like you are vastly overestimating how much I care about being banned from this type of place.
If I go and start talking to the Young Republicans, and they tell me I have to adjust the things I’m saying to match what’s going to make them comfortable and then physically eject me when I don’t, as far as I’m concerned that means I was making good sense. If I stopped because I didn’t want them to kick me out, that would be a problem.
I feel like you are vastly overestimating how much I care about being banned from this type of place.
Eh? I didn’t suggest you care.
I was reacting purely to the “fortunately.” Basically saying, I am not bothered if they want to start to escalate the bans. I will whine about it here and then move on with whatever I was doing.
I said fortunately bans applied in one instance don’t apply in other instances. Although there are some instances applying pressure on others to ban users.
Hm… I do get what you’re saying, but as far as I can tell the pressure works the opposite of the way you’re saying. Like if they did succeed in pressuring someone else to ban me, that would just wind up hurting the reputation of the instance that did the ban.
Instances like Hexbear and lemmy.ml that try to enforce a pro-Russia viewpoint wind up as the pariahs that they deserve to be. lemmy.blahaj.zone is a little more complicated, since the crackdown they are trying to pressure people into adopting is actually a legitimately anti-bigotry crackdown, but even with them it seems like it is more common for it to be “yeah blahaj cut itself off from the raft idk” as opposed to “oh no we better ban anyone who says they like Dave Chappelle or else blahaj will cut us off from the raft.” I think in general Lemmy seems to be pretty anti censorship as a general rule, which is as it should be IMO.
