cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29037456
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So they’re saying they want us to die on the job. That might be okay for some but I still want to at least pretend to retire before I croak
Hey, knowing the means of production in and out will be pretty valuable once the working class also own it.
The reason Trumps idea appeals to people for those unaware is that free trade destroyed a lot of union jobs, which were outsourced to emerging markets. After the industrial revolution unions fought for worker rights and salaries, and they were then shipped away to places that didnt have those rights, and they want to see a reversal of this.
Not sure if its right or wrong, but you cant fault them for holding out hope, its actually a left wing ideal I would say, large government protectionism interfering in the free market. Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort, there are many factory jobs in the US already that people are happy to have; even ASML making advanced semiconductor fabs is a “factory job”.
The worst job I ever had had was right after I got out of the military and went home. I needed a job and a buddy of mine worked in a place that made custom logo hats and jackets for various businesses. His job was to ship the finished products out. The job I got was on the floor sewing the little cardboard backing that the hat bill is sewn onto. I did this for a summer in an unair-conditioned room full of mostly older Asian women that were quite demanding about quality control. The repetitiveness of it was truly maddening.
I have a better idea. I call it guillotine justice. Everyone finds the wealthiest 100 people in their county and introduces them to the guillotine of justice. The homes, land and wealth of the recently deceased wealthy bastards become communal property. Many of the rich bastards own hundreds of houses and thousands of acres of land. We don’t need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms. The rent would go down dramatically with all the free houses available and rich people will be selling or giving away their excess wealth to keep from being picked in the next round of guillotine justice.
We don’t need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms
We have to worry about farming though.
The prices of agriculture commodities are so low that things will be more expensive after a revolution. Think illigal immigrants picking fruits, they will receive fair wages, won’t they?
Why is your default mode of thinking of these farms that they should operate under capitalism and exploitation? Why guillotine the capitalists and take their golf courses and estates to make community farms if we’re just going to continue capitalism?
The opposite. I assume that the mode of operation will change and thus things will become much more expensive.
And you, your kids and your grandkids will all work in the factory for minimum wage at the same time! A real family affair, whether you’re an 80 year old or a 12 year old, there’s factory work there for you!
I guess, since they’re
careersjobs for life, they’re also saying that recessions like the one they’re triggering right now will never happen again, because layoffs aren’t going to be a thing. So that’s… um… an interesting empty promise, anyways.Wow the AI meme from earlier this week, with the humans inside and the robots painting and doing creative work, it became too real
Lol the factories have been neglected for so long they aren’t gonna be there.
These people live in the delusion of the 1950’s being a Golden Utopia of America. Minorities knew their place, gays stayed in Narnia, women kept their mouths shut and stayed in the kitchen, kids were mindless obedient extensions of their fathers, and everything was just… Perfect.
Except for the high income taxes. Fuck that.
You’re right about them wanting to go back to the 50s, but I’m not sure it isn’t the 1850s or even the 1750s…
“It’s the 50’s somewhere! Gimme a cold beer, bro!”
It’s been clear from the start that they only want to make things ‘great’ for greedy cunts.
Yep.
I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills, and they haven’t asked themselves the most basic question - if corporations have the opportunity to rebuild the manufacturing base in America, why would they recreate the model that sent manufacturing overseas in the first place? Wouldn’t they use this unique opportunity to create an entirely new model? And would that model benefit the workers, or the corporation?
The simple facts are, there will be two models in the new American manufacturing environment. The first will be factories that will rely heavily on automation/ robotics, and need very few humans. The second will be modeled after Asian sweatshops, with low pay, no benefits, forced overtime with no OT pay, child/teen labor, no health/safety/environmental regulations, etc.
The MAGA Nazis know this, but they are still selling the fantasy of high-paying factory jobs that even a stupid MAGA can do. I get that, they are disengenuous to the core, but why aren’t Dems or the media screaming about this, and asking MAGA Nazis in every interview?
but why aren’t Dems or the media screaming about this
Because the Dems and media are MAGA too. There is no left.
I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills
No, most have never worked an actual manufacturing, or trade job in their lives, and the ones who have want to distance themselves from that embarrassing “Peasant Work” episode at all costs.
Nothing you tell a MAGA, that doesn’t sound like you worship their dear leader, will sink into their thick skulls.
They could literally be chained to a sewing machine working the 95th hour that week, paid $1 per hour and they would still claim they were winning (or at least owning the libs).
Children make good factory slaves. Now I understand why they got rid of the department of education.
Brainwash them from childhood that it’s “Normal,” and most will never think it’s not.
The traditional education system was actually designed specifically to prepare children for factory work. Enforce strict schedules, you arrive when we tell you, you eat when we tell you, you pee when we tell you, you leave when we tell you. The bell is king, and determines your whole day. Deviation from the bell’s schedule is to be punished and ridiculed.
It sounds like hyperbole, but modern education is literally based on the schools that factory owners set up for their workers’ kids, to groom the kids to work in the factory when they were old enough.
The factory owners just copied that from the Prussian model that was meant to train children to be good soldiers. Not that that was any better…
He doesn’t mean after they graduate high school, he means as soon as they can walk.
They’re still so certain we’re having grandkids… Who’s gonna tell them?
It might not be you, but it will be children having children with abortion bans and lack of sex education.
I actually don’t want to work at a factory. I want robots to do that for me and I want the products to be cheap so I can buy cool stuff to do more interesting things.
Like I don’t want to weld parts and stuff, I want to make lasers from those parts.
I don’t want to melt glass. I want to use lenses to make images.
I don’t want to dig for shit. I want to use that stuff to make rocket fuel.
We don’t want factory jobs. We want technology jobs.
But someone, somewhere is doing the grunt work. We’re nowhere near replacing manual labor. Hell, a robot with 10x our current capabilities couldn’t do my dumbass job at Lowe’s, and it certainly couldn’t talk to customers with decades of DIY and plant experience.
And BTW, I’m with you on all the above. Bet we’d be tight.
these idiots have been so spoonfed that they’ve mentally swapped factory jobs and union jobs, and think it’s the factory bringing good conditions and satisfying work
Precisely.
