I keep saying this cause it’s a take a lot of people gloss over. I haven’t dated in a while because I’m too broke to add anything else to my budget, dive bars included. Dating takes time and money, and if I get more of either, I’m using it to better my situation before thinking about dating.

In a time where real wealth is dwindling for most young men, I can imagine I’m not alone on this.

Punk rock would never.

Wow i sifted through a lot to get to someone with this opinion.

I smoke often but totally agree with you. The research is only just beginning now that the ability to study marijuana use is becoming more and more practical.

they rubber stamped every shipment and quota request for the people making the drugs.

I don’t have trouble believing this could be the case, but can you link some evidence?

I’m a brokecel lmao.

That has to exist already. So after writing that last sentence I searched and it is indeed a part of the incel subculture. That was rough to look at though.

Lmao I had a hard time picturing an actual homophobe but that’s funny.

For the example to work, they’d have to be gay allies at the same time, and trying to imagine that is even funnier.

I agree, I think there’s more to the story.

As for the example, I agree that there are impoverished places where people get along fine in their socio-economic status, meaning wealth is not a necessary factor.

I think the key difference with what’s going on now in the western world is that young males are disproportionately being pushed to the bottom of the socio economic ladder with the cultural expectation that they have the same resource capacity as their older counter parts.

Another commenter noted the loss of third spaces and I’d add communities in general. People used to date within their communities more, I assume.

So I think it’s more to the story like you said. Probably some perfect storm, of which, the general loneliness in the world is but one expression of.

I identify as an incel. I don’t visit the incel web spaces though and I don’t blame women for it.

I’m an incel because I can’t afford to date. Like every week I’m barely able to get by living in poverty. Dating takes time and at least some money. If I got a little more of either, I’d have to use it to better my situation before dating.

I bring this point up because, as toxic as incel culture is, I rarely see it tied back to the shitty economy. Just people pointing fingers at each other as though the Male Loneliness phenomenon were entirely the result of people’s personalities.

Damn that’s a pretty logical process to explain the decay of Internet self help groups