Liberals would sooner imagine the end of existence, than the thousands of other alternatives and types of political action and organizing, other than voting for their genocidal parties.
Many imperialized peoples in the world rejected liberalism and its controlled opposition parties, and decided to build their own working class parties to oppose capitalist domination… and they freed themselves from imperialism and uplifted millions of people out of poverty in the process.
Despite being far poorer and less educated than imperial-core liberals, they are much more intelligent, and realize that step 1, is to form their own pro-worker / pro-peasant parties. They don’t eat the shit on a plate given to them like US liberals are happy to do.
I mean there is the difficult but not acquiescent solution, that coincidentally carries parallels to the real world, of unionizing your work place and using the power of collective bargaining to demand better conditions. This is hard work and takes time and effort, but instead of recognizing that and trying to help, people check out. And those pushing for it are called unrealistic tools of the bad manager and that we demand perfection, while every year the ‘lesser evil’ manager gets a bit more touchy with his subordinates.
Further in the real world analog of this, the ‘lesser evil’ manager is bombing children, and driving us towards climate catastrophe. Yes democratic politicians are better then republican ones, but that doesn’t negate the point of the meme. They do not give a fuck about you, and they will drive us off the climate cliff, they will bomb more children, they will give more tools to the police state, and they will hire more ICE agents. With such stakes we need to do the hard thing and demand better.
some of us had to work. not everyone has parents who can hold down jobs and bring in money. I worked at a grocery store cause it was easy to grab the perfectly good expired stuff being tossed.
You are literally the one in the right in this pic. Shaming people for wanting to improve the world rather than voting for your status quo genocidal party.
very funny meme to go with, considering that “choosing the slightly less evil option” is in fact not improving anything about society, but instead just watching society get worse, at a slower pace. you are very intelligent!!
“choosing the less evil option” and then continuing to protest, resist, and break shit will bring about change though. especially when the less evil option didn’t vow to bring in the national guard to crack down on pro Palestine protestors.
y’all are centrists masquerading as leftists, you care more about what you seem to be right and true than the consequences of it
I’ve never realized how young everyone on Lemmy must be until I came across this thread.
“Just get a different job.” and “Both parties are bad.” are exactly the useless nihilistic asshole attitudes I had about things when I was about half my current age.
lemmy actually tends to skew older than a lot of platforms (ive seen stats for this around just don’t have any on hand). the person I responded to above is actually one of the creators of lemmy. unfortunately, lemmy also skews towards chronically online and white, which means there’s a lot of those opinions floating around.
Yeah, probably an unfair take on my part to chalk it up to age instead of emotional maturity.
Nihilism is just so unproductive. I used to think that attitudes like that were such a smart and obvious response to the absurd state of the world but it’s just an excuse to not engage with reality or accept personal responsibility.
Please point out any evidence of nihilism displayed above. My feeling is certainly that you just have not a clue of what the word means and just use it as a default criticism. I’m sorry the rest of the world doesn’t kowtow to your far-right delusions.
Okay so let’s accept the premise of this post for a minute: “Both major political parties in the US are equally bad.”
What am I supposed to do now? What action can I take to facilitate change?
I’d argue that this is a perspective that simply isn’t helpful even if true. I think it’s an excuse to tune out instead of getting engaged. I think it’s an excuse to wish for a better future instead of putting in the real work it takes to make systemic changes that can actually improve people’s lives. It’s a perspective that encourages doing nothing because ‘nothing matters anyway’.
That makes absolutely no sense. First off, we should aim for the objective truth, not lying in order to argue for a group we disagree with. Secondly, it’s still unclear why exactly you would have an apathetic response. That’s illogical and seems like a reductive view of things that you yourself haven’t thought of very much.
Neither is also an option. You don’t need to put up with either manager.
great point I should have simply not worked and let my family starve. truly genius intellect
Liberals would sooner imagine the end of existence, than the thousands of other alternatives and types of political action and organizing, other than voting for their genocidal parties.
Many imperialized peoples in the world rejected liberalism and its controlled opposition parties, and decided to build their own working class parties to oppose capitalist domination… and they freed themselves from imperialism and uplifted millions of people out of poverty in the process.
Despite being far poorer and less educated than imperial-core liberals, they are much more intelligent, and realize that step 1, is to form their own pro-worker / pro-peasant parties. They don’t eat the shit on a plate given to them like US liberals are happy to do.
I mean there is the difficult but not acquiescent solution, that coincidentally carries parallels to the real world, of unionizing your work place and using the power of collective bargaining to demand better conditions. This is hard work and takes time and effort, but instead of recognizing that and trying to help, people check out. And those pushing for it are called unrealistic tools of the bad manager and that we demand perfection, while every year the ‘lesser evil’ manager gets a bit more touchy with his subordinates.
Further in the real world analog of this, the ‘lesser evil’ manager is bombing children, and driving us towards climate catastrophe. Yes democratic politicians are better then republican ones, but that doesn’t negate the point of the meme. They do not give a fuck about you, and they will drive us off the climate cliff, they will bomb more children, they will give more tools to the police state, and they will hire more ICE agents. With such stakes we need to do the hard thing and demand better.
You were 14. What family?
some of us had to work. not everyone has parents who can hold down jobs and bring in money. I worked at a grocery store cause it was easy to grab the perfectly good expired stuff being tossed.
spoken like a nazi camp guard.
You are literally the one in the right in this pic. Shaming people for wanting to improve the world rather than voting for your status quo genocidal party.
This meme is the literal antithesis of all of your comments, Mr. “lesser evil”
very funny meme to go with, considering that “choosing the slightly less evil option” is in fact not improving anything about society, but instead just watching society get worse, at a slower pace. you are very intelligent!!
“choosing the less evil option” and then continuing to protest, resist, and break shit will bring about change though. especially when the less evil option didn’t vow to bring in the national guard to crack down on pro Palestine protestors.
y’all are centrists masquerading as leftists, you care more about what you seem to be right and true than the consequences of it
And you are neoliberal cancer, which does nothing to help or improve society
SOcIaliStS aRe ACtUAllY coNsErVatIVes In dIsGUise
I’ve never realized how young everyone on Lemmy must be until I came across this thread.
“Just get a different job.” and “Both parties are bad.” are exactly the useless nihilistic asshole attitudes I had about things when I was about half my current age.
lemmy actually tends to skew older than a lot of platforms (ive seen stats for this around just don’t have any on hand). the person I responded to above is actually one of the creators of lemmy. unfortunately, lemmy also skews towards chronically online and white, which means there’s a lot of those opinions floating around.
Yeah, probably an unfair take on my part to chalk it up to age instead of emotional maturity.
Nihilism is just so unproductive. I used to think that attitudes like that were such a smart and obvious response to the absurd state of the world but it’s just an excuse to not engage with reality or accept personal responsibility.
Please point out any evidence of nihilism displayed above. My feeling is certainly that you just have not a clue of what the word means and just use it as a default criticism. I’m sorry the rest of the world doesn’t kowtow to your far-right delusions.
Okay so let’s accept the premise of this post for a minute: “Both major political parties in the US are equally bad.”
What am I supposed to do now? What action can I take to facilitate change?
I’d argue that this is a perspective that simply isn’t helpful even if true. I think it’s an excuse to tune out instead of getting engaged. I think it’s an excuse to wish for a better future instead of putting in the real work it takes to make systemic changes that can actually improve people’s lives. It’s a perspective that encourages doing nothing because ‘nothing matters anyway’.
That makes absolutely no sense. First off, we should aim for the objective truth, not lying in order to argue for a group we disagree with. Secondly, it’s still unclear why exactly you would have an apathetic response. That’s illogical and seems like a reductive view of things that you yourself haven’t thought of very much.